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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:30 PM
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Oh for chrissake that new seatbelt law for bicycles, motorcycles & boats is the dumbest idea ever
WTF is wrong with our lawmakers? First it's the taxpayer bailouts and now it's this new idiotic seatbelt law they're quietly sneaking through. I mean, how many jobs do they really think will be created because of this?

I'll be dammed if I'm gonna buckle up whenever I go for a bike ride or if I'm out fishing in my boat next summer. It's the stupidest thing I ever heard of.

Jesus H Christ what will the corporate greedbags think of next? :mad:
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:32 PM
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1. How can you have a seatbelt on a bike?
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:35 PM
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4. See your avatar?
Snowboards will be next. Wait and see :mad:
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:38 PM
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9. We are already strapped in
See my avatar
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:11 PM
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15. Not only strapped in, but strapped to.
My Burton has a lanyard that'll keep it within 6 feet of me as I tumble down the mountain.
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Fed_Up_Grammy Donating Member (923 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:33 PM
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2. They aren't even in most school busses. Go figure.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:35 PM
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3. Seatbelts in a boat? That's flat out dangerous.
You have to be able to move around on short notice. We use jacklines attached to our life jackets when it is rough and we need to leave the cockpit, but a seatbelt would be hazardous.

I don't understand why they don't have seatbelts on school buses, though. That seems really stupid.
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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:36 PM
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5. What? Where? n/t
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:37 PM
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7. Write your congressman & tell them NO to the new fascist seatbelt law for boats and bikes
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:06 PM
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33. There will be some very confused Congressmen if this catches on.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 09:49 AM
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55. No thanks, I am already on Senator Feinstein's crackpot list for being a gun owner
:nuke:
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:36 PM
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6. No way I want that thing strapped to me.
Talk about a good way to get hurt!!
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:38 PM
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8. Can you tell me wtf you are talking about?
Or at least what planet you arrived from today?
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:38 PM
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10. What will they think of next, mandatory helmets for line dancers?
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:49 PM
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11. Link? If not then what is the punch line? (nt)
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:52 PM
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12. We've been sitting on are hands yakking aobut cardboard cutouts
instead of paying attention at times like this when they're sneaking idiotic laws like this one through. It really burns me.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:10 PM
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14. Are they really advocating putting belts on bicycles? Or are you pulling legs?
Edited on Mon Dec-08-08 09:11 PM by w4rma
It's about the most ridiculous thing I've heard.

I do agree that the cardboard cutout 'controversy' is BS, however.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:12 PM
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17. Shoulder straps, too
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:33 PM
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40. I think cardboard cutouts should have mandatory seatbelts.
Obviously eventually some idiot will find a way to get into trouble with one. :rofl:
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:09 PM
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13. Did Cindy McCain steal all your pills again? n/t
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:12 PM
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16. Helmets in elevators.
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1620rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:18 PM
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19. This is an urban myth. eom
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:17 PM
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18. Sounds like someone needs to be wearing a helmet at all times n/t
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:35 PM
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20. You think that's bad?
I have a seatbelt on my toilet
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:51 PM
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24. !!
:rofl:
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:37 PM
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21. Hell, my chair here at my desk has a seat belt AND a shoulder harness.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:39 PM
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22. Mine does too, and I'm wearing a helmet AND a helmet helmet, which provides protection to my helmet.
And a nut cup, steel-toed boots, and a kevlar vest. I think I just threw my back out.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:50 PM
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23. People will just ignore it and it will become unenforceable
The cops don't have time to write up bike riders for not wearing seat belts.

If they want to accomplish something positive raise cell phone use while driving to an offense on the same level as DUI. Put people in jail for it.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:07 PM
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25. Maybe if you stopped taking the Lord's name in vain, you wouldn't have to wear a seatbelt...
.... on your bicycle.

I think we're looking at a definite cause and effect here. :)
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:17 PM
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26. I'll try, but the talk about this law being extended to canoes & johnboats by 2011 has me worried
If they extend it that far, I might slip and let a few choice cuss words out.

No way I'm buckling up in my canoe. No way.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:27 PM
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27. That's nuthin......
..... in Canada ... they make you seatbelt yourself.....




TO YOURSELF!!!!!!
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:18 PM
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37. I hate those laws. What if you're in a crash?
Great, now you're stuck in a deathtrap, with no way to extract yourself from yourself.
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shugah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:37 PM
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28. i disagree mtnsnake
i think mandatory safety belts for boats, motorcycles, and bicycles is a good idea.

i also advocate for safety belts on most playground equipment, on "scooters" (both manual and electric), on those flattened-out-escalator-moving-floor thingies in large airports, on bar stools - perhaps most particularly on bar stools - on bunk beds, and um, on couches in areas prone to earthquakes.

let's buckle-up for safety! :-)
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:46 PM
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30. Aha!
I'll bet you're the owner of a seatbelt factory just waiting to make all kinds of easy money off this new law, aren't you.

Okay, I can understand seatbelts on couches in earthquake prone zones, but I am not going to buckle up in my bunk bed. No way no how.

We'll just have to agree to disagreee on that one, shugah :)
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 10:26 AM
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63. Do you work for an Insurance company?
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:43 PM
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29. Who introduced the bill for this?
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:01 PM
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31. Seat belt on a motorcycle?
Not only no, but hell no. Seen too many wrecks where people survived because they got off the bike.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:05 PM
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32. This is a fantastic idea.
Edited on Mon Dec-08-08 11:06 PM by Occam Bandage
I'm tired of there being motorcyclists and boaters.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:08 PM
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35. I just hope Obama nips it in the bud
Are you going to buckle up on a bicycle? I'm not. What if you forget to buckle when you first take off? It's too hard buckling while riding a bike after you've gotten going. I can't do that no hands thing anymore.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:16 PM
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36. I'm fine, as long as he doesn't force rollerbladers to buckle up. Now that would just be silly.
Edited on Mon Dec-08-08 11:17 PM by Occam Bandage
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:07 PM
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34. Seatbelts on bikes and boats will hurt more people than save them
Anyone who has been on a bike can attest to how sometimes you have to maneuver in various ways to keep balance... try mountain biking on a trail going downhill with a friggin' seat belt on you. You'd crash.

The same goes for boating... especially sailing. You need to go from one side of the boat to the other in a flash under certain conditions... the same with motor boating. If you have to land at a pier, just whn is it legal to take off the seatbelt to be able to tie down the boat?

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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:27 PM
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38. I've ridden motorcycles and I'd...rather not be strapped to one tumbling...
over & over crashing back onto me like some medieval egg beater. The one time I did go down I was thrown clear of it. And that was fine by me. My husband was CHP, and I've seen the horrific pics. Even after all of that this kind of law-tinkering is wrong imo
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:29 PM
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39. I guess the bill was originally slated just for bicycles and boats until Lieberman stepped in
Word has it that he said he would only co-sponsor it if motorcycles were included. I think Joe is in the pockets of the seatbelt lobbyists.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:58 PM
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41. What the hell does Lieberman know about motorcycles? And you're prolly right...
Again, I've seen amazingly weird shit, lived through an auto accident with a drunk woman that ran a red light that fucked me up & coded me for nearly 3 and a half minutes and I was wearing a seat belt so there's that, but...if 'seatbelt lobbyists', and I believe it to be roughly so; can also be defined as people with hyper-concerns for little of what they understand physically beyond the loss of loved ones by means of i.e. drunk drivers (NO ONE is discounting such loses!!), the sliding of same off motorcycles under gas trucks to be flatten there (NO ONE is discounting such things!!), or assault rifles (NO ONE is advocating such things!!) then yes...'seatbelt lobbyists' will fit through that aperture,

I do I think for some it's a way of feeling good about an issue while *backing* into it without having to even understand it, and you're having mentioned Lieberman wweeeellllll...

For some reason that just pisses me off :rant:
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 12:49 AM
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42. that's ridiculous
seatbelts will never work on bikes. They need air bags.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 01:32 AM
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43. CALL CONGRESS RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!111
Edited on Tue Dec-09-08 01:36 AM by Hippo_Tron
I called to let them know that I am firmly against the mandatory installation of boats on every bicycle and helmets on every seatbelt.

Additionally I told them that I support cardboard's right not to be forcibly fondled.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 03:16 AM
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44. that's nothing the companion bill to have mandatory seat belts for sex is coming up next
talk about your slippery slope!!!!!!!
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 05:10 AM
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45. Is this for real?
I can't imagine anything more dangerous than having a motorcycle tumbling along with you and crashing into you over and over. Even a bicycle. I can envision a kid falling from his bike and ending up in an awkward position with bicycle firmly attached on top of him by a twisted and tight seat belt that would be difficult to release. That would surely be a stupid thing.
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tledford Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 05:32 AM
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46. I heard they're adding shoes to the list.
No, wait, I guess that would be the laces, right? Okay, then outlaw loafers and any other kind of slip-on shoes. :-)
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 10:22 AM
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61. I'll tell you what...
platform shoes during the 70s should have come with seatbelts and helmets


I don't know how we survived the falls off of those things.


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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 08:15 AM
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47. have you been sniffing the pipe dope?
Edited on Tue Dec-09-08 08:15 AM by dionysus
one toke over the line sweet mtnsnake one toke over the lineeeeeee

:hi:
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 08:16 AM
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48. Just like the ones for seatbelts in cars, anything they think will save AllState money on claims
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 08:19 AM
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49. What a silly post. Would you mind telling is just where such a law is being pushed?
State? Federal? Local?

Of course this is just an absurd post. When a motorcycle or bicycle is involved in an accident it falls down, generally on hard pavement. You would not strap a person to a heavy piece of metal insuring that they were firmly attached to it at the time when they would best be as far from it as possible. You do not want to be on the motorcycle when it falls on the ground, particularly you do not want to be constrained so that you can not get your leg out from the side that will be down.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 08:25 AM
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50. Hey! They gotta look busy. They don't want anyone to think that
they have time to worry about thinks like government spying and lies to get us into wars for Pete's sake. Or anyone else's sake you can think of.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 08:38 AM
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51. Time to move the computer out of mom's basement and up into
the fresh air.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 10:09 AM
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52. Stridently held opinion based on pseudoscience, but I'm right!!!
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 11:48 AM
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53. please provide a link. otherwise this is nothing but supposition. nt
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 09:48 AM
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54. So no link, huh? I thought as much. BS alert. nt
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 09:51 AM
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56. Ok here's a link
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 11:05 AM
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66. thought a much, I don't take kind to your type of baseless ranting
you are now blocked.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 09:51 AM
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57. Seat belts for hikers! Now!
Add skiers to that. Oh, and snowboarders.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 09:55 AM
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58. I guess it will be bar stools next?
Edited on Wed Dec-10-08 10:07 AM by Hubert Flottz
Then the crapper?

Edit..."Bush signs last minute signing statement for mandatory federal seatbelt law on waterboards and miscarriages.."
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crazylikafox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 10:29 AM
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64. Well, barstools make sense.
I've come close to falling off more than once.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 09:58 AM
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59. you must be lost...the lounge is over that way...
nt
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bikebloke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 10:03 AM
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60. They want to kill cyclists.
You can step out of a lot of spills or roll with the fall to soften the impact. But not when you're strapped to the bike. I don't even believe in toe clips. I bet some belt corporation bribed them - though you can bet they'll be manufactured in China.

They should mandate helmets for people taking showers, though. People slip and fall all the time.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 10:25 AM
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62. More sources of Revenue, that' s all this is about. Next, insurance for your bicycle.
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 10:33 AM
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65. I always found it odd that there aren't seatbelts in school buses
Wonder what the rationale is there? I guess not enough school kids have died on buses to get
anything enacted...

:shrug:
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 11:35 AM
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67. I predict this law will be selectively enforced
Just another excuse for cops to hassle people
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