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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 06:22 PM
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I think we should make signs and hang them in windows of vacant repoed homes that say
Edited on Mon Dec-08-08 06:27 PM by lonestarnot
SQUATTERS HERE and make our own bailout. :evilgrin:
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 06:26 PM
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1. That's what would happen after a revolution. They know it & that's
what all this bail out stuff is all about. They have to subdue the populace for as long as they can.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 06:28 PM
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2. I refuse to give up everything I have worked for my entire life for some fuckwad rich fucking theif!
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 06:33 PM
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4. It's sort of like the 401k money, what is it now, 60% gone?
Where did it go? Who has it? It went back to the rich, like everything else.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 06:40 PM
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6. They didn't get mine that way, so they are looking for it another way. Bastards!
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 07:27 PM
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26. Down the Rabbit Hole. With my pension.
My pension (US Airways Pilots Pension Fund) was terminated on 3/31/2003 by a Republican federal bankruptcy judge. The CEO who begged the judge to fuck the pilots was shown the bailout door several months later, with a $10+ million parachute.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 06:32 PM
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3. It might be time for all of us to stop paying our mortgages...
Think of all the money you'd save... hell, I pay $1800 a month... times six... DAMN! I'd have over $10k in six months!

If they are going to keep stealing money from us, I say we should stop the voluntary infusion!!!

Fuckers are on my last nerve!
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 06:34 PM
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5. Let's stop paying credit cards first... since a "credit rating" is now meaningless anyway...
And once the bloodsuckers are deprived of blood, they'll have to wooze into the daylight, and strike some kind of accord with us, the living...
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 06:44 PM
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8. I like that better than the mortgage idea. Same thing for health insurance.
Just drop all health insurance and wait for them to panic.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 06:42 PM
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7. I guess suggesting not paying taxes is not a good idea either.
:evilgrin:
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 06:46 PM
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10. Every now and then we get something of value from our taxes.
TV
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 06:48 PM
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11. Not lately.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:21 PM
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43. I know, and it is up to us to change that.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:23 PM
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44. Rachel just said tax dollars are paying for the fucking Rose Bowl.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:30 PM
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48. I bet it is a sponsorship deal from the Army. They do sponsor major
athletic events.
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wartrace Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 06:45 PM
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9. Who is stealing from you?
Seriously, did you agree to the terms of the loan? In what way are people stealing from you? I just want to understand the logic.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 06:49 PM
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13. You're getting personal.
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wartrace Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 07:10 PM
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22. No I'm not.
I am trying to understand why you feel that "they" are stealing from you.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 07:11 PM
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23. I'm not going to explain anything personal here. LOL
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 06:56 PM
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17. WTF are we talking about? Jesus Christ on a fucking cracker!
Wake the fuck up! They are stealing our money in this so-called bail out! Good God... that this needs explained is a major pain in the ass! Pay attention!
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 07:43 PM
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33. The US govt is on track to spend about 7 trillion dollars on bailouts..
For the financial industry.

That works out to about $25,000 for every man, woman and child in the country.

There is your theft, $100,000 for a family of four..
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wartrace Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:07 PM
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40. There you go.
Rather than forgiving mortgages a check should have been mailed to every citizen. I don't see those who are deep in debt more worthy than those who are not.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:14 PM
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42. I never claimed they were..
You asked where the theft was and I just provided the answer you wished for.

And I agree that a check to citizens would have been preferable, but that would be socialism, eh?

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wartrace Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:24 PM
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45. I asked "who is stealing from YOU"
Edited on Mon Dec-08-08 08:25 PM by wartrace
I realize the government & banks have conspired to steal from "US" the taxpayer. I don't understand how an individual not paying his or her mortgage is going to compensate for that theft. I believe all it will do is force a foreclosure.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:21 PM
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53. I'm a taxpayer, so they are stealing from me..
If enough people simply stop paying their mortgage a lot of people think it may force the government to do something more directly about the ridiculous position we now find ourselves in, thanks largely to the government and the financial industry.

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wartrace Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:33 PM
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54. If enough stop paying the banks will get more money.
If non payment of mortgages got us into this mess it can get us out?
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:47 PM
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57. There isn't that much more money to give...
Thankfully..

Chemotherapy is poison which (hopefully) kills your cancer faster than it kills you, normally you wouldn't give poison to a sick person but sometimes that is what does the trick.

I'm not sure I agree with this particular tactic but nothing else seems to be working, somehow we need to wake up our so called leaders, this might just do it. I'm kind of thinking of it as a sort of societal chemotherapy.



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wartrace Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:04 PM
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58. I disagree.
I believe that our government is already well aware of what we are facing. Unfortunately they don't seem to know what to do about it.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:20 PM
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59. There is a big differnce between intellectually understanding something..
And getting it emotionally.

None of the people making decisions for us in government are in danger of losing their jobs/homes, etc so they have little emotional connection to the problems a lot of us are facing.

We have to make them understand emotionally what we are going through, right now they're just playing the usual game on behalf of the big wheels, all you have to do is look at who is getting the really big bucks to see that.

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wartrace Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:27 PM
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60. They will never understand it emotionally.
How will they feel it emotionally? It isn't their money they are throwing around. Unless they are up for reelection they are in no danger of losing any income. They will always be out of touch. "Getting their attention" by defaulting on loans is not as effective as "getting their attention" through campaign donations.

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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:39 PM
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61. When the big wheels start screaming loudly enough, the pols will get it..
Like I said, I don't necessarily agree with this but we are to the point where I'm not sure what else to do.

Campaign donations from "the little people" mean nothing to politicians, there is a very small chance that will change anything. The only people the great majority of pols pay attention to are big wheels of one sort or another, scare the crap out of the big wheels (and I'm talking far worse than what has been done so far) and they will influence the pols for us, I honestly don't think anything else is going to do it.

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wartrace Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 06:49 PM
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12. Lets just stop paying for EVERYTHING!
Walk right by the cashier at your local supermarket! To heck with the electric bill! That dang vet isn't going to get paid for the dogs shots! This could get "fun" real quick!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 06:50 PM
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15. Guess you have a job egh?
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 06:58 PM
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18. Uh... I think it makes more sense to balance out the money they are stealing from us...
Credit and mortgages... we're bailing them out with our money, and our children's money, and our grand-children's money... it is wrong for them to want more money (mortgage payments) on top of that.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 07:06 PM
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21. I think they should use time management within their effort for citizenry.
Put mortgages in abeyance until enough jobs have been created for unemployment reduction to 4%.
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wartrace Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 07:28 PM
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27. So only people with mortgages should benefit?
Thank you from the poor who can't buy a home & the retired people who worked their whole lives to pay off their tiny little houses. Despite paying taxes and NOT being able to write off interest we get nothing.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 07:29 PM
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28. Are you just stupid or what? Home is where one lives, rented, mortgages, pitched or whatthefuckever
Edited on Mon Dec-08-08 07:30 PM by lonestarnot
:eyes:
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wartrace Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 07:39 PM
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30. Yes, I am ignorant.
I am wondering why you should be able to stop paying your mortgage in order to "get even" with the "thieves" who loaned you the money you requested to buy your home? It seems as if you feel that the taxpayers money used to bail out the banks should cover your mortgage? What about those of us who will not have debt forgiven?

I think it's a "swell" idea that you stop paying your mortgage. I wonder what they would do?
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 07:41 PM
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32. WTF do you think their reasoning is for the bail fucking out?
Get a grip... and think before posting.
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wartrace Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:01 PM
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39. You are hilarious.
You telling ME to get a grip!

I suggest you DO stop paying your mortgage, great idea! That will teach them.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:26 PM
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46. I suggest you wise up.
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wartrace Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:40 PM
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49. I guess when you get to be my age you start thinking realistically.
Edited on Mon Dec-08-08 08:41 PM by wartrace
Realistically you will lose your house if you stop paying your mortgage. Realistically you will be thrown out of a property if you start squatting in it.

I believe you need a few more years of the real world before you start offering advice to people scooter.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:12 PM
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51. Is that so you old fart? A lesson on life is that what you're touting? Scooter, that's your pal's
name isn't it?
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wartrace Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:16 PM
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52. I thought we were at that point in our relationship.....
I believe you advised me to "wise up". I advised you in a "nice" way to grow up. Now I am advising you in a not so nice way. I am amused though.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 07:53 PM
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35. OMG!
:eyes:
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DoctorMyEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:07 PM
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41. I didn't get it either
Not paying rent lowers your landlords mortgage? :shrug:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:28 PM
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47. And that's all you'll get too, nutt'n a big fat nutt'n, but you'll pay for that too with interest.
:rofl:
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wartrace Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:55 PM
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50. I regret responding in this thread.........
I don't understand the concept yet. I have always known landlords to squeeze every penny he/she can out of a property regardless of the fixed expenses. A paid for duplex is going to rent for the SAME rent as a leveraged duplex will. The only variable in the profit calculation will be the landlords fixed costs. No renter will see any reduction in rent if suddenly the owner no longer has to pay a mortgage.

I am hoping someone will explain it to me politely why it is a great idea to stop meeting our financial obligations.

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DoctorMyEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:39 PM
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55. It's not making any sense to me either
I just don't get this thread at all.
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wartrace Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:46 PM
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56. I am enjoying the different perspective though.
It is an interesting question. What happens if people just stop making debt payments? I believe it would throw us into a depression that would last for decades. There would be NO lending of any type in our economy, it would revert to a cash only society. I don't see this as a "good" thing. What do I know though? :shrug:
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 07:40 PM
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31. And if you're renting...
Your landlord is probably paying a mortgage... and when her/his monthly mortgage payment is lower, she/he doesn't have to charge the renter so much.

Some people have a hair-trigger outrage button, I swear to GAWD!

Glad I'm not the only one who did the big "HUH?" with that post... holy cowbell!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 07:54 PM
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36. More cowbell!
:applause:
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 07:58 PM
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38. Yeah!!!
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 07:37 PM
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29. You should really think things through before you hit the outrage button
People need to live in homes, apartments, condos, etc. Some people own them, some people rent them. If the owners don't have to pay extra body parts for the mortgage, they don't have to charge tenants they rent to so much either.

Jesus... a little thought would have saved me having to spell this whole thing out for you.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 06:49 PM
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14. What does history say about how squatters rights were handled by
the law a century ago?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 06:51 PM
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16. Lemme see if I recall correctly, after a certain period of time squatting w/o a challenge you gained
squatters' rights?
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 06:59 PM
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19. There's a McMansion down the street...
That has a "bank owned" for sale sign in the front yard... I might have to go piss on that one for my own!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 07:04 PM
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20. ROFLMAO!
I don't know if DNA qualifies within the definition of squatter. :rofl:
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 07:25 PM
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24. I will squat to pee!
How's that?

:rofl:

Hey, that's how my dog claims territory! :)
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 07:26 PM
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25. ROFLMAO!
If I were the sheriff, I'd back off! :rofl:
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 07:46 PM
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34. I'd say 80% of the young people my daughter knows have been squatting for some time...
They hop trains, eat out of dumpsters and squat together
in groups for safety.

And none of them can find a job and have basically given up trying.
Sad fact is, they are not expecting more from the world and
are probably facing reality better than most of us.

BHN
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 07:57 PM
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37. We are becoming the country of vagrancy and panhandlers w/o expectations. I'm not there yet. I
still have expectations! I haven't given up on America yet. We can do better, hopefully after Jan. 20.
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