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Fading Captain Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:34 PM
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The way some DUers talk about union labor
is remarkably similar to the way many Republicans talk about blacks.

They rarely come out and say what they really mean. But all the code words are there.

It's disgusting, watching this party turn its back on labor.

The Subaru-driving, Starbucks-sipping Democrat is an abomination.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:41 PM
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1. You might be casting too broadly ...
I drive a Toyota Camry (1990 bought used), I do like Starbucks Dark Roast coffees, and I belonged to a Union for 24 years ... I utterly support unions ...

You need to focus on those who actually dislike unions, code words or not, and perhaps stay away from popular references like Starbucks and Subarus ...
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ogneopasno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:41 PM
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2. Careful. You'll get all the people swarming in here talking about how the Ford they bought
back in 1978 was a piece of shit and they'll NEVER. BUY. AMERICAN. AGAIN.

I know what you're saying. And I agree. But a lot of people don't, and it makes me so angry when labor is taken for granted.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 10:16 PM
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28. Toyota is GOD, I am environmentally correct because I OWN A PRIUS
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

DU, where peak Starbucks means "do you want a croissant with that?"
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ogneopasno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 10:20 PM
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30. Exactly.
IME, self-described progressives seem to think of American labor dead last.

Oh wait, we've had this agreement before... ;)
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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:43 PM
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3. I used to think that DUers were more informed than our counterparts on the whole
But I was wrong. Democrats do not have a monopoly on intelligence, ignorance is everywhere. Usually our ignorance is less destructive and bigoted, but as the case of anti-labor is concerned, they are just as retarded. People would do well to remember "believe none of what you hear and only have of what you see," no matter where they are getting their information.
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:43 PM
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4. It makes me sick to see fellow Dems being hard asses on the "Big 3" from
Detroit. People like Schumer.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:44 PM
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5. What does Starbucks have to do with labor?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:45 PM
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:49 PM
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11. What a broad brush about crap
Notice the real morons come and congratulate this thread
The ones that aren't pro labor
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:52 PM
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 10:19 PM
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29. Ahem
(taptaptaptaptap)
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 10:39 PM
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35. You have supported the corporate side of GM for years
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 10:51 PM
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36. They provide my livelihood, why shouldn't I??????
What should I do, grow corn for the Hybrids? Oh wait, the ethanol industry is in a tailspin, it costs MORE to make a gallon of ethanol than to buy a gallon of gas.


I'll go pump gas now.
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ogneopasno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 10:21 PM
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32. Wait, you talking about me?
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:49 PM
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10. And you're a union member now?
How long have you been a union member? When you vote, do you vote the slate your Central Labor Council endorsed? Do you vote labor no matter what?

You can call yourself a real union member if you vote the labor endorsement 100% of the time.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:51 PM
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13. You work for the white collar
and have stated many times where you make your money
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:55 PM
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21. My money came from a damn good union job
and good investments. I have the union to thank for every single thing I have, from my health to my home to my money.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:55 PM
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19. I was a union member off and on since 73
I was a labor organizer in Florida and Hawaii

You, however ......
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 10:20 PM
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31. You forgot the Birkenstock (nt)
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:46 PM
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8. i get what you're talking about -- critisizing labour
for having fought for healthcare, a good wage for hard work, etc.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:47 PM
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9. Labor has never been in high favor at DU
Perfect example is Joe Lieberman. Lieberman is as reliable a vote for labor as Ted Kennedy. That doesn't matter here. Lieberman is a pariah here. I've rebutted anti-Lieberman posts here with facts about his labor record as well as excellent record on social issues but people here really don't give a shit. Frankly, it's real clear that the most vocal ones have never worked a day in their life on a factory floor, in a call center, climbing a pole or any other real manual labor.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:57 PM
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22. Actually I have done all of those things and I still despise Lieberman.
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 09:58 PM by Alexander
I was even a union member, too.

United Food and Commercial Worker's Union Local 919.

I worked on factory floors, in call centers, and did plenty of manual labor in my day.

I also drive a Japanese car and sometimes drink coffee, even Starbucks.

This OP is idiotic and anyone who agrees with it exhibits some shockingly one-dimensional thinking.

The reason I despise Lieberman so much is because he used to be my Senator.

He has thoroughly abandoned his constituents and doesn't even really live in Connecticut any more.

I wouldn't expect you to care about facts, though.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:50 PM
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12. oh hogwash!
The way some union supporters talk is remarkably similar to the way many Republicans talk about blacks.

They rarely come out and say what they really mean. But all the code words are there.


It's disgusting, watching this group turn it's back on consumers while pushing a bailout for companies that either KILLED alternative fueled cars or just flat-out refuse to make anything other than huge gas hogs.

The abomination is just how much CRAP is being slung at people who want ALTERNATIVES by the dues-paying, STILL WORKING union bigmouths.

Works both ways toots.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:53 PM
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17. So you're anti-labor too, huh?
I rest my case. Typical of DU.

The far left has always been so very envious of labor. Labor will virtually run the Department of Labor under Obama. The far left will still whine and complain.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:55 PM
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20. See he is a Republican
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 10:07 PM
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25. when it is non union alternatives, you betcha
thank heaven for my Union
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:51 PM
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14. You sound like a Republican, categorizing people by what they drink or drive.
Fucking stupid.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:54 PM
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18. Yeah, funny how supposed "Democrats" jump onto the "latte-sipping" bandwagon.
Almost as if they aren't what they say they are.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:59 PM
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23. That's a key word Rush uses
Total right wing crap
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 10:12 PM
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27. Yep, and I knew the OP was crap as soon as I saw that broad brush.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:39 PM
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42. Yes, *almost* as if seeking to provoke division. NT
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:52 PM
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16. One wonders where they came from.
Me, I'm a proud granddaughter of the ILGWU.
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3.141592653 Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 10:05 PM
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24. Whats a blacks?
Do you mean African Americans?

Subaru is one of the most environmentally friendly car manufacturers in world.

Starbucks is not a company without controversy but they are one of the biggest employers in the world and provide jobs with pretty good pay for unskilled workers. I personally worked at two Starbucks stores during college and had a very good experience, flexible hours and got to drink lots of delicious coffee.

I think I understand your message but it's so garbled in goop it's hard to take it seriously.
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:48 PM
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43. So is walmart, what's the point?I
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 10:09 PM
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26. It's odd that management is now labor's best friend
and it's Democrats that are spoiling the party. Not the overpaid executives who put the Big Three where they are today.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 10:26 PM
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33. whoa there. We are a union family (teachers) and we drive our subaru to starbucks quite a bit.
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 10:27 PM by ourbluenation
and my husband and I have voted for democrats since the 70's.
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Titus Andronicus Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 10:36 PM
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34. Subaru? I thought Volvo was the brand of choice.
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DIKB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:02 PM
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37. Union Here
I proudly support them, and try and convince all my co-workers the benefit of joining. Anyone who doesn't support unions is basically saying we can trust the companies and the free-market to look out for the workers' best interests.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:21 PM
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:22 PM
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39. Gee, "Starbucks-sipping"....WHO sounds like a Republican?
You.

Also and not incidentally, pro-labor here.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:34 PM
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40. Thanks for voicing exactly how I feel about the attitude against the working class here.
:puke:
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:37 PM
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41. if you drive your chevy to Starbucks
everyone just laughs at you

:eyes:
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:58 PM
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44. Subaru-driving, Starbucks-sipping Democrat?
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 12:02 AM by Juche
I consider myself a strong progressive who fully supports EFCA, but fundamentally if you want to get mad at someone, get mad at the Reagan democrats for the damage they have done to the union movement. They are the ones who voted for Reagan and Bush II because they 'wanted to have a beer with them' even though they gutted the union movement and destroyed their standard of living.

They are also the ones who use terms like 'subaru driving, starbucks sipping' to denote a cultural divide between themselves and the phony americans, a divide that republicans are very good at exploiting. I support unions, but to hear union members who are or may be Reagan democrats blame progressives for their ills is insulting as hell.

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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:38 AM
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45. Locking.
As presented, flame bait.

Thanks for your consideration.
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