The way some DUers talk about union labor

[Fading Captain]

is remarkably similar to the way many Republicans talk about blacks.

They rarely come out and say what they really mean. But all the code words are there.

It's disgusting, watching this party turn its back on labor.

The Subaru-driving, Starbucks-sipping Democrat is an abomination.

[Trajan]

1. You might be casting too broadly ...

I drive a Toyota Camry (1990 bought used), I do like Starbucks Dark Roast coffees, and I belonged to a Union for 24 years ... I utterly support unions ...

You need to focus on those who actually dislike unions, code words or not, and perhaps stay away from popular references like Starbucks and Subarus ...

[ogneopasno]

2. Careful. You'll get all the people swarming in here talking about how the Ford they bought

back in 1978 was a piece of shit and they'll NEVER. BUY. AMERICAN. AGAIN.

I know what you're saying. And I agree. But a lot of people don't, and it makes me so angry when labor is taken for granted.

[DainBramaged]

28. Toyota is GOD, I am environmentally correct because I OWN A PRIUS

DU, where peak Starbucks means "do you want a croissant with that?"

[ogneopasno]

30. Exactly.

IME, self-described progressives seem to think of American labor dead last.

Oh wait, we've had this agreement before...

[Idealism]

3. I used to think that DUers were more informed than our counterparts on the whole

But I was wrong. Democrats do not have a monopoly on intelligence, ignorance is everywhere. Usually our ignorance is less destructive and bigoted, but as the case of anti-labor is concerned, they are just as retarded. People would do well to remember "believe none of what you hear and only have of what you see," no matter where they are getting their information.

[Peregrine Took]

4. It makes me sick to see fellow Dems being hard asses on the "Big 3" from

Detroit. People like Schumer.

[RB TexLa]

5. What does Starbucks have to do with labor?

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[Ichingcarpenter]

11. What a broad brush about crap

Notice the real morons come and congratulate this thread
The ones that aren't pro labor

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[DainBramaged]

29. Ahem

(taptaptaptaptap)

[Ichingcarpenter]

35. You have supported the corporate side of GM for years

[DainBramaged]

36. They provide my livelihood, why shouldn't I??????

What should I do, grow corn for the Hybrids? Oh wait, the ethanol industry is in a tailspin, it costs MORE to make a gallon of ethanol than to buy a gallon of gas.


I'll go pump gas now.

[ogneopasno]

32. Wait, you talking about me?

[Gman]

10. And you're a union member now?

How long have you been a union member? When you vote, do you vote the slate your Central Labor Council endorsed? Do you vote labor no matter what?

You can call yourself a real union member if you vote the labor endorsement 100% of the time.

[Ichingcarpenter]

13. You work for the white collar

and have stated many times where you make your money

[Gman]

21. My money came from a damn good union job

and good investments. I have the union to thank for every single thing I have, from my health to my home to my money.

[Ichingcarpenter]

19. I was a union member off and on since 73

I was a labor organizer in Florida and Hawaii

You, however ......

[question everything]

31. You forgot the Birkenstock (nt)

[xchrom]

8. i get what you're talking about -- critisizing labour

for having fought for healthcare, a good wage for hard work, etc.

[Gman]

9. Labor has never been in high favor at DU

Perfect example is Joe Lieberman. Lieberman is as reliable a vote for labor as Ted Kennedy. That doesn't matter here. Lieberman is a pariah here. I've rebutted anti-Lieberman posts here with facts about his labor record as well as excellent record on social issues but people here really don't give a shit. Frankly, it's real clear that the most vocal ones have never worked a day in their life on a factory floor, in a call center, climbing a pole or any other real manual labor.

[Alexander]

22. Actually I have done all of those things and I still despise Lieberman.

I was even a union member, too.

United Food and Commercial Worker's Union Local 919.

I worked on factory floors, in call centers, and did plenty of manual labor in my day.

I also drive a Japanese car and sometimes drink coffee, even Starbucks.

This OP is idiotic and anyone who agrees with it exhibits some shockingly one-dimensional thinking.

The reason I despise Lieberman so much is because he used to be my Senator.

He has thoroughly abandoned his constituents and doesn't even really live in Connecticut any more.

I wouldn't expect you to care about facts, though.

[Donnachaidh]

12. oh hogwash!

The way some union supporters talk is remarkably similar to the way many Republicans talk about blacks.

They rarely come out and say what they really mean. But all the code words are there.


It's disgusting, watching this group turn it's back on consumers while pushing a bailout for companies that either KILLED alternative fueled cars or just flat-out refuse to make anything other than huge gas hogs.

The abomination is just how much CRAP is being slung at people who want ALTERNATIVES by the dues-paying, STILL WORKING union bigmouths.

Works both ways toots.

[Gman]

17. So you're anti-labor too, huh?

I rest my case. Typical of DU.

The far left has always been so very envious of labor. Labor will virtually run the Department of Labor under Obama. The far left will still whine and complain.

[Ichingcarpenter]

20. See he is a Republican

[mitchtv]

25. when it is non union alternatives, you betcha

thank heaven for my Union

[mondo joe]

14. You sound like a Republican, categorizing people by what they drink or drive.

Fucking stupid.

[Alexander]

18. Yeah, funny how supposed "Democrats" jump onto the "latte-sipping" bandwagon.

Almost as if they aren't what they say they are.

[Ichingcarpenter]

23. That's a key word Rush uses

Total right wing crap

[Alexander]

27. Yep, and I knew the OP was crap as soon as I saw that broad brush.

[mondo joe]

42. Yes, *almost* as if seeking to provoke division. NT

[aquart]

16. One wonders where they came from.

Me, I'm a proud granddaughter of the ILGWU.

[3.141592653]

24. Whats a blacks?

Do you mean African Americans?

Subaru is one of the most environmentally friendly car manufacturers in world.

Starbucks is not a company without controversy but they are one of the biggest employers in the world and provide jobs with pretty good pay for unskilled workers. I personally worked at two Starbucks stores during college and had a very good experience, flexible hours and got to drink lots of delicious coffee.

I think I understand your message but it's so garbled in goop it's hard to take it seriously.

[madmom]

43. So is walmart, what's the point?I

[wtmusic]

26. It's odd that management is now labor's best friend

and it's Democrats that are spoiling the party. Not the overpaid executives who put the Big Three where they are today.

[ourbluenation]

33. whoa there. We are a union family (teachers) and we drive our subaru to starbucks quite a bit.

and my husband and I have voted for democrats since the 70's.

[Titus Andronicus]

34. Subaru? I thought Volvo was the brand of choice.

[DIKB]

37. Union Here

I proudly support them, and try and convince all my co-workers the benefit of joining. Anyone who doesn't support unions is basically saying we can trust the companies and the free-market to look out for the workers' best interests.

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[Bluebear]

39. Gee, "Starbucks-sipping"....WHO sounds like a Republican?

You.

Also and not incidentally, pro-labor here.

[earth mom]

40. Thanks for voicing exactly how I feel about the attitude against the working class here.

[leftofthedial]

41. if you drive your chevy to Starbucks

everyone just laughs at you

[Juche]

44. Subaru-driving, Starbucks-sipping Democrat?

I consider myself a strong progressive who fully supports EFCA, but fundamentally if you want to get mad at someone, get mad at the Reagan democrats for the damage they have done to the union movement. They are the ones who voted for Reagan and Bush II because they 'wanted to have a beer with them' even though they gutted the union movement and destroyed their standard of living.

They are also the ones who use terms like 'subaru driving, starbucks sipping' to denote a cultural divide between themselves and the phony americans, a divide that republicans are very good at exploiting. I support unions, but to hear union members who are or may be Reagan democrats blame progressives for their ills is insulting as hell.

[pinto]

45. Locking.

As presented, flame bait.

Thanks for your consideration.