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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:12 PM
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Sweet Jesus! Tahnk You Barney Frank!!!!!!! Ties the car crisis to ..... HEALTH CARE!!!!!!!!!
On Rachel Maddow's show, right now.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:15 PM
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1. It's true. Everyone talking about this "auto bailout" needs to do the same thing! n/t
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:15 PM
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2. Says how the foreign makers do not pay nearly the health care costs of the Big 3
Sez congress will do something about health care.

Not specific ..... but ..... it is now in the public square to be discussed
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:20 PM
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6. I liked when he called it a "rational" approach to health care
And how it will be accomplished in the next year or two when we "have a good president". :rofl:

Love. It.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:25 PM
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13. The foreign auto makersdon't have 30+yrs of retiree healthcare to pay for. nt
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:42 PM
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25. Neither does GM. As of the 2007 contract:
"GM would put $24.1 billion into the VEBA in January 2008, although the fund won't start covering retiree health care until two years later. GM will make up to 20 additional $165 million payments to the VEBA anytime the fund's level is insufficient to provide benefits for at least 25 years.

GM would pay cash interest on a $4.37 billion convertible note for the benefit of the VEBA, and the fund's trustees would be able to convert that note to GM stock. GM's active workers also would be required to contribute 4 cents per quarter for the VEBA."

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2007-09-25-uaw-wed_...

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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:17 PM
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3. Barney must read DU
I brought that up yesterday. :)
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marketcrazy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:20 PM
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7. I dont know if i am happy
or pissed! I believe we will ultimately end up pouring several hundred billion into these guys and one or more will STILL fail!
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:18 PM
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4. Nice to watch a rational interview where the interviewee gets to speak
Can you imagine Frank being interviewed on Fox? Nevermind.

I was thrilled to hear the health care piece of this. And with Ted Kennedy leaving one of his committees to concentrate all his energy on health care, I have growing hope tonight that it will be accomplished.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:20 PM
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8. Oh eleny .... so do I
I'm actually emotional about this.

I am really hopeful.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:19 PM
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5. Make American business competitive again.
Take healthcare off the back of business. Healthcare is a national security issue, not a business one.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:22 PM
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9. National security? How?
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:23 PM
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11. Security is njot just about isses that can be solved by shooting or blowing shit up
Imagine yourself hungry and homeless and in ill health. How secure would you feel.

That, too, is national security.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:26 PM
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15. Not by any definition anyone thinks of when they read the words "national security" together.
I guarantee you when Barack Obama names his secretary of Health and Human services he is not going to say they are part of his national security team.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:31 PM
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21. Well when someone dumps small pox on your ass
maybe you'll wake the hell up.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:51 PM
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27. Anyone?

Pick up a book on military history written by anyone other than someone who sees military matters in terms of a glorified romantic lens, and you're going to find significant bits on national health issues.

In American history alone, this goes back to the Revolution. A significant part of the Civil War, where more people died from disease than in battle, involved health care and improving it. Read up on the history of the influenza epidemic of the nineteen-teens and its association with and effect on WWI. A significant problem during WWII involved the health of potential soldiers. I could go on ...

Anyone who understands national security clearly understands the relationship between national health and national security. The problem we have had at least since the 80s is that our country has by and large been managed by people who have nothing on their shelves but military histories written in the tradition of Sir Walter Scott.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:43 PM
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29. Then he's wrong.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:27 PM
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16. You know, Eleanor R got slammed for saying that in '41, but 40% of draftees...
were rejected in the first years of the war for physical reasons - bad health as a result of malnutrition, etc.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:30 PM
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20. And why we have school lunch programs
which we also have forgotten to mention over the years.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:32 PM
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22. One of the smartest things that has happened EVER. nt
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:48 PM
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31. Or picture an army of sick men and women.
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 09:50 PM by aquart
How about having to eliminate all 18 year olds who had rickets as children? Or polio? Or lost their kidneys to melamine poisoning?

On edit: There are solid national security reasons for giving healthcare to children before adults. Which, quelle surprise! is what is being proposed.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:25 PM
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14. Agreed. It kills labor mobility and discourages people from striking out on their own. nt
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:42 PM
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28. And it murders innovation.
Because clever startups can't afford the healthcare costs so can't lure the best people.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:28 PM
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18. Take the insurance companies out of it and that will do away with most of the present cost
We need universal health care not health insurance. I use the VA for my health care and I believe we need to model a health care system for everyone on that.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:33 PM
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23. Unfortunately, the health ins. companies have a world of data on health, especially for women...
as there are not nearly as many medical studies done on women and there is no VA-style population comparable for women.
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 05:39 PM
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36. model after VA system?
you're joshing right? Don't know any vet happy with VA care!
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 11:27 AM
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35. too late
it is an Industry now and without a hell of a lot of political will and the rejection of the Health Industry lobby, which is substantial, not a whole lot will change. I have not seen great political will for anyone except corporations from both democrats and republicans. Sorry to be so cynical. :(
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:22 PM
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10. I'm having a hard time here
watching both Feingold on Bill Moyers and Barney Frank on Rachel. Two great discussions.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:24 PM
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12. One word for you ......
TiVo

:hi:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:38 PM
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24. I believe Maddow is repeated sometime later tonight.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:27 PM
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17. Excellent! nt
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:28 PM
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19. I want to have his baby for saying this. Oh, maybe he...oh, never mind. nt
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:46 PM
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26. National Health Care would fee up so much money.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:43 PM
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30. He's my rep!
:loveya: Barney!!

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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:29 AM
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32. Tie the fucking BANKS to health care
We gave more money to Goldman Sachs than twenty GMs.
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trashcanistanista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 05:12 AM
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33. I am watching the rerun on the left coast. I just
about fell off the couuch! He even reprimanded them and reminded everyone that they did not support the Clinton Admin in 1993 on healthcare! The man holds grudges!
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Buddyblazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 11:19 AM
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34. It's a big duh moment...
It has seemed pretty obvious to me that health care is draining US businesses. In fact, I've literally been using it in my arguments with my neo-con father for years.

I also tell everybody I know...and have for years, "The health care, insurance, and big pharma industries are going to be the downfall of this country.".

People used to look at me sideways when I said that. Now I mostly get, "You know...I never thought about it...but that makes sense.".
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