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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 01:57 PM
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Are you as eager to see Robert Blake behind bars?
Robert Blake, Phil Spechter, that Petersen guy (cop with the wives who disappear), Why isn't the public as hungry to see justice in these cases?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 01:58 PM
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1. Just thinking the same thing
I hope someone comes along and enlightens me. Until the picture of the shoes came out, I wasn't certain he was guilty at all.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:07 PM
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47. No, but Bush* Cheney, Perle, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Addington, etc
ABSOLUTEY
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 01:58 PM
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2. Good question.
nt
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 01:58 PM
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3. Because they're white of course
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 01:59 PM by nini


Personally ALL of them disgust me and should be rotting in jail. Peterson is a special kind of crap. :puke:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:00 PM
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7. Bingo
:puke:

Blood-lust disgusts me, period.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 01:59 PM
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4. Sure am.
nt
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 04:40 PM
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56. Me too.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 01:59 PM
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5. No, I'm pissed off that Gary Condit and Jon Ramsey aren't behind bars.
Argh argh argh argh!
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:12 PM
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23. you do know that they found levy's killer and it wasn't condit, right?
google is your friend

democrats of all people should be embarrassed to keep repeating this shite, of course, you may just be kidding around, i dunno what argh means
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:14 PM
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25. thats the point being made. nt.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:27 PM
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29. Yeah, right.
Next you'll be telling me O.J. was found not guilty of murder.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:51 PM
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37. Unsolved.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:05 PM
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44. not unsolved, actually
go forward a couple more months

it's a long ugly tale of how the man who committed the murder was actually jailed not very long after he killed her, he was a pattern attacker who had mugged several other young women by grabbing their purses in exactly the same way in exactly the same spot (hey, i didn't say he was a smart mugger!)

for whatever reason political interests deliberately bungled the questioning of the man (providing him no representation in spanish, he did not speak english) and screwed up the case so badly that they could not proceed to prosecute him for levy's death (he killed her by accident in the course of robbing her) but they were able to get him on the attacks on the young women who survived and were able to ID him and how he worked

why the media continued to badger condit in the press for a murder that he demonstrably didn't commit, and that was demonstrably a mugging for her purse, well, your guess is as good as mine or maybe it isn't -- but there are lots of reasons for accusing a man on the front page and exonerating him on page 32 and none of those reasons have anything to do with right or justice, more to do with selling hysteria for profit and accusing a democrat perceived as vulnerable
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:08 PM
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48. Your suppositions do not a "guilty" verdict make.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 06:13 PM
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62. post a link then..
because i can't find jack krap on teh googles.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:37 PM
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32. They also through DNA eliminated the Ramseys in the murder of their daughter
Check google again.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:54 PM
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38. DNA found wasn't theirs; doesn't prove ANYTHING about the Ramseys.
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 02:55 PM by WinkyDink
And one legal entity claiming that this somehow proves their innocence doesn't make it so.
Only a trial by a jury of their peers could accomplish/have accomplished that.
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boozepusher Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:01 PM
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41. Fortunately in the U.S.
you don't have to prove your innocence. You are presumed innocent until found guilty by a jury of your peers. Or did you forget that?
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:13 PM
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50. Oh, got me on my semantics. Fine: The legal eagle can't claim the R's are "innocent"
BASED ON this DNA. That person can ONLY say AS YOU DID.
Which, "IUPGBAJOYP" pertaining as it does to EVERY American, seems not to have warranted a news release.
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boozepusher Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:17 PM
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53. They don't have to claim they are innocent
based on the DNA. They ARE innocent until proven otherwise.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:02 PM
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43. They were exonerated both of them
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 03:10 PM by spiritual_gunfighter
And Patty Ramsey died under a cloud of suspicion, they got a raw deal in a major way.

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jul/10/nation/na-jonbe...
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:10 PM
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49. No trial = no exoneration. It simply means the Boulder DA thinks there is a lack of evidence to
proceed.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:02 PM
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42. I'm pissed that Joe Scabrous isn't behind bars.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:00 PM
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6.  Who says "the public" ISN'T eager for justice everywhere? You will recall, however, the civil suit
O.J. lost?
I don't think the others were so convicted.

Spector.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:00 PM
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8. they ALL should be in jail - don't blame the public
It's the MSM that is having a f*cking field day with OJ's verdict.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:00 PM
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9. To be fair, I dont think there was a huge outcry
in recent years for OJ to be in jail. He went in and stepped in the shit all on his own.
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:00 PM
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10. I wonder where this is headed...
:popcorn:
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Mike Daniels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:00 PM
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11. I think lots of people would like to see justice in those cases
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 02:08 PM by Mike Daniels
However, many people (rightfully) feel that O.J. escaped justice last time and so there's more of a desire to see karma finally catch up to his ass.
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tcfrogs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:03 PM
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14. Very good point n/t
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my2sense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:02 PM
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12. Excellent point - nt
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:02 PM
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13. I've seen plenty of people eager to see them behind bars.
:shrug:
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dugaresa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:04 PM
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15. its all about money
I never really followed the OJ trial when it was going on years ago, I was too busy earning a living.

But with what I know about OJ, Blake ad Specktor...it is the amount of cash they have that has/or will keep them out of jail.

If OJ had been a poor man...of any color and he killed his wife...he wouldn't have been able to spend the amount of money he did defending himself.

Same goes for the others...

The Petersen guy is "getting away with it" because his police background helped him commit a so-far perfect crime and perhaps some police officers are "helping him out"

sadly there are innocent men who spend their lives in jail because the didn't even have a decent public defender...if only justice could not be bought and was equal for all...
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:06 PM
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16. Are you kidding - who doesn't want to see these guys behind bars?
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:07 PM
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17. the media hoped to turn the Blake trial into something similar to OJ
but it just didn't have the same "appeal" to the public.

OJ was a bigger star than the others

this was talked about before but it also had to do with the victims. people had more sympathy for Nicole because she was attractive, seen as a good mother, good person etc. while Blake's wife was viewed as not attractive, someone who just wanted his money and had a past that people didn't like.

remember one of the Blake's thug friends was on tv outright calling blake's dead wife a bitch, golddigger, etc.

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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 05:17 PM
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58. That's partly Judge Lance Itos fault...
for allowing the trial to become a media circus.

(Now I'm going to catch shit for blaming a person of Asian descent for that cluster fuck of a trial).
:smoke:
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:07 PM
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18. I'd love to be on the jury for the Drew Peterson trial - and also Casey Anthony.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:10 PM
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19. Do we have to be?
and if so, why?
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:11 PM
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20. Prison as garbage disposal
I don't want to see anyone go to an American prison. Prisons serve the same function as an in-sink garbage disposal: shred what is undesired into little pieces and flush it down the drain, never to be seen from again. Another aspect of the "use once, throw away" culture where anything or any person with a flaw or momentary failing is discarded, never to be allowed to trouble normal society ever again.

Perhaps one day prisons will be run by social workers and psychologists who will know how to use behavioral methods to turn out repaired individuals and not by fascists who turn troubled people into full-blown psychopaths.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:11 PM
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21. i'm as eager or more eager to see phil spector in jail
robert blake no, it sounds horrible, but the victim is too much like someone who tried to destroy someone close to me and there's an atavistic part of me that whispers that the world is better off without that particular individual

spector is a monster, the sooner he's taken away, the better -- it's acknowledged that he has threatened many, many, many people w. guns over the years, who knows what other shit he's done besides killing this lady that we'll never know about until he has passed on and they dig up his backyard!

don't know anything about petersen
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:11 PM
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22. of course. especially if they are CONVICTED. n/t
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:13 PM
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24. Of course not because he's white.
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 02:14 PM by Le Taz Hot
:eyes: Isn't that what you wanted us to say? After all, it would fall into your implications, now wouldn't it? All white people bad. All people of color. Good. :puke:
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:19 PM
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28. That's how I read it, too, and I also find that notion offensive.
n/t
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:32 PM
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55. I gave the expected answer
because that's what the OP was hinting at so I just said it. I refrained from a sarcasm smiley because I thought it would be obvious how ridiculous it sounded - guess I was wrong.

That being said - there are plenty of people who are racist and want OJ to get it more than the other assholes - true enough. There are plenty of people who think ALL of them need to get theirs.

ALL of them disgust me and should never see the light outside a jail cell again.

My theory on the OJ obsession is EVERYONE knew and liked OJ - the others were not as famous or well liked. OJ was a talented and personable celebrity who had it all and an example of achieving it all. I think there's a human trait/flaw(whatever you want to call it) that likes to see someone who has it all fall whether that is right or wrong.

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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:15 PM
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26. Because of RACISM
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 02:31 PM by MathGuy
"The public" wants to put black men like OJ Simpson in JAIL.

Except of course when "The public" is electing a black man PRESIDENT by a large majority.

Why can't "the public" just make up its mind?


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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:18 PM
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27. You know why
:shrug:
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:29 PM
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30. To be fair, who has even thought of OJ to any degree the past
10+ years? I certainly haven't...
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:34 PM
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31. Nice race baiting . . . n/t
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:41 PM
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33. BECAUSE THOSE OTHER GUYS DIDN'T GO OUT AND COMMIT STUPID CRIMES *AGAIN*!
Don't give me this "you're all racist" crap. OJ has done NOTHING to keep himself out of the public spotlight since his "Not Guilty" verdict. For god sakes, he even signed off on a book entitled "IF I did it"-and that was before he charged onto someone else's property, armed with loaded weapons, to "get his stuff back." Dd Robert Blake or Phil Spector do that?

THAT'S why OJ Simpson still excites the public more than the others--because he got away with murder and didn't LEARN anything from the experience!
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:42 PM
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34. Certainly, and Phil too. I am still amazed that the LA jury was prejudiced enough to
acquit him in the murder case.

mark
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floridablue Donating Member (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:46 PM
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35. Do I need to be feeling guilty ?
Because I think OJ is a dirt bag murderer who got away with it because black women on the jury would not convict him just because I am white ?
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:06 PM
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45. Apparently wer are all to feel guilty and also we're expected to pick on the families of victims.
Good - Being outraged that a celebrity has been convicted of a crime, even though not one of us had any influence over the judge's decision and the celebrity appears to be guilty of the crime for which he has just been convicted, not to mention the loser of a civil case in which he was found to be responsible for the deaths of his former wife and a man he'd apparently never met but just killed for the hell of it.

Also good - Mocking and criticizing the families of those murder victims for seeking justice.

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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:47 PM
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36. Yep...... lock 'em all up
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RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:56 PM
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39. Robert Blake
I'm VERY eager to see Robert Blake behind bars. Don't know enough about the other guys to have an opinion on guilt or innocence. If they did it, they should be behind bars.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:56 PM
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40. Not as much as I'd like to see Dubya in stripes
Watching the moneyed and mobbed up elude justice horks me off every time. And it happens often enough that I'm always horked off. OJ getting his is nice, but not nearly enough.
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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:07 PM
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46. Yeah, sure, but I don't get your post...
... As I don't get what public opinion has to do with any of these cases. In my personal opinion, Blake, Spector (I corrected your spelling) and Peterson (again, I corrected you spelling--don't thank me. I'm fastidious about spelling. I somehow equate it with the cogency of one's argument)are all guilty of the crimes they're alleged to have committed. They should all be in prison. In my opinion. Obviously, I wasn't on the jury at any of these trials. So my opinion is just that---an opinion. By the way, I also think O.J. was guilty of murder. But if his recent conviction for lesser crimes is based on anything other than those crimes themselves, well, that would obviously be unfair and un-Constitutional.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:29 PM
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54. I asked the question because I didn't hear the talk radio got nuts over
Blake acquittal or Spector mistrial. And somehow I don't think I'll see as much high fiving in DU if these two went to jail.


Agree with your opinion about convicting OJ on anything but the Las Vegas crimes themselves.

Wouldn't want to see Spector convicted because of this hairstyle:

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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:14 PM
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51. I don't think it's a racial issue.
I didn't think it was a racial issue 13 years ago. The 1995 trial was a fascinating trial with colorful characters, tons of evidence, witnesses galore, prosecutorial and police misconduct and ineptitude. The timeline took place over a period of several hours and was full of twists and turns. It read like a crime novel or a movie script. Blake, Spector and the other guy haven't gotten nearly the press as OJ. Not because of race, but because there just isn't as much to report on. Blake's life has been sad for 60 years. He killed his star-obsessed wife outside a restaurant. Not much there. Spector is an oddball who somehow managed to shoot a washed up actress in his home. The end. These two got about as much attention as Bob Crane's murder, Phil Hartmann's murder, and a hundred other cases. You're focusing on the wrong issue when you ask if someone is "as eager to see blah blah behind bars". That's race-baiting. The OJ murder case was different somehow. It had the right combination of things that kept people's attention. I learned a lot about law from the case. I also learned how divided along racial lines our country is. Some black people thought OJ should be found innocent because of something LA cops did and their history of abuse. One has nothing to do with the other. I kept hearing that white people were against OJ because he was married to a white woman. I don't think that was an issue at all. I don't know anyone who thought he was guilty and should be punished because he was married to a white woman. I never heard it, I never saw any wink-wink, it just wasn't an issue. My family, many of whom are VERY right-wing, were divided down the middle on guilt or innocence (this includes the ones who are now practically suicidal over Obama's win). It was not a divide along party lines. I had a very right-wing aunt (now deceased) who said OJ would never kill his wife with his own kids in the home. I asked what makes him different from thousands of others who HAVE killed a spouse with kids in the home. We had great debates about the evidence. It consumed our lives for a year. I think the press played up the bi-racial marriage a lot more than the public did. I thought he was guilty, but I understood the verdict because of the misconduct. He was found "not guilty" and not "innocent".
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:15 PM
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52. It's so sad that this question even needs to be asked. n/t
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 05:10 PM
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57. I sem to recall quite a bit of publicity and public interest in justice being served...
against a certain white, blond, filthy rich, female, jet-setting attention whore whom had been arrested for DUI and driving on a suspended license.

Hmmmm... would that be?


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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 05:26 PM
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59. I remember repugs creamin' their jeans because they thought Bill C. was going to prison...
...for a blow job.

Americans love their schadenfreude.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 05:29 PM
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60. How can you compare? Murderers belong in prison, simple as that. nt
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 05:36 PM
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61. Yes!!! "I think I was eating a biscuit..."
Robert Blake did his best work behind bars
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