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Bozita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:49 PM Original message |
Frontpage of today's Detroit Free Press ... WOW! |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
1. That's the way to do it. Shove it right down their throats. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
16. Yep |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 10:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
75. Agreed. n/t |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
2. the so-called 'big 3' never invested in America, or at least not in the later years |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. of course not... people out of work is bad, however |
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Billy Burnett (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. Schools next? |
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aviationpm (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 08:04 PM Response to Reply #24 |
231. Schools are not for profit like these companies. |
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gizmo1979 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 07:18 PM Response to Reply #13 |
59. Just being stupid. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 07:34 AM Response to Reply #59 |
108. you seem to think throwing money at the problem will make it better |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 08:44 AM Response to Reply #108 |
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Gore1FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #108 |
190. I am not sure withholding money is a better solution |
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notadmblnd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #190 |
204. I'll tell you a little secret. either way, we're all going to pay. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #204 |
212. Very true and worthy of it's own thread. It'll hit locally, too-- |
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du_grad (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-07-08 02:13 AM Response to Reply #204 |
261. You're right |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #108 |
205. really thats what they said with Chrysler bailout and the Mexican bailout |
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dglow (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 07:58 PM Response to Reply #108 |
229. The way out of debt |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:24 AM Response to Reply #13 |
86. Oh, ok, destroy the company, who cares about the workers |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 07:35 AM Response to Reply #86 |
109. and the company is going to fail |
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Diana Prince (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 09:20 AM Response to Reply #109 |
118. Please tell me where they will find work elswhere. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 09:31 AM Response to Reply #118 |
119. please show me where we're guaranteed a job in the constitution, |
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gizmo1979 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:07 AM Response to Reply #119 |
126. You definitely on the wrong |
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Doremus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #126 |
181. Libertarian |
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Lithos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-07-08 01:19 AM Response to Reply #181 |
260. So true, so true... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #126 |
194. Then find them another job, don't support making a product that |
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gizmo1979 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #194 |
218. There are no jobs |
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nankerphelge (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 08:23 PM Response to Reply #218 |
234. Maybe every single person doesn't need to have their own car... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-07-08 12:16 AM Response to Reply #234 |
256. That is taking reality into account |
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du_grad (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-07-08 02:30 AM Response to Reply #234 |
262. In case you haven't noticed... |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:43 AM Response to Reply #119 |
138. You can argue that it IS guaranteed in the Constition. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #138 |
144. also in the bill of rights |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #119 |
142. who libertarian of you. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #109 |
143. Sure they will, you keep believing that |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #109 |
152. There is no work 'elsewhere'. Aren't you paying any attention? We lost |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #109 |
213. Where will the workers find work? What about workers in the dealerships? |
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mikelgb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. how about employ them to tear down the hummer factory |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:26 AM Response to Reply #14 |
88. Hummer makes about 60,000 a year, why not tear down the Toyota Tundra |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 07:47 AM Response to Reply #5 |
111. allow me to remind you |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #111 |
214. Comparing your phrases to those used byy the wrong side isn't calling you a freeper. |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:49 AM Response to Reply #5 |
139. It would be cheaper to pay 5 millin people their lost paychecks |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. I can't let you get away with that remark. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. No, they built themselves a oligopoly |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #12 |
23. I'm with you on this |
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DUlover2909 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:52 AM Response to Reply #23 |
83. They could just copy Honda, Lexus, and Toyota couldn't they? |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:12 AM Response to Reply #83 |
131. Toyota, Honda, etc. don't make cars people want to drive that |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #131 |
150. Ha! That's wrong. Those are the cars people DO want to drive. |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:50 PM Response to Reply #150 |
220. I was in the Hill Country Thanksgiving... |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 06:08 PM Response to Reply #220 |
223. A good third of the elderly or more aren't McCain supporters, thankfully. |
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VPStoltz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #131 |
171. So why is Toyota the biggest selling car in the U.S.? World-wide perhaps? |
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Barb in Atl (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:07 PM Response to Reply #171 |
246. Honestly? Because it's the conventional wisdom |
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mantis49 (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #131 |
185. So why are there waiting lists for the Prius? n/t |
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Tunkamerica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-07-08 05:49 AM Response to Reply #131 |
263. i drive a honda, so do 5 of my friends of the top of my head |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:32 AM Response to Reply #23 |
90. "I appreciate that there were business reasons why GM felt the car wouldn't be profitable " |
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revolve (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
27. Wow, that is a very selfish outlook |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:38 PM Response to Reply #27 |
36. that's great... let them bail them out |
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revolve (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:43 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Okay, since the auto industry in responsible for aproximately 1 in 10 jobs |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #41 |
157. Surely you know 1000 people. Can you name 100 who work in the auto industry? |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #157 |
200. Out of a 1000 people I know... |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #200 |
203. I've owned many, many American made cars, which is why I know they're inferior. |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #203 |
216. Seeya in the bread line. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #216 |
222. No, you'll be there without me. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:28 AM Response to Reply #12 |
89. OH and the transplants in the Southern tier right to work states have? |
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Seldona (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:40 AM Response to Reply #7 |
82. The automobile industry built America? |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #82 |
245. You laugh, but tell me what's so far fetched about that notion? |
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Seldona (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-07-08 12:22 AM Response to Reply #245 |
257. What was the best selling model of car in 1776? |
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Tunkamerica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-07-08 06:03 AM Response to Reply #257 |
264. Great point! |
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muntrv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 11:13 PM Response to Reply #82 |
251. Uh yeah!! And WWII? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-07-08 12:05 AM Response to Reply #82 |
255. (Insert jingoistic claim here) |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #7 |
148. No, not even close to ten percent of the jobs are tied to the American auto industry. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:03 PM Response to Reply #148 |
244. Ten percent is a conservative estimate. Some say close to fourteen percent. |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
15. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG AND WRONG. |
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notadmblnd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #15 |
210. These people that think their livlihoods don't depend on Automakers |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
21. Amen. If you look at how bad things are in Detroit now, that is the handiwork of the big 3 |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:56 PM Response to Reply #21 |
48. The auto companies are planning to let 20,000-30,000 workers go ... |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:36 AM Response to Reply #48 |
91. Nationalize oil, from who, the Russians and Saudis? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #91 |
175. People in Iraq are dead because of LIES ... |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #175 |
227. You are just too funny. Defend and protect what? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 11:27 PM Response to Reply #227 |
252. Where's the Alaska oil going--?? Not to US -- Will be shipped out --!! |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-07-08 09:14 AM Response to Reply #252 |
265. Yes, where is it going, why don't you tell us, all wise sage. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-07-08 10:19 AM Response to Reply #252 |
266. OK, I KNOW you don't have the guts to respond, so I will for you |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-07-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #266 |
267. OIL- not crude -- still be shipped out ... US doesn't get it -- |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 11:33 PM Response to Reply #267 |
269. (sigh) nice try. BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ LOSER |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
25. Never invested in American? |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:53 PM Response to Reply #2 |
26. Those Union Jobs are worth saving. And if they go, your job is next. nt |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:37 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. too late... the company I was working for failed in 2007... no bailout was offered |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:45 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. So what, you're jealous that hard working Union workers may get to keep their jobs? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:48 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Workers can keep their jobs if US buys plants -- build ELECTRIC CARS --- |
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revolve (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. They would be layed off for a long time |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:58 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. BS -- those cars are ready -- they were on the roads in late '90's in CA -- |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:30 AM Response to Reply #49 |
134. oh no !!!!!! electric cars are here-----chevy volt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #134 |
174. Right, Californians wanted to buy everyone of the Electric Cars ... |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #174 |
182. Protect the profits for their Big Oil buddies is more like it |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #182 |
198. Absolutely -- |
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VPStoltz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #47 |
172. And therein lies the problems. Americans are so self-serving-righteous. |
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gizmo1979 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #44 |
65. You can't build something |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #65 |
183. What's looney is to believe that it's at all sensible to keep building gas |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:40 AM Response to Reply #44 |
92. Prius production is only 7% of the total of cars and trucks Toyota builds |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #42 |
57. not jealous, I just don't see the point |
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gizmo1979 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 08:01 PM Response to Reply #57 |
67. A tech worker can go |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 08:07 PM Response to Reply #57 |
70. Tech workers? Pshaw. |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #42 |
221. Yep... |
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gizmo1979 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #35 |
64. You seem to have lost alot of jobs |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 10:21 PM Response to Reply #64 |
77. start-ups come and go...and they fail often |
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gizmo1979 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 09:15 AM Response to Reply #77 |
116. Not a problem |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 09:32 AM Response to Reply #116 |
120. gee, that's productive |
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gizmo1979 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 09:47 AM Response to Reply #120 |
123. Just as productive as having a |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #123 |
178. so you got your wish... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 10:20 PM Response to Reply #35 |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 07:38 AM Response to Reply #76 |
110. you miss my point... it's not about me, but typical of most professions |
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gizmo1979 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 09:16 AM Response to Reply #76 |
117. A truer statment has |
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vanboggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 09:04 AM Response to Reply #35 |
115. You don't understand |
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life long demo (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #35 |
177. I understand why you feel that way |
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DonEBrook (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
31. Well, GM killed the trains and trolleys, Ford was a Nazi and a racist and Chrysler |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 07:00 PM Response to Reply #31 |
50. GM also crushed THOUSANDS of electric cars in Calif --!!! |
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DonEBrook (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 07:40 PM Response to Reply #50 |
60. Yep, they sure did! |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:20 AM Response to Reply #50 |
84. Get over it already, and they are OLD OLD technology |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 08:53 AM Response to Reply #84 |
114. I'm for saving the auto makers, certainly |
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DonEBrook (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #84 |
159. Trains are old technology? Yep they sure as fuck are and still far more efficient than |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 07:58 PM Response to Reply #84 |
230. Isn't GM already invested in trains? |
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gizmo1979 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 08:03 PM Response to Reply #31 |
69. What the hell do Nazis |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:43 AM Response to Reply #31 |
93. And what year are you living in???? Get over it you were NOT born then |
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DonEBrook (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #93 |
161. You should have quit smoking that shit before it worked its magic. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #161 |
165. You should go back to sniffing glue. Your talking points don't work around here. |
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VPStoltz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #31 |
173. My father grew up in Detroit and he was already disjusted with the auto makers back in the 60's. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:36 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. I don't hate American workers, I happen to be one |
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gizmo1979 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. It's over a million jobs. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 07:17 PM Response to Reply #39 |
58. at least that many were shed in the dot com burst... one of mine among them |
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gizmo1979 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. You're not thinking logically |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 08:55 PM Response to Reply #62 |
73. gee, I'm glad you think so highly of tech jobs... |
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gizmo1979 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:10 AM Response to Reply #73 |
129. I didn't make my point very clearly. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:47 AM Response to Reply #34 |
94. You are a bitter jealous person, that's what your problem is. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 07:52 AM Response to Reply #94 |
112. look, I'm happy to debate this with you... |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #112 |
141. Sure, I think, since you are so sensitive to arguing about people you know nothing about |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
46. They built cars for Exxon-Mobil....let them bail them out -- |
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Jack Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 07:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
51. May I suggest a modified bailout |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #2 |
78. and the trillions to the banks are ok because, well, the decision has already been made? please |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 07:32 AM Response to Reply #78 |
107. of course not... I didn't support those bailouts, either |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 09:35 PM Response to Reply #107 |
241. Have you noticed that very serious recession were in? |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:22 AM Response to Reply #2 |
85. I guess jobs and technology aren't an investment in America? |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 06:22 AM Response to Reply #2 |
106. It's not the workers as much as it is the decisions to give the green light on crappy products. |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:09 AM Response to Reply #2 |
127. 3 to 5 million American jobs is not investing in America to you? |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:20 AM Response to Reply #2 |
132. good idea...kill off the auto industry when they make |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #2 |
147. Agreed. |
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notadmblnd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #147 |
208. But guess what? that money comes back here. where do you think the money |
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frogcycle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
169. you look funny without a nose! n/t |
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BeatleBoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #2 |
179. You have no idea what you are talking about |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
180. they certainly did help America...read some history books...... |
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notadmblnd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
197. Who do you think kept the economy going after 911? Or we can goe even further back to WWII |
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notadmblnd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
201. I'll put my vehicle up against what you're driving any day. |
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BobRossi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
219. Ever hear of World War Two? |
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nankerphelge (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 08:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
232. Yes... |
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PatrynXX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 08:53 PM Response to Reply #2 |
236. kinda taking a crooked line looking at it. |
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StreetKnowledge (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
3. AMEN. |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
4. I would be willing to bet the UAW paid for that ad. A nice touch, but after watching the two days of |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. It's an editorial, not an ad. |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
28. I bet they still paid for it. |
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revolve (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:24 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. You dont pay for an editorial |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 07:48 PM Response to Reply #30 |
61. In the words of Michael Corleone, "Now who's being naive, Kay?" |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #30 |
160. maybe you're not familiar with where newspapers get their revenue |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:51 AM Response to Reply #28 |
97. You are from Michigan and you are bitter towards the UAW? |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:49 AM Response to Reply #4 |
95. It WASN'T an ad and NO ONE paid for it? |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
6. Why not provide a temporary $3,000 subsidy for the buyers of American cars? |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Is your SUV an American product? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
22. What's "an American car"? |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:52 AM Response to Reply #6 |
98. The big Three do that every day in rebates |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
10. If we're going to do it we should own them 100% |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:54 AM Response to Reply #10 |
99. Why don't we OWN Toyota and Honda too? Their sales are in the toilet |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #99 |
207. Maybe because our tax payments go into the US Treasury |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 07:46 PM Response to Reply #207 |
228. So you're saying that the Japanese transplants shouldn't be Nationalized? |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 08:59 PM Response to Reply #228 |
238. The Big 3 didn't go to Japan asking for a loan. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #238 |
242. And you don't know anything about Japan propping up Toyota, Honda and Nissan??? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #242 |
249. Deleted message |
DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:46 PM Response to Reply #249 |
250. Then why do you look in the mirror every day? |
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gaspee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
11. I used to be for the bailout |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
38. It's a loan, not a bailout. n/t |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #38 |
164. It's a bailout. That's what government loans like this are, and what they're called. |
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1gobluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #164 |
235. Wow, do you pay your gifts back with interest? |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 08:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
66. I have a 2002 Ford Focus that has never had any service done |
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Brazenly Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 08:02 PM Response to Reply #11 |
68. I'm sorry your experience was so bad, but I must say |
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gaspee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 08:30 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. I think it's the model |
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Brazenly Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 09:38 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Yeah, I really do feel for you. |
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madmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #71 |
149. Sounds to me like you should be angry at the "repair guys" for not fixing it right the first time. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #149 |
154. Why not Dodge for not making it right the first time? |
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madmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #154 |
170. Everything is not always perfect the first time and so needs to be made right. The repair guys took |
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gaspee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #170 |
187. It's Dodge's fault |
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madmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #187 |
191. If it was recalls you shouldn't have tp pay a dime! |
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gaspee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #191 |
217. Too much of it wasn't though |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 11:28 AM Response to Reply #11 |
163. Sounds exactly like the Fix Or Repair Daily F-150 I had. |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #163 |
215. Ford Ranger broke down the day I drove it off the lot. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 08:21 PM Response to Reply #215 |
233. Many of those dealers don't even worry about servicing cars they sold. |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 08:56 PM Response to Reply #233 |
237. There is a Chevy dealer where I live now that is great. |
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bongbong (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #11 |
193. finding good mechanics |
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ogneopasno (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
17. Beautiful. Too bad no one will want to buy a "souvenir" copy of it. |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
18. K & fookin' R ... |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
19. The big 3 produce mostly crap, yet the health of the unions is imperative. |
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Nexus7 (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 07:13 PM Response to Reply #19 |
56. Yes, they did, and I know it first hand |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:57 AM Response to Reply #19 |
100. The Big 3 produce crap? Back your statement up. Oh wait why should you |
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Herman74 (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #100 |
125. The Big 3 Produce GLOBAL-WARMING, AIR-POLLUTING, RESOURCE-DEPLETING Crap!!!! |
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jakefrep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:09 AM Response to Reply #125 |
128. So does every other automaker...what's your point? |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:49 AM Response to Reply #125 |
140. Tool |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
20. Does anyone else find it disturbing that the Detroit media is the mouthpiece of the big 3? |
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revolve (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. That is just dumb |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:28 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Have you been to detroit over the last 20 years? It's been dying with the big 3 |
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revolve (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:38 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Actualy I go to Detroit all the time |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:43 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. The same thing that happened in Pittsburgh. Eventually the city would develop an economy... |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 07:09 PM Response to Reply #40 |
55. Precisely - briefly visited Pittsburgh in the late seventies and it was falling apart. Went back for |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:59 AM Response to Reply #55 |
101. And how many years did it take Pittsburgh to recover??? |
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madmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #55 |
158. When the steel industry in Pittsburgh died there were other jobs out there to be had, in case you |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 07:03 PM Response to Reply #33 |
52. It's been "dying" with the purposeful help of Big 3 .... |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:49 PM Response to Reply #20 |
45. It's disgusting |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 07:04 PM Response to Reply #20 |
54. Agree -- let US take over plants -- build electric cars -- |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 06:01 AM Response to Reply #54 |
102. OK, I've had enough of your "meme" |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 09:39 AM Response to Reply #20 |
121. The Freep is tied to the mast of the big 3 |
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jakefrep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:12 AM Response to Reply #20 |
130. Why is that a bad thing? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #130 |
248. I have to explain to you why a corporate directed media is a bad thing? |
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jakefrep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 11:45 PM Response to Reply #248 |
253. Since when does having a clue what they're writing about = "corporate-directed media"? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-07-08 12:00 AM Response to Reply #253 |
254. Since when is being the big three's stooge knowing what they're writing about? |
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jazzjunkysue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
43. This resembles the "hurt the board of ed by defeating their budget" arguement. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 06:03 AM Response to Reply #43 |
103. You are wasting your time, there is a cadre of people here who's EXPRESS purpose |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
53. Late to the game, but proud to kick and rec nonetheless. n/t |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
63. Well done. |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
72. END OF THE ROAD: IS THE AUTO INDUSTRY DEAD??? |
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windoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 02:13 AM Response to Original message |
79. America needs a new vision that involves alternative energy and transportation |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 06:04 AM Response to Reply #79 |
104. New cool designs? Is that what you are about, new cool designs??? |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:35 AM Response to Reply #79 |
135. they had to take part of the r&d research money to keep the industry afloat |
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Bozita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 02:14 AM Response to Original message |
80. 1,000 copies of this edition of the DFP were hand delivered to all Congresscritters on the Hill |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 02:48 AM Response to Original message |
81. k+r |
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judasdisney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:24 AM Response to Original message |
87. Ben Stein (of all people) says "Rescue them PRONTO" |
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antimatter98 (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:49 AM Response to Original message |
96. Why is Congress anti-labor but pro bank and Wall Street? |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 06:13 AM Response to Reply #96 |
105. HEAR HEAR |
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DirtyJersey (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 06:24 PM Response to Reply #105 |
225. Just an off-topic curiosity |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 07:23 PM Response to Reply #225 |
226. There aren't any longer |
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BlueJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
122. I vote to Loan them the Money. |
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ellie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
124. Nice! |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:25 AM Response to Reply #124 |
133. simple solutions to resolve a problem? |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
136. Although I HATE the phrase UNPATRIOTIC, I believe it fits |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
137. Kudos to the Free Press. I'm sure the smug assholes |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #137 |
146. yes ---i just found out we do not have a "right" to be employed |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #146 |
153. It's the old "why should a factory rat have a good job when |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #146 |
155. We could eat dirt? |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
145. they're just sucking up to their classified ad customer base |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #145 |
151. really.... |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #151 |
156. Wow truthiness, I am impressed. |
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DonEBrook (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #151 |
162. All of which, if true, means nothing in the marketplace as long as people think they're crap. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #162 |
167. Keep spouting those Right wing talking points |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #167 |
176. Deleted sub-thread |
TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #151 |
166. If that were true, the Big Three wouldn't be on death's doorstep. |
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madmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #166 |
168. But what happens to millions of workers until then, states are already running out of unemployment |
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Broadslidin (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #151 |
189. Just return from the 'Mother Ship'.....? Again.... |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #151 |
211. Lying will not make your case. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #151 |
239. Then why |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 09:45 PM Response to Reply #145 |
243. And what about their workers? Tough shit, eh? |
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The Animator (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
184. Sometimes desperate times do in fact call for desperate measures. |
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sce56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
186. They need to convert to zero pollution motors style of green for ordinary cars |
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antimatter98 (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
188. GM: Innovation sacrificed to profits --- NY Times article today. |
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bongbong (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
192. clueless opinions on this topic |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #192 |
196. please do`t blind people with the truth |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #192 |
206. There's a few lessons the Big 3 should have learned from the Japanese... |
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Still Sensible (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
195. At the moment, saving the industry is more important than the agenda |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #195 |
199. worked when we loaned Chrysler money |
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WritingIsMyReligion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
202. They need to force the Big 3 to produce real and futuristic products, not crap. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
209. Maybe they'll do the same now for homelessness? |
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PM Martin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
224. Perhaps these guys should be nationalized. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #224 |
240. So should the Republican party |
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spindrifter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
247. Outstanding!!! |
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Radical Logik (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-07-08 12:23 AM Response to Original message |
258. Inaction bred the great depression |
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painter08 (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-07-08 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
259. I cannot beleive this shight |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-07-08 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
268. Yeesh. Freeper Press is all of a sudden in favor of government spending? |
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