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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:58 AM
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Supposedly your country is worried about Canada's politcal.... uh... donnybrook?
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/12/02/world-reaction...

Though I've not seen shit on any US news. Which is lame cause we are a G-8 nation.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:59 AM
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1. We don't care.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:31 AM
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5. Well, you fucking should cause we're your biggest trading partner
And all this could do serious damage to you.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 05:42 AM
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24. I'm sure Canada has everyone's best wishes.
But there are two issues here that still are unclear: most in the US are iffy on the whole parliamentary system in the first place, and what exactly is going on that makes this so fucking epic. Stuff like the October crisis we can easily register, this is just the kind of weird shit we'd expect from the Italian government, and we never did bother to follow along with them either.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 05:52 AM
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28. If Saudi Arabia's government drastically changed within a week, don't you think the US would care?
Edited on Wed Dec-03-08 05:53 AM by Oregone
Being that a lot of oil come from there....I think the US would call that "epic".

Any idea how much oil, natural gas, minerals, metals, etc, comes from Canada?

A month after an election handed a Bush-lite (on everything from fiscal policy, trade, climate change) leader the country, a week of screw ups is going to change the government to a center-left coalition (in which all the parties on the left form a government and get rid of the conservatives). I would think that would be a big deal.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 05:54 AM
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30. zOMG I CAN'T FUCKING BELIEVE IT WOW OMG I THINK THE WORLD IS GOING TO EXPLODE
There, am I impressed enough for you?
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 06:05 AM
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35. Don't worry....
Edited on Wed Dec-03-08 06:28 AM by Oregone
I share a similar lack of enthusiasm for the new US government. Hence, thats more of why Im here, not there.



FYI, a little info about a country you give two shits about:

Crude Oil Imports (Top 15 Countries) (Thousand Barrels per Day)
Country Sep-08 Aug-08 YTD 2008 Sep-07 YTD 2007
CANADA 1,923 1,833 1,894 1,972 1,894
SAUDI ARABIA 1,429 1,533 1,529 1,441 1,421
VENEZUELA 944 1,146 1,040 1,127 1,120
MEXICO 890 1,292 1,172 1,293 1,430
IRAQ 543 663 661 603 493

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publi...

1.923 million barrels per day of oil, the number 1 oil importer to the US, and not even a country of significance?

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:36 PM
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45. It's this kind of provincial thinking that makes Americans
vote for idiots like Bush because they are totally ignorant of the rest of the world and can't see when political operatives are doing the same to them that has been done in other countries. The parliamentary system isn't that big of a stretch to understand. I wish we had it here. Bush would have been a half term President if we did. Really, expand your horizons and learning about your neighbor up north would be a good start.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:57 PM
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71. Playing devil's advocate...
In what way could this seriously damage us?
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 04:00 PM
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74. AUto bailout, the cost of resources, instability causing a stall in stock market trading...
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 04:05 PM
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79. Explain a little more in depth please.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 04:12 PM
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83. In terms of the Auto bailout
Canada has also been asked to contribute some funds. I think just a billion at this point, but who knows. If that doesn't go through, that could result in some jobs saved in the US auto industry as the Canadian ones move there. As for resources, when our resource sector is doing well it affects prices, so you guys could pay more or less depending on if the Canadian government adds any kind of aid to those sectors in the budget. That trickles down into construction jobs and such.
As for commerce, well, many companies in the USA are owned by Canadians and vice versa. So, a shaky economy can harm people's willingness to invest in companies doing business in or with Canadian companies.

See, Harper has been ousted because his budget offered no solutions to any of this. Now we're in a waiting game to see if the cons will stay on as the governing party or if we go to elections or if the "Coalition" of the other three parties will be allowed to rule. In the meantime, Canada's economic future is up in the air.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 04:21 PM
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86. Don't forget we get most of our petroleum from Canada, not Alaska,
and not the ME.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:33 AM
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7. You can speak for yourself
people, yes even Americans, who have a clue, understand why this matters

Granted, either they were not born in the US, or have travelled abroad and are interested in how the world works
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 05:41 AM
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23. I agree. Sophisticated countries with parliamentary systems are way over our heads...
If its not picking the lesser of two evils, we are totally out of our element. Fuck it, lets go bowling.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 05:43 AM
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25. Is this going to change the borders? Will Quebec suddenly be independent?
What's the big fucking deal?
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 05:47 AM
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26. What was the big fucking deal about the US election? Border change?
A change in leadership in a G-8 country (who the US is heavily involved in trading with) should be a very big deal, especially on the brink of an economic disaster. From relations, to trade policy, to global warming, a liberal Canadian government working with a pseudo liberal US government could drastically change history.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 05:51 AM
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27. Who we elect often effects whether countries get invaded or not
Edited on Wed Dec-03-08 05:59 AM by JVS
So you're G-8. Two questions: what has happened (because even the article in the OP seems to complain more of a lack of reaction rather than explain what is going on), and what possible specific results can one expect?
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 06:03 AM
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34. Alright...
First, what has happened is that immediately after the election (which Harper's party won a minority government with 37% of the vote), he became the only leader to not offer an economic stimulus plan in the G-20 (and Canada is starting to bleed). Instead, he planned to cut a measly 30 million from budget by getting rid of public financing for elections (to destroy his opposition), among other stupid measures. He came off as a vindictive idiot.

In reaction, the Liberals negotiated a coalition government with the NDP (a socialist-like party), who will support them for 30 months. The NDP gets 25% of the seats in the cabinet. Still, that would be a minority government, so the Bloc has agreed to support the coalition for 18 months (probably in exchange for concessions for Quebec). All they have to do is vote down the budget bill next Monday and get the Governor General to agree to let them take over (formality). They will then usurp power from the Conservatives.

The results are immense. You get a government that is much like Bush, replaced by one that is far more liberal than what Obama is going to be. You say what leaders are elected in the US determine who is invaded...well the ones here determine who Canada follows to an invasion. Harper would of sent troops to Iraq if he was a leader then (he in fact plagiarized the Howard speech to advocate the war). He probably would keep them in Afghanistan longer. Harper is not pro-active on climate change. His government is also chasing the silly rabbit down the hole of free-trade globalization. The result would be a complete reversal on these policies, as well as a reversal on domestic ones. Its no small potatoes.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 06:07 AM
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37. Ok. This all seems reasonable and unalarming.
Will we be renegotiating NAFTA soon?
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 06:10 AM
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38. I hope so, to be honest.
Edited on Wed Dec-03-08 06:16 AM by Oregone
But probably not, due to the economic climate. The last time the US and Canada started messing with trade drastically in a depression, the unemployment rate in the US doubled overnight. It became ugly, fast.

I always find it exciting to see leftist win the government in any country, to be honest. I'm sorry you do not share my enthusiasm.

BTW, other countries' news have been following this (so the world cares). Its just the US doesn't. That not unexpected.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:46 PM
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63. For starters, we're to be part of this auto bailout
But, if there is an election or suspended parliament, that won't happen. Also, our natural resources sectors are taking a hit, this could end up hitting you guys because you buy so much from us. It could affect housing starts, fuel prices, etc... get the drift? A bad Canadian economy DOES affect you. So who is in power here affects you. Want me to draw you a picture?
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:51 PM
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67. yeah sure draw the picture, whatever.
I'm not saying that Canada is completely unimportant. I'm just saying that the Canadian political sphere does not strike anyone as volatile enough that a parliamentary shift is going to fundamentally alter the relationship between the countries. Or are you guys going to put the Hugo Chavez of the North in charge?
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:58 PM
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72. His brother, Doug?
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:06 AM
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2. That gosh darned Mulroney.
What's he done this time?
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:32 PM
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44. CBC says it's got documents re-opening the AirBus scandal
Some flunky lied through his teeth at the hearings.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:27 PM
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49. Man. And I was joking.
I guess good villians never die.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:08 AM
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3. If it helps our neighbor to the south is 'bout to become a failed state
Edited on Wed Dec-03-08 02:09 AM by nadinbrzezinski
yep, analysts are now using those terms

We have had thousands killed this year in the war on drugs and the top honchos in their war on drugs killed in an airplane crash oh two miles from Los Pinos (White House)

You think the US is paying attention? Or for that matter the US Media?

A hot war, a constitutional crisis... people in the US are way too provincial

That said... Harper made that bed...

SMILE

It is a good day.

I thought a link from Stratfor might be good

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/mexico_road_failed_state
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:22 AM
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4. Hey and as hubby pointed out, DC is not too worried about Iraq
or Afghanistan either or paying attention to it.

:-)

We can hope that once we have a team with brains, they start paying attention to both Otawa and Mexico City... just for starters
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:33 AM
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6. And they should
We are the biggest trading partner for you guys.... man, the USA would be even MORE powerful if the media just told its people what the fuck is happening elsewhere.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:36 AM
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8. Hey ignore a G-8, or a G-20 member
for Bush (and some provincials) they have no clue what a G-(number) is

I was down right embarrassed when Bush (reportedly) was told the G-20 was meeting, and he went, the WHAT?

I mean, the "man on the street" is one thing... but the chief executive?

I am talking Bush I know...
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:38 AM
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9. Well, he visited us ONE TIME in eight years
Luckily, he'll not be back due to his DUI. Now that presidential exemption is over, he'll never darkne our doorway.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:41 AM
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10. I think he keeps it, the honor of a former president
not that he'll be interested in traveling and mixing up with all them furiegners, that speak with an accent... and in some cases don't even dare speak English... (American, but he'd never know the difference)

IN that sense he FITS like a charm with the proverbial man on the street (or woman or child)


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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 05:54 AM
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31. You can't get into Canada with a DUI?
What about only 1 that was under .15 or even .10 and wasn't involved in a traffic accident? I didn't realize at the time (I was only 21 for a month at the time) that 4 beers could take me over. Nowadays I occasionally drink and if I do, I do it at home and don't go anywhere else. I had a .092 but I normally don't feel "drunk" until finishing a 6th. That sucks, I always wanted to visit Canada.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 06:06 AM
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36. I honestly don't think they really run backgrounds on the way in
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:45 AM
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11. Unless there's blood or sex involved, the American media doesn't give a shit
Edited on Wed Dec-03-08 02:46 AM by depakid
consequently, after two plus decades of (and two generations of kids growing up watching and reading) a dumbed down mass media, a large majority of Americans are appallingly ethnocentric- neither knowing or caring one bit about other nations, or how people live outside the states.

Hate to say it, but I have to add that there's also PLENTY of that sort of parochialism on display right here on DU.

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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:47 AM
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12. Yeah, there is... PROUDLY in some cases, which is leading to the downfall. n/t
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:49 AM
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13. Nah that provincialism is part of the national DNA
and present from the early days

It is just coming back with a passion and mark my words, the US will become even more provincial as the Empire dissolves

I find it to be a serious problem though when people in the corridors of power are this provincial though


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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:55 AM
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14. The real shame in this case is that when the USA is in decline
You know who will be there? Canada. We're the good buddy bringing you ice after you just got your face beat in. But, many americans don't care and never get that.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:16 AM
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18. Oh, not to worry- they'll want oil, natural gas and water.. and electricity
and anything else they're short of in the coming decades. Nature of the beast.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:29 PM
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42. The US is in decline? (I know better but)
most Americans don't realize that... part of the ever so popular provincialism and anti-intellectualism raging.

Who knows the US may face more than just imperial decline...

But that provincialism will transform into outright xenophobia I fear
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 07:02 AM
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88. IMHO, US influence was at its peak in about 1950, when the decline began.
As the Cold War progressed and the number of countries with the atom bomb began to proliferate, America's over-all power gradually waned. This was accelerated by US involvement in a series of either unsuccessful or unresolved conflicts, the rise of Japan as an economic powerhouse, and the European community co-operatively getting its financial act together.
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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:56 AM
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15. yo, heyhey... how many threads are you going to start about this?
we get it (x 10 or whatever.)

something exciting for canadians happened in canada.

yay!

and...

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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:48 AM
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22. "HUGE insult?" how so? pointing out how many threads you have started on this one topic?
is this a canadian thing?

does one not point out the number of threads another starts on a topic in your country?

i am so sorry.

i did not realize the faux pas i committed. i am not canadian, forgive me.

i didn't realize the HUGEness of my disrespect.

sry...



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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 05:52 AM
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29. Evidently Canada is up to something so HUGH that to even try to explain it would be ridiculous.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:32 PM
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52. If people would just read media from outside their country, it wouldn't be so complicated
Edited on Wed Dec-03-08 03:32 PM by HEyHEY
But people choose to be uneducated.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:34 PM
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55. Or you could just post links about what you want people to know about.
Even after finding out the details of the formation of a new government, I don't see what the huge deal is.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:36 PM
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59. Try reading the posted article, if you don't get it I can't help you
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:44 PM
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61. I don't need your help. The article you post is not even about the "event"
Edited on Wed Dec-03-08 03:46 PM by JVS
It's about the perceived lack of concern for the even. What do you want, a baby shower gift for the new government? Tell me about part of the Communist Party of China splintering and forming a new faction, and I'll say WOW. This just doesn't seem so huge. Kudos for getting rid of Harper, but we kind of had expected you to get rid of him in the election held earlier anyway.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:51 PM
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66. Well, I've posted other threads about the event
And if you don't care then don't waste your time here
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:53 PM
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68. So I didn't see your threads. Kill me.
What's up with you anyway?
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:56 PM
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70. It's this damned Italian coffee, it's too strong
No, it's just the insulting way people are speaking to those of us trying to discuss this. If people aren't interested or have read enough, fine. Don't read anymore, but I've had people being complete assholes wasting bandwidth, coming on my thread to mock its very existence. Considering how some topics are beaten to death here, I don't think a few threads about the situation in Canada is that much of an irritation.

PS: I've applied for a gig in China... all hail Hu Jintao.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 04:10 PM
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81. Pause for a minute and think about what you posted.
Your OP was not a discussion of the Canadian parliamentary Donnybrook, instead it was a discussion of why don't people care, or why do they claim to care yet are totally silent on this donnybrook.

You've received a few main lines of reasoning to answer that open question: 1) We don't care 2) We don't know because our media (the German media is also quiet on this) doesn't care and we don't research it 3) We trust Canada to run their affairs and thus are not bothered by the change. Take it as a compliment that people think your country is run competently enough that you can have a government change without generating some kind of major travesty.
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zorahopkins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:35 PM
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57. I Prefer Sch*eppes
Speaking only for myself, I prefer the bubbling good taste of Sch*eppes Tonic *ater to that of Canada Dry.

note: In protest of the continuing occupation of OUR *hite House by the illegal and totally corrupt Bush/Cheney regime of thugs and cronies, I REFUSE to use the letter bet*een "X" and "V".
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:58 AM
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16. That's why you come to DU
:shrug: Right?


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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 05:56 AM
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32. Word to the wise: The less the USA knows about your country the better
:nuke:

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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 05:59 AM
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33. When we learn about a country is when we get stabby!
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 06:14 AM
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39. Probably true...
If they knew enough, they would probably cede Texas back to Mexico and occupy Alberta. Then they would take over BC to get a nice pipeline running straight from Alaska to all the Chevron stations in California.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 07:02 AM
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40. Well, this is Canada's business.
Edited on Wed Dec-03-08 07:14 AM by terrya
First of all.

Our government will be briefed about this. And I suppose the Obama people and Hillary Clinton.

It's important because we ARE your closest ally and trading partner.

Unfortunately, there ISN'T really anything in the American press about this. Hell, when you guys have a federal election, it's not mentioned as prominently as it should be. I was with IntravenousDemilo election night 11/4. Your press covered OUR election as comprehensively as ours did. I wish the same would be true when it comes to your elections.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:43 PM
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60. Also, we're to be part of this auto bailout as well
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 10:56 AM
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41. Sounds as though a different coalition in Parliament may be taking over?
I wouldn't call that a crisis, but it seems significant.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:52 PM
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47. First coalition in ninety years
Government swap in mid-parliament, through the Governor-General, without the Prime Minister's say-so, outside of an election because the prime minister tried to effectively cut the opposition parties off at the knees in terms of electoral funding and is actively sitting on his hands about the economy so he can pin the blame on the other parties.

It's something of a big deal up here. It pretty much is running into the territory of a constitutional crisis, since the mechanisms being invoked for the whole process are somewhat arcane up here and have only been used twice in our history. The last time was with the government itself initiating the process during a war.

(Also, the governor-general's a black female pentelingual immigrant Haitian former journalist appointed by the Liberals some years ago, which I'm sure Harper looooves. I get my schadenfreude where I can...)
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:31 PM
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43. Most Americans could not name the capitol of Canada
if it was marked on a map. :banghead:
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:52 PM
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48. CNN routinely says it's Toronto (nt)
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:29 PM
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50. You mean they are wrong? (It's Otawa kiddies)
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:33 PM
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53. Ottawa?
Ha ha!

Yeah, right.
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zorahopkins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:45 PM
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62. It's Not Montreal?
I thought the capital of Canada *as Montreal.

It's not?

What is this "Otta*a"?

note: In protest of the continuing occupation of OUR *hite House by the illegal and totally corrupt Bush/Cheney regime of thugs and cronies, I REFUSE to use the letter bt*een "V" and "X".
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:48 PM
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64. Fuck, I wish. We'd have the most rockin' Capital in the world.
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zorahopkins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:50 PM
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65. Instead, You Have A Capital *ith All The Excitement Of......
Brussels.

note: In protest of the continuing occupation of OUR *hite House by the illegal and totally corrupt Bush/Cheney regime of thugs and cronies, I REFUSE to use the letter bet*een "V" and "X".
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 04:04 PM
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77. Trust me DC is boring too
I think of the North American capitals only Mexico City has some excitement to it (for many reasons)
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zorahopkins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 04:06 PM
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80. Really?
Guns are now legal in DC.

That can make things VERY exciting.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 04:11 PM
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82. Yeah but mexico city is a cosmopolitan city with culture going back
oh 2000 years

So it is not just the guns or shootouts

Have had my share of those too...

Mexico City can range in exeperince from the most depressing third world place, to the Paris of Latin America... and anything in-between

When DC starts having the equivalent of Broadway shows... think of Mexico City like New York and that is a more accurate description
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 04:13 PM
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84. I thought you were kidding
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:38 PM
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46. Our "news" sucks but you know that. I watch BBC news and they have
covered it.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:35 PM
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58. Really? I musta missed it
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 04:18 PM
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85. Sure. Look at the link below.
Edited on Wed Dec-03-08 04:20 PM by Cleita
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7762403.stm Also, on the right hand column are various stories they have run about this.
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zorahopkins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:29 PM
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51. Italy All Over
*atching Canadian politics is rather like *atching politics in Italy.

Except the Italians are so much more fun!

note: In protest of the continuing occupation of OUR *hite House by the corrupt and illegal Bush/Cheney regime of thugs and cronies, I REFUSE to use the letter bet*een "V" and "X".
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:34 PM
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54. Oh, are your condos leaking again?
:boring:
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:35 PM
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56. Keep reaching for that rainbow.. one day you'll stop hating yourself.
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:54 PM
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69. Given the last eight years, it's hard to get our attention
Unless someone's genitals are showing......

That being said, I do listen to "As It Happens", and they've been covering this pretty thoroughly. But, I'm odd....
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:59 PM
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73. I DO NOT WANT TO SEE GILLES DUCEPPES BALLS!
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 04:01 PM
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75. Michalle Jean is very attractive though
nevertheless, it would be unseemly for her to appear anything apart from Viceregal.......
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 04:03 PM
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76. If she had balls, THAT'D be a news story.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 04:05 PM
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78. Thanks for the damn mental!
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 04:25 PM
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87. What is a canada?
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