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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:07 PM
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Capitalism Sucks!
All of it. Every bit.



No you see it's not a matter of proper regulation or some such madness. Capitalism is predatory in nature and will always suck the life from the vast majority of the people to serve the tiny minority of the elite class.



Capitalism is sucking the planet dry just as it is draining all our souls.

We all deserve better. Speak out now. Act up now. The hour's getting late.

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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:11 PM
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1. Most people would offer an alternative rather than just knock it.
What's yours?
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:13 PM
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5. A habitable planet
Pick one. You can't have both.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:13 PM
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2. What is your alternative?
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:16 PM
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6. A Pluralist Commonwealth. See Gar Alperovitz's book, "America Beyond Capitalism"
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:23 PM
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9. There have been many new ideas for this planet by advanced thinkers
vs. the old capitalism vs marxism mantra you might know and hear.

Some are noble laureates.
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:20 PM
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8. Listen to Uncle Albert

Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of smaller ones. The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society. This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature. The consequence is that the representatives of the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the underprivileged sections of the population. Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education). It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights.

The situation prevailing in an economy based on the private ownership of capital is thus characterized by two main principles: first, means of production (capital) are privately owned and the owners dispose of them as they see fit; second, the labor contract is free. Of course, there is no such thing as a pure capitalist society in this sense. In particular, it should be noted that the workers, through long and bitter political struggles, have succeeded in securing a somewhat improved form of the free labor contract for certain categories of workers. But taken as a whole, the present day economy does not differ much from pure capitalism.

Production is carried on for profit, not for use. There is no provision that all those able and willing to work will always be in a position to find employment; an army of unemployed almost always exists. The worker is constantly in fear of losing his job. Since unemployed and poorly paid workers do not provide a profitable market, the production of consumers' goods is restricted, and great hardship is the consequence. Technological progress frequently results in more unemployment rather than in an easing of the burden of work for all. The profit motive, in conjunction with competition among capitalists, is responsible for an instability in the accumulation and utilization of capital which leads to increasingly severe depressions. Unlimited competition leads to a huge waste of labor, and to that crippling of the social consciousness of individuals which I mentioned before.

This crippling of individuals I consider the worst evil of capitalism.


Why Socialism?
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 12:48 AM
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21. As a sociology major I say - Amen brother - and I'm not even religious!
Capitalism IS the problem. It encourages the worst parts of humanity like greed and selfishness while ignoring any problems (global warming, pollution) that interfere with obtaining more wealth, and that's just for starters. I could go on and on about the many ways and reasons I loathe capitalism, but I think we're both already on the same page there. Unfortunately we have a lonnnnnnnng way to go before all the capitalism addicts here in America wake up and realize that capitalism itself is indeed the cause of most of our problems. Excellent Einstein piece you posted - a great read - one of my favorites - hope others will click on your Why Socialism link and read the full thing.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:13 PM
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3. True. It's almost as bad as the alternatives. nt
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:13 PM
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4. Laissez Faire Capitalism Sucks A Whole Lot
Properly-regulated capitalism sucks somewhat less than the alternatives, as far as I can see,
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:46 PM
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15. Regulation doesn't work. Experience has shown that attempts at regulation will be subverted by...
the influence of the ruling class.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 06:25 AM
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24. Yes, That's True
But, historically, capitalism + democracy lead to better outcomes than do the alternatives.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:20 PM
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7. Capitalism as Adam Smith envisioned it COULD work
Capitalism as it is practiced by the corporate powers of this world is SOCIOPATHIC.

The 'WAKE UP" call is now at 300 decibels.... why can so few hear it?
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:26 PM
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10. Bose Noise Cancelling Headphones. $349.95
Available at fine retail chain stores in your area now!
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 08:18 AM
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27. .
:spray:
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:40 PM
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13. No shit.
Adam Smith's Capitalism didn't involve a Corporate Overclass.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:44 PM
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14. No it couldn't. The first thing that people who got richer than the others would do is turn...
it into a more corrupt system that better serves their interest.
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pork medley Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:50 PM
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16. Sorry your little vacuum-sealed vision of capitalism doesn't really exist anywhere.
:rofl:
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pork medley Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:32 PM
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11. I suppose you've got a BETTER idea?
Edited on Mon Nov-24-08 10:41 PM by batwing


Didn't think so. :eyes:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:40 PM
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12. That's nice, but unless you're willing to go all Cultural Revolution on people's asses, it doesn't..
mean anything.
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:52 PM
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17. Oh
Is this what you meant by "cultural revolution?"



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Steepler0t Donating Member (348 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 11:18 PM
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18. Laissez-faire Capitalism has failed
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 12:04 AM
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19. Let's dump it ---
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 12:07 AM
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20. And here's your flow chart...
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Winnipegosis Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 01:15 AM
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22. Capitalism has built America into the strongest economy in the world
as far as I can tell.

We here in Canada have been great beneficiaries of it.
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asteroid2003QQ47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 01:17 AM
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23. To find proponents of Capitalism here is astounding!

Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.
- John Maynard Keynes

Chanting their mantra of something similar to, "It's better than the alternatives," they demean those who at least suggest possible alternatives while offering nothing constructive themselves.

(On the bright side, the defense of their beliefs bespeaks volumes!)
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 06:25 AM
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25. It IS about proper regulation.
As an example I would cite Japan. I'm not a Japanese specialist but a few things seem obvious. Through hard work, discipline, education, and proper regulation Japan has gone from zilch after WWII to the world's second largest economy in less than 60 years. An island nation with little or no natural resources of its own besides its people!

Japan used to have and may still have regulations that capped the salary of the top dog in a company at something like 10 or 15 times the salary of the bottom dog in the company. I think regulation like that broadly discourages the selfish pursuit of grotesque excess which is often harmful to the collective and to the environment. While wild-eyed predatory greed was/is thus generally discouraged in Japan, it is actually encouraged in the U.S. The top dog in a U.S. corporation now commonly sucks up more than 400 times the salary of the guy at the bottom thanks to the complete lack of regulation and discipline. It is obscene. Only now with these bailouts is Congress beginning to test the waters of regulating excessive corporate compensation. It should have started a long time ago.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 08:16 AM
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26. I see a lot of 'buts' but there ain't no 'buts' about it.
All of this qualification, 'laissez faire capitalism', 'corporate capitalism', is beside the point. Capitalism will resist all regulation, under pressure(fear of revolution)they will back off for a while, the New Deal, but they always come back for more, more, more. Same thing happened after Teddy Roosevelt's progressive reforms and trust busting. Even more than rust, capitalism never sleeps. It will always seek the maximum profit, to the detriment of anything that gets in the way, workers and environment be damned. It's like keeping a rabid baboon, you can cage it and chain it but that suckers gonna get loose and cause havoc. Best to put it down.
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