I just dont get it

[az chela]

We elected Obama and it seems all we are getting is the old clintonites.
Why didnt we just fuckin pick hillary???

[SammyWinstonJack]

1. .

:popcorn:

[Bluebear]

3. Pass the salt

[SammyWinstonJack]

7. This should be quite entertaining.

:evilgrin:

[lamp_shade]

11. Scootch over a little.

:popcorn:

[Richardo]

2. .

:boring:

[Sugar Smack]

30. WAKE UP!!!1!!11!

Haaaaappy birthday to you,
happy birthday to you,
happy BIRTHDAY Ri-char-do..

Happy birthday to you!!

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: How old are ya, son?



I missed your b-day thread, sorry. So here's my wishes now for a best year ever. :spank:

[Richardo]

37. !!! Sugie !!!

You're so sweet - thanks for the wishes. I met and exceeded 52 on Saturday.


:hi: :loveya:

[Mojambo]

4. This is a new and interesting thread idea! n/t

[Breeze54]

5. But isn't that change you can believe in?!

:sarcasm:

Hopefully things will work out. We don't seem to have a say in it.

Not all his picks are from the Clinton era or the RW, I don't think.

[mondo joe]

6. Did you expect Obama to not include party members with federal govt experience?

?

[Ian David]

8. Where else is he going to find Democrats experienced in government?

Do you want him to pull old Jimmy Carter advisers out of the old folks home?

When Jimmy Carter was President, Helen Thomas was young.

[MarkInCA]

13. Subject line of this reply explains it all n/t

[Ian David]

15. He's not an it-getter. n/t

[Lex]

9. they are DEMOCRATS with experience

and they don't 'belong' to the Clintons

sheesh

[cali]

10. let me explain it very simply for you

Obama and Hillary are very different people. Sorry you couldn't figure that out. Furthermore, he has not chosen only old clintonites. You might consider actually paying attention.

[NeedleCast]

12. FFS, I wish Obama would finish picking his peeps

so this she will at least temporarily end.

[Ian David]

16. You're forgetting the confirmation hearings. n/t

[lisa58]

14. Really?

[Winterblues]

17. You are right .....You just don't get it ......and probably never will

:shrug:

[LWolf]

18. If you don't get it,

you weren't paying attention.

There was very little difference in policy between HRC and Obama. He's just as good a dlc fit as she is, official membership not withstanding.

His appointments match his policies, for those who looked beyond inspirational political sermons, and the ambiguous "hope" and "change" that the campaign ran on.

People are getting what they voted for when they nominated him.

[PeaceNikki]

19. You really seem to want him to fail.

[LWolf]

21. He's not failing.

He's succeeding.

I don't support his positions; I never have. So, yes, I will oppose him on most issues.

I never expected anything to be any different. Unlike a large number of his supporters, who somehow thought he was going to usher in some kind of liberal renaissance.

[stillcool]

25. I don't know why you take it upon yourself...

to speak for a "large number of Obama supporters". Do you know any?

[LWolf]

28. I sure do.

Are you suggesting that Obama supporters are so few and far between that they are hard to find, lol?

I find that centrist democrats are happy with him. Those that were big fans early on are still happy. The left wing of the party isn't. Those that supported him from the left? Some are clinging to dwindling hope, some are disappointed, some are more than disappointed.

The left wing of the party that never had any illusions about him, and the left wing of the country outside the democratic party, are not disappointed, because they didn't expect anything different.

That's what I'm hearing, in real life and online. I'm not "speaking for them." They are doing enough of that themselves. I'm just commenting on what I'm hearing.

[stillcool]

29. What I am suggesting is that you...

can not possibly know nearly as much as you think you do, and perhaps you should speak for yourself, unless that is too difficult for you. I don't know who it is that you know that defines themselves in such pigeon holes, but those people that I know, friends and family, and those people I worked with during the campaign season are not anything like your on-line friends. They are ordinary people who have done extraordinary things to elect someone that they 'hope' can accomplish something to ease the fright they have been experiencing for the last 8 years. They are not expecting miracles, they just want to see some logic, some intelligence, some sense of sanity. We all know that we are in deep shit... why would anyone be expecting one man to wave a magic wand and make it all go away?

[LWolf]

31. It's not about magic wands, for god's sake.

I hear people I know well, people I know less well, people I barely know, in real life and cyber life, recognizing that Obama is not the great liberal/left hope.

Some of those people always knew that. Others really thought, I don't know why, when they voted for him that he would usher in a liberal renaissance.

It's not about what I think I know. It's about what I hear, and what I read. I'm sharing it. I'm sorry that you don't want to know.

And yes, there are those who are still clinging to the euphoria they experienced on election day. That's fine, too.

Personally, I don't expect change to come from Obama. If it happens at all, it will be a grassroots effort, riding on the wave of "hope" this election generated. If enough people are determined enough to work and act for change, it will happen, with or without Obama.

That's why I'd rather not see people sitting back and "trusting" Obama to do it all. I'd rather see them gearing up to take the effort to Obama.

[stillcool]

33. I guess in my little corner of the world...

we are waiting for the inauguration. For instance I am not writing letters to the editor, writing and calling my representatives, or asking others to join me in my efforts. You know, I am really fond of my Senators, but they have done some fucked up things. Enough to lose their job, in one case. And yet, I don't go around trashing them, or accusing others that are really happy with them of being worshipers. I guess I'm not much of a purist when it comes to politics or human beings.

[LWolf]

34. Right now, before the inauguration,

Obama is building a team that will move to set policy. They will be meeting between now and January.

I want to communicate while that work is going on.

I think it's the responsible thing to do.

I'm writing letters about appointments; I'm not the only one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4527139&mesg_id=4527139

The people he appoints will be driving policy. I think that's worth communicating about.

:shrug:

[stillcool]

38. Well..don't you think you would gather...

more people to join in your efforts if you addressed the 'issue', rather than be caustic about what you think of him, and those who voted for him? Are people, and the world, all that black and white to you?

[LWolf]

44. We are gathering. We are working.

Not at DU, obviously. In the real world.

I really haven't been "caustic." I've been quite a bit milder than I easily could have been. I'm a pretty blunt person. I'm more than a little angry at being stuck with Obama by people who cared more for style than substance. And yes, that's my take on the whole situation.

Republicans were ripe for defeat. We could have elected a true progressive, and instead, we're stuck with a centrist who leans to the right on too many issues. I'm ANGRY. And I hold the democrats who nominated him accountable for it. Considering the level of anger and betrayal that I feel, I've been quite moderate in my comments. I know that the people who put him where he is feel differently. I know their feelings, and their reasons, because I'VE listened. Nothing is black and white. If, however, the euphoria and "inspiration" are legitimate, then so is my anger and my feelings of betrayal.

[Name removed]

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[cali]

46. It's satisfying to know that reactionary folks like you are irrelevant

I prefer, like the vast majority of the left, to give Obama a chance to govern before making judgments.

I'm so glad that the fringists have zip influence.

[cali]

45. Actually, the left wing of the party is largely happy with him. Fringists aren't

And I suspect few Obama supporters who pay attention expect him to usher in some new liberal age. And you self-select information, as do most of us. Your observations strike me as almost wholly off base.

And just not too swift. It's clip and paste mindless Counterpunch crap non-stop from you.

[Pastiche423]

35. She's speaking for me

(Even if she din't know it.)

[stillcool]

39. Really? You are one of a large..

number of supporters, who somehow thought he was going to usher in some kind of liberal renaissance?

[Pastiche423]

40. No

But I did not think he would lie. And he has.

[Enthusiast]

20. What is the problem with Hillary?

Most of have no problem with Hillary or the others. Hell, give Obama a chance. You sound like some feckin' Republican.

[fascisthunter]

22. what's worse... many are using the BS excuse of experience

well if we really wanted to go there, we'd look at the experience of those who are now part of his economic team and realize quickly that they are not on the side of the average American.

[az chela]

23. The answers here are very demeaning. was serious about my question

And dont quite understand these responses /I donated many times for Barack,campaigned for him,Cried when he won,have bumber stickers on my car and signs in my yard and you say I am against him???
I wanted to know after so many months of people not wanting Hillary and now her and so many of the people being chosen it just doesnt make sense to me.
I thought Barack had his own people not the ones that served with the Clintons.
Clinton did a lot of things that werent good for this country so why are they being picked by Barack for his administration??can somone just explain this in plain english??
Thank You
Also how is this CHANGE???

[PeaceNikki]

24. Those people did some things that wen't good, but they did a lot of good, too.

Color me an optimist, but I bet they'll do more good and less bad with a better, more liberal leader like Obama.

[mondo joe]

26. My response is serious as well. What did you understand the *CHANGE* Obama talked

about to be?

I kept hearing that he wanted to basically be post-partisan.

I never heard that he was going to dump the Democratic party on election. That's not meant to be demeaning at all.

[stillcool]

27. I think if you wanted answers to those questions...

you could read DU for the last 2 weeks and find something you'd like to hear. I've worked hard to get Obama elected for the past 2 years, and I am not looking for 'change' to come by way of a Cabinet Position, or prior to his taking office. I expect him to hire people who he feels will do the job he is hiring them to do. I guess if I were more knowledgeable I could help with the resume's, but alas, I am clueless as to who would make a good Chief of Staff, or a good Treasury Secretary. I am expecting change..because after all it's the only thing that is a constant, but I'm not expecting Barack Obama to be any more than one man attempting to push the pendulum the other way.

[Dr. Strange]

32. I blame the black Mormon voters in California.

The ones who drive their SUVs and get fat from the thermisols in vaccines. They made it happen on purpose.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

36. You're Right. You Don't Get It.

You're not even close to getting it.

:eyes:

[lamp_shade]

41. AMEN to that.

[TexasObserver]

42. Do you really want your name by that OP?

You're right. You don't get it. Stop trying.

[lonestarnot]

43. Rugh ro. I think you stepped in something. Would you like a scraper?

:evilgrin: