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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 03:46 PM Original message |
45 Years On, We Must Bring JFK’s Killers to Justice (Thread 2) |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
1. No, J. Edgar Hoover wanted us to believe that he looked good in red chiffon. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 05:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Anthony Summers found eyewitnesses who said Hoover was conflicted that way. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
2. Yes, but it's been 143 years since Lincoln's real killer escaped justice. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 05:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. There's no statute of limitations on murder. |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Excellent post... |
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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 06:47 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Start asking those guys questions, you might blow the whole Pandora's Box sky-high. |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 10:21 AM Response to Reply #8 |
26. Jeeze, like you COULD smear their reputations. Some things |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 06:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
36. Same with Gordon Liddy |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
58. Remember George H.W.'s odd ramblings at Gerry Ford's funeral |
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peace frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #58 |
80. Bill Clinton has probably heard the whole sordid tale |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
3. I was in the 8th grade... |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
20. I was in 2nd grade... |
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Parche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
4. allen dulles |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 11:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
21. How Was The CIA Formed? By absorbing the Nazi war criminal infrastructure. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 12:24 AM Response to Reply #21 |
193. Project Paperclip .... |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 10:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
61. Dulles is named for John Foster |
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Morning Dew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
5. I just wanted to thank you, Octafish, for all the work and passion. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 08:47 PM Response to Reply #5 |
48. Know your BFEE |
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bobthedrummer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #48 |
91. Thanks for giving US everything you DU here bro, have a good thanksgiving tomorrow |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 07:20 PM Response to Reply #91 |
104. Back at You, Bob! You've been my teacher. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 12:18 AM Response to Reply #5 |
123. Don't encourage Octafish! |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 01:43 AM Response to Reply #123 |
125. To avoid embarassment, stopbush, don't post. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 11:32 AM Response to Reply #125 |
127. Feathers ruffled? Don't blame me for my posts. I get my instructions |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #127 |
130. You've more than 80 posts on this and the other thread. Not once did I tell you to stop the spam. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #130 |
132. Uh, my reference to the BFEE was a joke. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #130 |
135. BTW - the fact that you term the overwhelming evidence "spam" says a lot about your views |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #135 |
137. The Warren Commission, The Truth, and Arlen Specter |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 06:24 PM Response to Reply #137 |
141. I'm no fan of Arlen Specter these days, but it must be noted that while |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 09:42 AM Response to Reply #127 |
206. It would not be a surprise if you did |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #123 |
139. I'm not paranoid. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 07:03 PM Response to Reply #139 |
143. You may not be paranoid. One need not be paranoid to find tales of conspiracy to be |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 07:46 PM Response to Reply #143 |
144. Sometimes there are issues |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #144 |
153. Of course there are conspiracies, but it does no good to label everything a conspiracy. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
6. Easier to discuss the subject or shameless self-kick? |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. I asked Octafish to open a second thread n/t |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 10:02 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. I was too late to recommend the first one. |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
9. Bush the elder had a lot to do with it. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:00 PM Response to Reply #9 |
49. Perhaps a Federal Grand Jury can ask him about these FBI memos... |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 12:52 AM Response to Reply #49 |
194. The one thing that has always puzzled me is... |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
10. One thing I recall reading about Oswald's Marine Corps service, was |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:09 AM Response to Reply #10 |
23. - |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
29. Wrong. Oswald scored a 212 on his 1956 shooting test which classified him a SHARPSHOOTER. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 05:57 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. I would say partially wrong. I wasn't aware of his first shooting test in 1956, but |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Dosen't matter. Military is much more liberal in their scoring. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. So, when the FACTS cause problems with the myth that Oswald was a poor |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:19 PM Response to Reply #35 |
50. Who WAS Lee Harvey Oswald? |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #50 |
73. What is the source of that photograph? And how can one tell that |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #35 |
51. Agreed. Of course it is possible that Oswald shot JFK |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:26 PM Response to Reply #51 |
67. Lots of solid evidence that Oswald was the shooter. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #67 |
111. Dallas Police Officer Marion Baker found Oswald calmly sipping a cola in the 2nd floor lunchroom. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #111 |
214. PLUS ...someone was eating their lunch on 6th floor until 12:15 -- Saw no one ..... |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #67 |
161. Neither myself nor Oswald could have fired two in rapid succession. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #161 |
164. Entirely disputed by the Zapruder film evidence. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 08:09 PM Response to Reply #164 |
166. Zapruder film doesn't show magic bullets. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #166 |
168. There was no magic bullet. Second shot hit JFK and Connally, no questions whatsoever. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 09:18 PM Response to Reply #168 |
171. But this "accidented" witness said it was a Mauser. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 12:20 AM Response to Reply #171 |
174. Already explained in great deal by the WCR. The Mauser bore a close resemblance to |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 02:40 AM Response to Reply #174 |
176. However another Dallas Officer reported a Mauser |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #176 |
178. So, he misidentified it as well. Other reports said it was a British Enfield. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 12:09 AM Response to Reply #176 |
191. Experts misidentified the rifle ...!! More than one was found and .... |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #191 |
208. Absolutely incorrect. COE was unbroken from the moment Oswald's |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 12:06 AM Response to Reply #168 |
190. The wound in neck had NO exit -- Wound in his right shoulder had No outlet...... |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #190 |
213. Wound in the neck was the EXIT wound from the shot in JFK's upper back. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #213 |
218. The FBI agents who watched the autopsy said the wound was in the BACK, below the SHOULDERS. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 12:14 AM Response to Reply #218 |
232. "A bullet had entered his back at a point slightly above the shoulder to the right of the spine." |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #166 |
215. A wound in JFK's neck with no outlet cannot connect to a wound in JFK's ... |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 06:11 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. You need to read the report on Oswald's abilities per the USMC |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 06:29 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. You're partially correct, |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 06:36 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Actually, Oswald did shoot at another human being 7 months before he shot JFK. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. That is interesting and thanks for the link, but it also raises a question. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Yes, the two men question is interesting, But remember that there |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 07:12 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Actually General Walker's friend was also a witness |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #47 |
76. Walker was FIRED by JFK -- he also led racist RIOT at Ole Miss --- |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #45 |
87. After reading your link yesterday, last night a couple of other points occurred to me. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 12:05 AM Response to Reply #87 |
119. Well, Uncle Joe, I'm happy that my link has got you thinking. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #119 |
140. I've never watched Oliver Stone's movie, |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 06:33 PM Response to Reply #140 |
142. Thanks for the questions |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 12:14 AM Response to Reply #87 |
192. Walker was FIRED by JFK -- Walker also led race riot at Ole Miss --!!! |
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MinM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:35 PM Response to Reply #38 |
68. So you're saying that LHO missed a stationary target at close range... |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 01:12 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. Who knows? Perhaps Oswald was in the habit of missing with his first shot? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 11:58 PM Response to Reply #31 |
189. The "alleged" rifle was set up for a leftie -- Oswald was right handed --- |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #189 |
209. Wrong. See my post #156. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 01:37 AM Response to Reply #10 |
124. The Other Oswalds |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
11. This was new to me - Both Conally's (Gov. & his wife) both did NOT believe in the single bullet..... |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 10:07 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. "THEY are going to kill us all." "I want THEM to see what THEY did" |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 08:35 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. And when you realize the Secret Service "body guards" left the car just before the turn... |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #17 |
54. Actually, it was John Connally who screamed |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #54 |
77. Right -- REMEMBER ...LBJ wanted Yarborough to be in that seat ---!!! |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #77 |
85. I never heard that about Yarborough. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. Yeah .. Yarborough tried to get truth out about Grassy Knoll shots ... |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #11 |
138. Gerald Ford's Role in the JFK Assassination Cover-up |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 12:54 AM Response to Reply #138 |
195. Connolly was certainly part of all this --- |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
14. I keep trying to piece it together. Another try: |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #14 |
30. OR, you could save a lot of time and fantasy by reading the WCR |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #14 |
78. Oswald worked for CIA on high level assignments ... |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 01:35 PM Response to Reply #78 |
86. And who better to work on the Caribbean raids. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. I'm not sure what you're saying, but Oswald was CIA & a"patsy" .... |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #88 |
163. by "he was betrayed " you mean Gary Powers was betrayed. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 01:01 AM Response to Reply #163 |
196. Both IKE and Powers were betrayed ---- at this end .... |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #78 |
159. Your proof? We're waiting. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #159 |
160. CIA officer James B. Wilcott so testified to the HSCA. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #160 |
165. Thanks, Octafish. This is a perfect example of CT nuttery. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 08:12 PM Response to Reply #165 |
167. I underestand that Vince's "evidence" only works |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 09:10 PM Response to Reply #167 |
169. Read the book, then get back to me. Speculating is a waste of your time and mine. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #169 |
172. Using cherry-picked "evidence" is what's counter-productive. n/t |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 12:15 AM Response to Reply #172 |
173. Who's cherry picking? Those of us debunking the CT myths are doing so one myth |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 02:52 AM Response to Reply #169 |
177. I've read the abbreviated version. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #177 |
179. You are correct that the WCR itself has helped to fuel the CTs. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 11:39 PM Response to Reply #179 |
187. Well, they did refuse testimony that opposed their conclusion |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 01:10 AM Response to Reply #167 |
198. Yeah, Parkland doctors were just fakers -- knew nothing about gun wounds -- |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 01:05 AM Response to Reply #160 |
197. Many CIA employees came forward to say Oswald was CIA --- |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #14 |
181. Dallas |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
18. Sometimes I just want to SHAKE people |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #18 |
133. ''It's 'Fair Play for Cuba Committee.' Not 'Free Cuba Committee'.'' |
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Hotler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
19. Kicking! |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 12:55 AM Response to Reply #19 |
175. The JFK Assassination - Responses to a Student's Questions |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
24. Oswald was killed that Sunday. Game over. |
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OneBlueSky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 10:12 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. um . . . the best FBI marksmen couldn't duplicate the number and accuracy . . . |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. I have looked out that window several times. Easy shot. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 05:57 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Yep. IIRC, JFK was 88 yards away when Oswald fired the head shot. |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 07:02 PM Response to Reply #32 |
46. Or anyone who is decent at throwing rocks. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. You're wrong. The WC tests had shooters BETTERING Oswald's results |
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Truthbeknown (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #28 |
96. You and Gerald Posner are dead wrong |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 11:44 PM Response to Reply #96 |
117. I'v been a DU poster since the beginning. |
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Truthbeknown (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #117 |
145. Wow! I must have hit a nerve. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 06:41 PM Response to Reply #25 |
39. Actually several FBI marksman easily duplicated the shots using Oswald's rifle. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 06:48 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Thanks for your post. The CTers wish we'd just go away, |
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MinM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:57 PM Response to Reply #41 |
55. Kill Zone: A Sniper Looks at Dealey Plaza |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Here's my response to Craig Roberts' "Kill Zone": |
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MinM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. Good point. Roberts would have made a stronger case against tMBT |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:22 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Cue the theme music from The Twilight Zone. |
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Truthbeknown (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 07:01 PM Response to Reply #41 |
98. BS!!! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:30 PM Response to Reply #39 |
94. Deleted message |
jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #94 |
128. Whatever. The autopsy photos are pretty clear. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 11:48 PM Response to Reply #128 |
188. Correction Only one is clear: F8 |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 02:38 AM Response to Reply #188 |
204. Right, its even clear from the Zapruder film... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 01:16 AM Response to Reply #128 |
199. Bullet hole in back had NO OUTLET -- probed by Finck at autopsy --!!! |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 03:19 AM Response to Reply #128 |
205. Some of us operate from the theory that the Warren Commission was a sham... |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #205 |
211. You're grossly misrepresenting what Nixon said on the WH tape. |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #211 |
212. Even Gerald Ford admitted that the CIA was involved... |
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Truthbeknown (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 08:44 PM Response to Reply #39 |
113. You do not stand alone with your beliefs |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #113 |
129. I was also with the 13% who opposed the invasion of Iraq and who never approved of Bush. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #129 |
131. Touché! |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 09:29 PM Response to Reply #131 |
147. If the Bush Administration lied about WMDs in Iraq, wouldn't that be conspiracy? |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #147 |
154. Yes, the evidence shows that bush and his minions conspired to lie us into a |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #154 |
155. Deleted message |
Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #155 |
162. A fascinating read. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 09:12 PM Response to Reply #155 |
170. Don't tell me you believe 9/11 was a US/bush-bred conspiracy as well. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 01:20 AM Response to Reply #170 |
200. Don't tell me you DON"T believe 9/11 was a US/bush-bred conspiracy as well. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #200 |
210. No, I don't believe it. |
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Truthbeknown (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 09:20 PM Response to Reply #129 |
146. 13% who opposed the invasion of Iraq and who never approved of Bush? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 12:10 PM Response to Reply #25 |
81. Rifle had to be "repaired" BEFORE it could be tested --- |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 12:22 PM Response to Reply #81 |
134. No it didn't. And forensics experts say that only 10% of weapons fired have fingerprints. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #134 |
136. Thanks again for debunking these oft-stated myths of the CT crowd. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #134 |
151. Oh, now Oswald was so good he didn't even need a scope --!!!! |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 11:42 PM Response to Reply #151 |
152. What is your source for the claim that Oswald's rifle was "adapted for a |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #152 |
156. Since defendandprotect hasn't bothered providing a source for his claim that Oswald's rifle |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #156 |
157. Another JFK CT myth busted. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 01:22 AM Response to Reply #152 |
201. It's common knowledge rifle had to be repaired before tested ... |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #201 |
207. More statements that stand in contradiction to the evidence. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #24 |
182. Failure to Identify, Prosecute and Convict JFK's Assassins Has Led to Today's Crisis of Democracy. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
40. Here's a handy site that debunks most of the JFK CTs. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #40 |
52. Prof. McAdams is a professional debunker who's been caught practicing deception. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #52 |
62. Ha! What a laugh. The guy debunks the JFK CT BS so he MUST be a covert government agent!!! |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 11:13 PM Response to Reply #62 |
186. Does his website mention how he impersonated other people? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #52 |
90. Thank you - good to see this confirmation tho the stuff he writes is inane .... |
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Truthbeknown (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 07:08 PM Response to Reply #40 |
100. Why don't you just recommend |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
42. another kick for Octafish and the Truth |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #42 |
180. CIA Instructions to 'Media Assets' regarding assassination of President Kennedy |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 01:42 AM Response to Reply #180 |
202. GUILTY written all over it --- |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
44. Vince Bugliosi was on TV promoting his book. He said that he has |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 07:09 PM Response to Reply #44 |
101. Here's your Warren Commission's entire argument ... The Magic Bullet. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 07:18 PM Response to Reply #44 |
103. Regarding "Sorta like this thread on DU"... Allen Dulles stated the same thing about the Report. |
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Truthbeknown (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #44 |
106. I have read the WCR and it is |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
53. A debunking of the Bugliosi book |
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MinM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 10:07 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Another debunking of the Bugliosi book |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 10:52 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. Wow. A bunch of rantings by wing nut CT believers and you call it a debunking of Bugliosi. |
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MinM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:23 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. Liberals = wing nuts? |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:43 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. I'm a liberal who doesn't happen to be a CT wing nut. |
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Truthbeknown (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 07:17 PM Response to Reply #70 |
102. Ha! I guess anyone who questions the govt. line |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #56 |
72. BTW, Octafish, do you still believe the "Bledsoe" document is authentic? |
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Truthbeknown (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #72 |
108. Boy you spend a lot of time |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #108 |
158. No, I spent some time reading the WCR and Buglioisi's book on the subject, |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #72 |
110. BTW, do you believe the 26 volumes manufactured by the Warren Commission are authentic? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #53 |
92. Thank you, Octafish |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
57. There were a lot of questions in first thread which need some truth applied ... |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #57 |
183. Assassination as a Tool of Fascism |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 01:54 AM Response to Reply #183 |
203. Jim Marrs also has new book: The Rise Of The Fourth Reich |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
63. Hey Octafish, what do you know about Win Scott? |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:38 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. CIA Mexico City guys got Angleton to call off CIA investigator John Whitten. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:58 PM Response to Reply #69 |
97. Meant to write: ''Helms'' ordered Whitten off the investigation. |
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Perry Mason (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
74. Unfortunately |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. K&R -- |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #74 |
82. They have kept anyone who would expose them from power ... |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #74 |
184. Posada Carriles and the Kennedy assassination |
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southernyankeebelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
79. You were right |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #79 |
185. The Posthumous Assassination of JFK |
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peace frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
83. Thank you, Octafish |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 06:14 PM Response to Reply #83 |
219. Deception and Deceit: Media Coverage of JFK's Assassination |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
84. I would hate to see this headline |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 06:19 PM Response to Reply #84 |
220. I, too, would hate to see that headline. |
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bobthedrummer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
93. "What JFK Conspiracy Bashers Get Wrong" by Jefferson Morley (11-21-2007 Huffington Post) |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 08:16 PM Response to Reply #93 |
112. Huffington presented this nonsense ---??? |
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lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
95. Go ask George Bush Senior.. he knows.. it was the CIA..... |
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mfeher1971 (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
99. A Rebuttal to the JFK Conspiracy Posters |
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Truthbeknown (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 07:37 PM Response to Reply #99 |
109. What a crock!!! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 09:02 PM Response to Reply #99 |
114. You read 800 pages of the Warren Report--??? |
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mfeher1971 (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 12:05 AM Response to Reply #114 |
120. There was no George Walker. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 10:14 PM Response to Reply #120 |
148. Of course, we were talking about r-w fanatic Edwin Walker ... |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 11:25 PM Response to Reply #99 |
116. The evidence is overwhelming, as you point out. |
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mfeher1971 (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 11:58 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. Thank you for the clarification. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 12:15 AM Response to Reply #118 |
122. Well, the JFK assassination is a religion to the CT crowd, and like religion, |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 10:19 PM Response to Reply #118 |
149. Unfortunately the "evidence" was ordered held for 75 years --!! |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 12:58 AM Response to Reply #99 |
234. Thanks for posting this. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
105. kick |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #105 |
226. George de Mohrenschildt was friends with both Poppy Bush and Oswald. |
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lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
107. Bush Senior Killed JFK.. Bush Junior did 911... Not a conspiracy....fact. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 09:08 PM Response to Reply #107 |
115. Agree -- |
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mfeher1971 (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 12:10 AM Response to Reply #107 |
121. We'd all love to believe this, wouldn't we? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #121 |
150. Why would anyone "want" to believe something untrue--?? |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #150 |
236. Lots of people believe things that are untrue. Untruth is the basis of religion, after all. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-08 02:53 AM Response to Original message |
126. Happy Thanksgiving and a recommendation |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
216. Rifle scopes still set for left or right-handed shooters ... |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 05:22 PM Response to Reply #216 |
217. Yeah, you just don't get it, do you? |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 01:06 AM Response to Original message |
221. Watched a special tonight on the DC called "JFK: Inside The Target Car" |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 04:24 AM Response to Reply #221 |
222. kick |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 09:28 AM Response to Reply #221 |
223. Producer has since admitted to flaws in the documentary |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #223 |
224. Thanks for the updated info. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #223 |
225. I found Mack's comments etc at the DC website. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #225 |
227. Thanks. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #227 |
229. Thanks for the response. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 11:28 PM Response to Reply #229 |
231. another Zapruder version |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
228. Why must we find the WWI vets? |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 08:13 PM Response to Reply #228 |
230. Good writing is good editing. Sorry to, seemingly, blame the wrong subject. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 12:26 AM Response to Original message |
233. K&R |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 01:49 AM Response to Original message |
235. Alternate Zapruder interpretation |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-04-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #235 |
238. Watched it. Connally's testimony is compelling, but I'd wonder |
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TheUnspeakable (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-04-08 08:10 AM Response to Original message |
237. kicking this today in light of all the J.E.B. posts |
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