Californians: Arnold planning to massively raise car tax in CA!

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Considering Gray Davis was recalled because of the same car tax back in 2002, it's hypocritical of Arnold to do this.

And it's not like the average person has any money to burn.

[pepperbear]

1. raising taxes? a republican?

that'll become translated as "rino" by the freep set.

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3. But he is.

He's been pushing for tax increases since the summer.

[amdezurik]

2. well restore them to the level mandated

by the deal forced on Ca by a previous repuke gov when the budget triggers it

[davidinalameda]

4. the budget here is billions of dollars in the red

he has to do something

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16. He could have controlled spending better

That's what he ran on. If he was just going to raise taxes, he should have just left Gray Davis in charge. Damned Daryl Issa. He was the guy that got the recall started.

[davidinalameda]

29. well yeah but guess what

you have billions of dollars that have been pretty much frozen and have to go to dedicated areas according to various propositions passed throughout the years and the governor nor the legislature can touch these funds to change them

something like 5% of the budget goes to bond debt for example and no one can change that

[AlCzervik]

5. gee i remember him running on the exact opposite of that during the recall.

of course it's hypocritical and it never should have been rescinded and while Davis wasn't an action hero he also wasn't a failure.

I still love living here though.

[Spectral Music]

9. Exactly, and this was the main reason people went along with the recall.

Arnold has gone back on everything he ran on, but that is no surprise. Meanwhile, I am trying to figure out where I'm going to get the extra money (3 times the current amount) in my budget.

[omega minimo]

24. Yup. Boneheads.

[Canuckistanian]

6. A massive car tax. While the auto companies are struggling for air.

Wonderful logical reasoning there, Moronator.

[Spectral Music]

20. Yes. I just heard that there were cars in the ports because the dealerships aren't selling them

If people were thinking of buying a second car, tripling the car tax might lead them to reconsider.

[still_one]

7. Gray Davis was recalled because of the California republicans who wouldn't

accept the election results, and got enough signatures to put it on the ballot

The good news is that the republicans are in self-destruct mode

[mike_c]

8. oh stop it-- we're in a damned mess and the state MUST raise more revenue....

At least AS isn't so republican ideologue that he can't do what needs to be done. Yes, it sucks. But suck it up.

on edit: I'm in public service union and no friend of the gubernator. But we are in a world of shit.

[Spectral Music]

11. Some of us don't have the extra in our budget

Things have gotten rough recently and they are talking about raising the tax 3 times its normal rate.

[slutticus]

77. Yep. Shit sandwitch....meet mouth. *sigh*

[musette_sf]

10. um.... what a load.

IIRC, Gray Davis was NOT recalled "because of the... car tax".

Gray Davis was recalled because of a nefarious scheme to try and turn Cali red. participants in this crime included scumbag Darryl Issa.

this was all planned by the Repukes... in fact, Ahhnaldd was in attendance at one of Vampire Cheney's secret meetings back in 2001. a movie actor? why would a movie actor be invited? this was in the workings long before Issa acted as the front guy.

the recall election was the first, and only, election where electronic voting machines were used in some counties (mine included). i believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that the machines were gamed.

the car tax "rebate" was done to pander to the voters of Kahlifornyia to make them feel like "electing" Ahhnaldd was the right thing to do. i thought it was completely stupid pandering at the time.

so the deficit created by Ahhnaldd's "tax cut" has now come due. and now the whining begins.

[AlCzervik]

13. Issa should really fuck off and go back to stealing cars.

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18. word. nt

[Spectral Music]

22. How the hell did Issa get so much power anyway?

He was the one who started the recall effort.

[AlCzervik]

26. it was a group effort, that assbag Howard Kaloogian, there is no office he hasn't run for

and lost and a ton of out of state money and paid signature gatherers.

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28. Did Kaloogian think he would be governor?

I thought Issa wanted the job.

[AlCzervik]

30. they both wanted it.

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32. Greedy bastards.

And then Arnold came in and stole it from them.

[musette_sf]

40. aw geez

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_California_recall just for starters.

please, educate yourself about this if you are going to discuss it. Ahhnaldd "stole" nothing, he was going to be the candidate all along. it was all a huge setup. were you here then, or were you old enough to vote if you were here? you don't seem very knowledgeable about this.

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44. Wikipedia? Really?

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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46. considering that you seem to know ZERO about the recall

you have a pretty snotty attitude.

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47. LOL!!!!!!!!!!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

[musette_sf]

49. enjoy your stay

:eyes:

:popcorn:

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50. Thank you.

:hi:

[AlCzervik]

48. that i agree with, issa and Kaloogian, especially Issa got used up and cast aside

i remember seeing him crying on tv, i bet you remember that too, what a fool he was and still is.

[Spectral Music]

53. Yeah. I remember Issa thinking this was his chance.

He did the talk radio rounds and all that. He seemed to have a lot of support until the recall actually took place and then he was expendable.

[Cleita]

73. Issa really needs to be investigated. What we had in California

was a bloodless coupe, staged by him, to overthrow our recently elected Democratic Governer. Then a Republican replaced him. I can't believe he got the money to do it from selling car alarms. Out of state money and criminals aided and abetted him and then told him to go to hell after he did the work and installed the stupid Austrian muscle head instead. It's the same thing that happened this time with out of state interests and money doing the proposition 8 thing. Issa needs to be investigated and Arnold as well.

[EFerrari]

23. Thanks for the reality check. Enron, rolling blackouts, Kevin Shelley driven from office. n/t

[musette_sf]

27. dammit about Kevin!

and he sent me a very nice email in response to my email of support to him. a real stand-up guy. i hated that he got screwed. at least we now have Deborah Bowen, who has done a good job so far.

[davidinalameda]

31. he didn't get screwed

he was dirty and he got caught

[musette_sf]

34. sez the San Francisco Chronicle

others differ

[EFerrari]

39. The Chronicle is dirty. We were all watching CA 11 on election night

in 2006 in the Election Reform forum. Trouble reports coming in. I go over to the Chronicle blog and their election reporter says, brightly, everything is great! I was so happy that I was on DU and knew even the squat I knew and posted it to the blog with links to the trouble reports. My post got pulled. And it was just informative, no editorializing.

They're dirty, period, when it comes to CA elections and always, for some reason, in a way that benefits Republicans.

[musette_sf]

41. Bronstein

what a douche. i say we give the komodo dragon another shot at him.

[EFerrari]

45. LOL! Sonuvabitch. He's probably poisoonous. n/t

[EFerrari]

35. Really? I'd love to see a link to the convictions! Or even, to a prosecution.

Thanks, dwickham.

[davidinalameda]

57. google is your friend

have a blessed night

[EFerrari]

59. The truth is, there was neither.

[davidinalameda]

75. neither what?

innocent people don't resign from office

wonder what deals he made in order to stop from being indicted like Julie Lee?

[EFerrari]

78. You have no idea what the inside situation was, no matter the innuendo you toss around.

What you can know is that there was no prosecution as threatened and no conviction.

'Way to invert innocent until guilty, dwickham.

God, I hope you never get you for a juror.

[EFerrari]

33. That was pretty much the end of my relationship with the Chronicle.

They led the way -- I hope their compensation was adequate.

I don't know if you remember this, but they started up on Deborah, too? I remember calling her political people and telling them, we were writing back into the bullshit. And I flat out emailed Diaz at the Chron and told him if he tried to kneecap Deborah as he did Kevin, he'd have an uphill battle on his hands. Oh, man. I let him have it. That's the first time he didn't reply to me and the last time I'll write to him off the record. :grr:

[tularetom]

36. Davis was not recalled because of the car tax

But the car tax was the pretext that was used to mask the true intent of those behind the recall - like cheney, enron, and others trying to get rich from CA's energy supply problems.

Davis was an ass and having him no longer be governor is not bad in and of itself. What is bad is that he was replaced by an even bigger ass and the problems have just gotten worse. Local government in CA is in deep shit. We have already seen the bankruptcy of a medium sized city here in Norcal and I wouldn't be surprised to see others follow. The state has glommed onto funds previously disbursed in subventions to cities and counties, leaving locals unable to replace cops, firemen, and sanitation workers who resign or retire.

Well, as a friend of mine once said we are finally getting the government we pay for, and nobody's happy.

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43. Then why was he recalled?

I don't know if you heard but Yorba Linda (where the Freeway fire burned this weekend) had low water pressure in the Hidden Hills area and the fire hydrants didn't have enough water pressure for the fire fighters. The houses up there just burned to the ground and the fire fighters were unable to do anything. Now the city of Yorba Linda and the water district of Yorba Linda are passing the blame around, and the water commission--all elected officials--has hired a public relations firm to keep the fire victims from asking the commission any questions.

[tularetom]

55. He was recalled to stop him from suing Enron on behalf of the citizens of CA

to recover the 9 billion bucks they stole from us in 2000-2001. Ahnuld was selected because he was already under orders to let the Enron thing drop/ The car tax bullshit was just something to get the dumshits pissed off enough at Davis to kick him out.

Your story about the low water pressure is very interesting. There are legal standards for the operators of public water systems and it appears as though these folks failed to conform to those standards. Sounds to me as though the water district may face some serious liability issues behind this event.

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61. Oh I see. That makes sense.

The water district in Yorba Linda is hiding behind a PR firm from LA. Meanwhile, there are all these stories of people who couldn't get their garden hoses to work (they were trying to hose down their houses) because there was no water. One house had a swimming pool and the family used the pool water to douse some flames on their lawn. But, basically, no one could do anything. I think it's something like 118 houses that burned down in Yorba Linda. Apparently a water pump station burned in the fire too. The whole thing is a mess.

[Spectral Music]

64. If we were to get a governor that was so inclined, could we still sue Enron?

They are still around actually. Apparently they have an online division thingy that was spun off.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

12. Dear Arnold the Austrian, please use electric cars first!

Arnold you could join us and become a Democratic. It's not too late?

[musette_sf]

14. hell no, i don't want him

he's an unqualified idiot who was illegally selected.

however, i do think he will go Dem soon. you can't be married to the Kennedy family and stay a Puke forever.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

21. I think he will come

[Waiting For Everyman]

15. How about a nice luxury tax instead?

[Spectral Music]

17. Yeah, where are all those stars when you need them?

I'm sure Stephen Spielburg could help out.

[gristy]

19. Car taxes can be made nicely progressive, and usually are

They tax newer cars a lot more.

[Spectral Music]

25. That's true, but even tripling my current tax (which is what they are talking about)

is too much. I have an older car, paid off, good emissions. I just am trying to make ends meet.

[Hekate]

37. Far, far worse, he is dismantling the college system. Hubby, a community college prof...

... is well and truly sickened by the spectacle. There is just no money in the budget -- but this is suicidal for the future of the state.

Hekate

[Spectral Music]

38. What is happening exactly?

Thanks.

[Hekate]

54. I'll try to dig up the recent relevant LA Times articles when I come back later tonight

Hubby is really upset. I think it's been coming for awhile, but ...

[Spectral Music]

56. Thank you. I have fond memories of Santa Monica College

where I took some classes. It was a really good school.

[EFerrari]

42. Oh, no! What is he doing?

I saw a report on the increases in tuition to the state system! I didn't pay as much to go to Cal for grad school. I couldn't afford it at all today, even with the grants and scholarships I won. :shrug:

[mike_c]

58. our budgets have been bled dry-- I cannot begin to express my disgust...

...for what's happening to the CSU. We're being throttled. This spring the CSU will turn away qualified Californians for the first time in our history. The dream of a state sponsored education for all who merit it is dying, right now.

[Spectral Music]

62. Where is the money going?

There is money in that state budget. Who is getting it if CSU isn't? I know that the UCs are also taking hits.

[mike_c]

65. prisons, among others....

The state prison budget is about to exceed California expenditures on higher education.

[EFerrari]

68. Joan Didion wrote about that in Where I was From.

Before reading that, I was totally ignorant that the prison guard union was so powerful in this state.

[Spectral Music]

80. We are paying more for PRISONS than COLLEGES????

What?

(Where do I find info on this?)

[EFerrari]

63. This just breaks my heart to hear. In the mid 80s, if you worked hard

at your grades and at your financial aid, you could put the money together to stay in school.

Is anyone fighting this? I've been away from that kind of news a long time. :(

[mike_c]

71. well, the union is fighting (CFA and others)....

There are others, but the state budget is awful. We're shutting down programs at my CSU, and running the best ones on a bare shoestring. Google for recent articles about the plight of the CSU. It's bad.

I wasn't kidding about the CSU turning away qualified Californians for the first time in its history. We got a notice from the Chancellor's office a few days ago. This year we limit enrollment. My heart is breaking too.

[AlCzervik]

51. there was a story on the local news about funding yesterday and the big pay raises

that were given out, students and profs. are getting fucked over big time but the admins seem to be gettin by just fine, no really well actually.

[Spectral Music]

52. Admins always get theirs first.

I know that the support staff has been asked to reduce some of their hours.

[EFerrari]

66. I can't believe what has happened to California schools.

I was so lucky to go to public school in the late sixties and seventies and to college in the 80s. My kids, less lucky. Kids right now, :shrug:

My schools were so good. All the way from grammar school to my community college -- which was a real college, not a scam dressed up as a business school. And when I went to University, it was almost affordable, not a contract to indenture myself.

That's the thing about these last 15 years that cuts the most. Our schools.

[AlCzervik]

67. prop 13 and the evil Howard Jarvis help gut education funds.

i hope Jarvis is roasting.

[EFerrari]

70. Me, too. When I went to grade school, we had a fulltime nurse

and a school psychologist. We learned a foreign language and had PE every day. We had art and science and social studies and creative writing and if you didn't have a pencil, the teacher had one for you. We had books and paper and while everyone said "Don't waste it!", we were never so stressed out that it hurt what we were doing -- learning.

Ditto for the community college I went to. De Anza. It was grand. People had their choice of tracks and the staff and facaulty were first rate.

It makes me want to WEEP.

[Hekate]

79. Link to LA Times article on Cal State University budget cuts

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-csu18-2008nov18,0,855248.story

CSU may cut future enrollment by 10,000

For the first time, the system might turn away qualified students. Minority and low-income groups would probably be hardest hit by the cuts, which could amount to a 10% drop in freshman enrollment.
By Gale Holland
November 18, 2008
The California State University system for the first time in its history is proposing to turn away qualified students due to a worsening state budget crisis.
As part of a plan to slash its 450,000 enrollment by 10,000 students for the 2009-2010 academic year, the 23-campus system, the nation's largest, will push up application deadlines and raise the academic bar for freshmen at its most popular campuses, Chancellor Charles B. Reed said Monday. <snip>
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The article is about State Universities, but where we are is the Community College.

In addition to denying admission to thousands of qualified students they are moving up the application deadlines for CSU without notice--as of yesterday, November 30 is the deadline. None of my husband's community college students were aware of this, and they couldn't even process it when he told them. Finally one young woman blurted out "That's not fair!" And all he could say was, "You're right! It's not!"

He also told them that if they have any notion of completing any of his certificates, to do it in the Spring because there are no guarantees of anything after that. His college is being told that any class that has fewer than 20 enrolled will be cancelled, no exceptions. Any classes not directly related to a major will be dropped. And on and on.

Community colleges are the place everyone is supposed to get a start in, but every time fees are raised, the poorest have to drop out. This is beyond fee raising; it is really squeezing everyone by diminishing classes and space for classes and numbers of instructors.

Back in 1965 I got my start at a community college in California, and it was a fine education. At the time it was not only dirt cheap, but my grades there entitled me to transfer to any of the University of California campuses, like Berkeley or UCLA. UC was also cheap at the time. Various of my classmates took 2-year vocational courses, like nursing and electronics, that allowed them to earn a good living when they were done. I have loved and admired the community college system ever since, so this is particularly painful.

Hekate

[MzNov]

60. Gov. Meathead has driven CA into the ground.

Financially he's one of the worst ever. He sucks. And we're all going to pay dearly for it.

How's it coming with his proposed 9.75% sales tax? Oh yeah, it's supposed to be "temporary".

Sure Governator. Sure. :sarcasm: :grr: :grr:

[mike_c]

72. prop 13 drove California into the ground....

We did it to ourselves.

[MzNov]

74. I think massive financial incompetence might have helped

[Cleita]

69. Not only that I just got the word from my kitty's vet that he wants

to add a sales tax to veterinary services. Well, stupid Ahhnold has finally realized that the only way he can fix California's budget is to raise taxes, but he's doing the typical recessive tax things that Republicans do. He just won't go after the mega rich for the taxes, of which California has an abundance of to get them. He'd rather cut wages on government employees and now put a recessive sales tax, which hurts the poor.

[ContinentalOp]

76. When is somebody going to come from the future to save us from this asshole? -nt-