I don't undersatand CA

[Dragonbreathp9d]

How can they go overwhelmingly Obama, yet still be 52% bigoted fucking assholes

[gateley]

1. Agree. nt

[stopbush]

9. Is gay marriage allowed in your state? Just asking.

[gateley]

13. I just moved back here last Tuesday after living in NC for seven years, so

I honestly don't know (although I'm sure I would have seen it on the news.)

Washingtonians have always been respectful of civil rights, so I'm hopeful that it would pass if it came to a vote. Citizens just approved a Death With Dignity law -- assisted suicide.

[Captain Hilts]

2. How can DUers be so senstive to racism, but not sexism? We've all got contradictions. nt

[midnight]

8. That is an interesting point you make. I wondered the same?

But I always thought that California was more progressive towards individual rights. I don't know why I thought that.

[marlakay]

3. Its not like that, they just don't understand or have

religious belief systems that won't let them understand. My mom and older daughter and her husband all voted yes on it. I tried and tried but to no good. My younger daughter and I talked about it and said well at least we got them to change from republican to dem on pres. They all voted for obama. Last time my older daughter voted for Bush because of abortion.

I guess you have to start somewhere and only hope for the future...maybe having president obama people will finally learn to be more humble, openminded and less judgemental.

[MindPilot]

4. Tens of millions of out-of-state tax-free dollars from the churches

Christians have more money to promote homophobia than we do to combat it.

[wiggs]

5. I apologize for my state. Two points to make...

....this will be overturned

...RWrs in CA didn't spend on presidential election that was a foregone conclusion...they spent on prop 8. HUGE ad buys and volunteer efforts. I talked to one naive person who thought the intent of 8 was to require teaching about gay marriage in schools. This is what the ads were selling: confusion and fear.

[marlakay]

10. by the way that was why my relatives voted yes on 8

it was about teaching in the schools. I didn't hear about that until after they voted so i could fact check it for them. I live in WA so not up on the whole thing.

[nomorenomore08]

6. Obama himself is rather ambivalent on the gay marriage issue, so it doesn't surprise me that much.

So often, otherwise decent people are held back in one way or another by confining notions of tradition or propriety. The social conditioning that "gay = bad," which I would think to be stronger in someone Obama's age than in an 18-year-old voter of today, is a hard thing to overcome.

[stopbush]

12. Obama came out against Prop 8 in July. No ambivalence whatsoever.

[remember2000forever]

18. Didn't you hear his acceptance Speech?

He called for unity and included the words Gay and Straight

[nomorenomore08]

20. I know he did, but he's waffled on the issue in the past. Including using the "civil unions" copout.

You might say it was political necessity, and you might be right, but I sense that much like John Edwards, Obama wants to do the right thing but is somewhat held back by social/religious indoctrination. As evidenced by his opposition to Prop 8, he doesn't seem to be "anti-", but maybe he can't quite bring himself to be full on "pro-".

[stopbush]

24. Perhaps he wanted to get elected first?

There's a time to go to the mat on things, and Obama now has the power to do something significant. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he came out strongly in favor of gay marriage in the near future as a civil rights issue.

[nomorenomore08]

25. I think there's a lot of truth to that, and it is hard to parse out personal beliefs

from political calculations. Hopefully you're right, and President Obama WILL do the right thing on civil rights issues.

[stopbush]

7. Simple answer: religion. Simpler answer: the Christian religion.

Any questions?

[Jed Dilligan]

11. It's all a matter of time.

People have been fighting for equal rights for African Americans since the eighteenth century. People have been fighting for gay rights since the mid-twentieth century. The anti-gay backlash is occurring in the context of enormous advances for gay acceptance. Look at the vote breakdown by age. Sure, there are some young people who take the kool-aid, but I would be willing to bet that the bulk of support comes from people with one foot in the grave. Obama won partly because the racist old farts that elected Reagan and Bush I are dead now. Someday, the last racist will die, but we will have to wait a while longer for the last homophobe to die.

[lonestarnot]

14. At least Arizona is total bigoted fucking asshole!

:puke: A title I'm sure the majority here are proud of for their own despicable freakness. I will never again tell anyone where I was born.

[la la]

15. we fight on....what more can i say?............n/t

[underseasurveyor]

16. I'm still trying to figure that one out

I don't get it either. I'm very disappointed and disgusted.

[Cleita]

17. It's the churches that spread the gay bigotry.

I'm sure many African Americans voted yes on eight because their pastors told them it was the right thing to do. I find it especially hypocritical for Catholics since so many of the priests are closeted gays.

[Fresh_Start]

19. about 1 million Obama voters supported prop 8

I voted against 8. I fully expect the courts to overturn it.

[maxsolomon]

21. but the intent was to take it out of the court's hands

by making it a constitutional amendment, was it not?

[Fresh_Start]

22. yes, but

you can't make an amendment which is in conflict with other provisions of the constitution

I believe that ultimately prop 8 will prove to be unconstitutional

[scorpiogirl]

23. I don't either!

And I live here. The disdain I feel for anyone who voted yes is palpable. I think I'm going to turn into a real bitch for the next while.