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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:31 PM
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So the Bible says it's ok to inject hormones into a developing fetus?
Edited on Sat Mar-17-07 03:50 PM by SoCalDem
What book of the Bible is THAT gem in?

and what expectant mother on earth would allow a doctor to shoot hormones into her baby?

what kind of doctor would even suggest it?

these are the same folks who scream and holler about the "possiblity" of selection via in vitro, and yet they think it's OK to
meddle" if there's a possibility that the fetus "might be" gay? :wtf:

and just HOW does a "gay baby" act?

What kind of parent would assume that their child "might" end up gay (or not gay).?

The LAST thing on most parents' minds when they are expecting a child, is how that yet-unborn child will interact sexually in 16 years.

THESE PEOPLE ARE PSYCHOTIC...and abnormally sexually-fixated. THEY are the sickos.


link:
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/0-3&fp=45fce...
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sir_captain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:33 PM
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1. What are you talking about?
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:34 PM
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2. I'd love a link please
this is something I haven't head about.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:35 PM
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3. *cough*
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:36 PM
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4. Wouldn't It Be Easier Just To Curtail Gay Sperm
like Cheney's?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:44 PM
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5. "How many of them hormones you taking, honey?"
--Ninny Threadgoode in Fried Green Tomatoes
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:45 PM
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6. Aren't these the same folks who argue against stem cell?
For those of you who haven't heard about it, there is a minister who proclaims you may be able to tell if a child will be born gay and correct that "problem" before they are born. I would post a link, but I can't find one yet. It was discussed yesterday and this morning.
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:45 PM
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7. Here's a link
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:49 PM
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8. Thanks.. I forgot to include a link
:(
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:50 PM
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9. Umm... your second premise is a bit faulty.
I had to take progesterone my first trimester to keep from losing the baby which is, in effect, "shooting hormones" into my fetus. Many people have to take hormonal supplements whilst pregnant.

BTW, I know what you're talking about and I think the discussion should be whether women would or wouldn't "fix the gay" by taking hormones, not whether it says so in the Bible.

I contend that many people WOULD opt to take a few hormones if it meant their child wouldn't be gay and not necessarily because they're anti-gay, but because they know what hell their child might have to face from the outside world growing up gay.

:shrug:
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:03 PM
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11. Not wanting to put words in
another's mouth but I think the point is not about the medical procedures but rather that is the Bible thumping right that is promoting this idea. It's about their hypocrisy on so many issues involved around this it makes my head spin.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:08 PM
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13. That's inherently homophobic
<<<I contend that many people WOULD opt to take a few hormones if it meant their child wouldn't be gay and not necessarily because they're anti-gay, but because they know what hell their child might have to face from the outside world growing up gay.>>>

That's like saying it'd be OK to inject hormones in order to prevent a child from being black, or brown, or yellow.
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:50 PM
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10. Oh, but I thought "gay" was a "lifestyle choice?"
Honestly, these folks need to get a grip........and a life.

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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:04 PM
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12. And when it isn't a choice anymore they
will still consider it a sin.

Just my prediction.
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:34 PM
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16. There will be some level of crisis of faith for some people
I know an awful lot of people who seem to think it's a sin only because they think it's a choice. If it is proven to not be a choice, there will be some heads exploding.

My guess is about half will think it's still a sin and half will say, "If God did it, it was done on purpose, and is therefore OK." Maybe that's optimistic.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:39 PM
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17. yep they do
Part of original sin according to the Baptist guy.
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:18 PM
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14. They must stop God from playing God
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:32 PM
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15. The only time it makes sense to meddle with fetuses
is when there is a risk of miscarriage or severe birth defect or something. Something that would cause ongoing medical problems for the rest of the person's life. Any medical interference has risks, so the risk of doing nothing would have to be greater than the risk of doing something. I can't imagine how any doctor could justify doing something like that.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:41 PM
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18. Return of Eugenics, it seems...
Unfortunately, there may be potential little Hitlers that would embrace such insanity...
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 02:53 AM
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20. It's amazing how really bad ideas keep returning
Only now there are advanced technologies that could actually make those bad ideas "work".. :scared:
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 06:53 PM
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19. Semi-Sarcasm
This post is LOADED full of :sarcasm: Sort of.

For years religionists of many persuasions have argued that homosexuality was a choice made by people. And that they made this choice because they were weak and allowed Satan into their hearts to cause them to have these "immoral desires." However, in the face of more and more compelling scientific evidence which suggests that there may instead be a genetic predisposition for homosexuality, they're changing tactics and now trying to label this former sin as a disease. And not any disease, but a treatable one that can be addressed through hormone injections of pregnant mothers. They argue that like any other malady suffered by innocent babes, they have a moral responsibility to correct this problem (they always trot out the babies when theyre looking to sucker you into believing something like stem cells. And because theyre so cute!!!). They say that this is no different than any other sin, disease where a fetus had a birth defect. Like say, autism.

But unlike autism, which impedes ones ability to learn and brain to develop properly, homosexuals suffer only to the extent of the limitations of their own individual brain capacities. That is, there are smart homosexuals, and dumb ones too. Gregarious ones, and shy wallflowers. Swishy ones and closeted ones like Mark Foley, Ted Haggard, and most every other sexually repressed Republican. The only "deficiency" that homosexuality seems to exhibit is its noncompliance with the 5,000 to 6,000 year old beliefs that were held by a nomadic desert people whose religion has survived into present-day. These were the people who once stabbed little lambs and doves, and then burnt them on an altar to appease their jealous god. People who believed in witches, unicorns and sea monsters. Oh, and that the world was flat. They dont talk about this part much. And they did it without hormone injections. Its a MIRACLE! But these are the believers who are now attempting to impose these tenets upon everyone else. Whether anyone else believes this shit, or not.

This is all very ironic given that before the development of medical science, when babies were born with deficiencies or when people suffered illnesses or death, it was then seen as "the will of god." We were told, "he moves in mysterious ways," when he killed the innocent and otherwise perfectly respectable folk. That explained away everything. All his atrocious acts of killing and suffering were just m-y-s-t-e-r-i-o-u-s. Were not to question them. But given that homosexuality was never seen as the will of god by these believers but rather, the will of the devil, they are now arguing that it isnt a sin. Not really. And that medical science can not only likely correct this sin, but eliminate it altogether. Which leads one to question whether or not other sins are likewise treatable.

Take George Bush for example. Its clear to many that he is a sociopath. Is sociopathy a genetic disease? Is it treatable? Would its successful treatment end politics as we know it today? And what about adultery? Now thats a pretty BIG SIN with most religionists. At least for the ones not committing it. So shouldnt we devote the necessary resources to science toward finding a cure for this? It has among the various sins, the virtue of probably being the most prevalent of all the sins. So shouldnt we try and eliminate the sins that affect the most people? Think of the happiness that would ensue. Divorce would become nonexistent. Of course everyone would also be limited to the missionary position during sex. Like Adam wanted.

Now Im not sure what gene it is that causes the coveting of ones neighbors possessions and asses and maidservants and such. Well call it the "greed gene." But Im sure that with the proper insight, motivation and dedication, we can eliminate "ass coveting" if we put our minds to it. Think of it we could accomplish so much:

* Wed get rid of all those other pesky gods that "other people" worship.

* The Vatican would be reduced to the size of a lemonade stand once all those "graven images" are gone.

* No more using the word "goddamn" (the lords name in vain - so say goodbye to standup comedy).

* No more lack of respect for, and better honoring of ones parents (rock n roll - gone).

* Wed insure that everyone went to church, and no one would ever be allowed to work on Sundays again. (no more NFL???)

* And of course war would have to go since the sin of "killing" would be wiped out. (well at least we'd be rid of Halliburton)

* And the insurance companies would take a beating once thievery and deceit is genetically eliminated. (Not to mention the private prison industry).

* And the legal industry would be next since there wouldnt be anymore bearing of false witness. (Not the innocent clients, I'm talking about the lawyers).

So you see, we can start with the Ten Commandments and go from there. Why the list is almost endless. And when were through, well all be perfect. Just like Jesus. We wont need to go to no stinkin heaven then. What would be the point? Wed already have a sort of heaven right here on earth with all the perfect people wed create. And when you think about it, wed be correcting gods mistakes. Hes proven himself to be such a klutz when it comes to this creation shit. He created the first Eve (she calls herself Lillith now), and Adam complained to god because she refused to be a bottom for him (lord knows what else he wanted her to do, but you must remember that he learned all about sex from watching animals. Maybe he did more than just watch?) Anyway, so god turns ol Lillith into an evil spirit, destined to haunt little children with laughter in their sleep. Along with causing wet dreams among men and women for eternity.

And then, like Microsoft has done after him, god created a patch and we ended up with Eve 2.0. Even then, he still botched everything up by allowing his bad angels to escape from heaven and mate with earth women. The next thing you know all hell has broken loose and hes forced to drown everybody like so many unwanted puppies or kittens and start all over again with Noah. Noah The Naked Wino.

But in the end, he still screwed this up as well. It seems that wherever and whenever you see gods handiwork, death and destruction are sure to follow. If he were a contractor, theyd have taken his license away eons ago. So in the end, god is reduced to giving everyone the free "get out of hell" option. You remember Jesus. The son he created to die for "our" imperfections that in fact are really HIS imperfections. Talk about living in denial. We just have to accept his son as the savior, and bingo were set for eternity. I mean we know were born imperfect. And we know that it isnt even possible for us to achieve perfection. But Jesus takes care of that little problem for us. So whats the big deal with the hormones????

Of course that doesnt stop the preachers from still trying to make us perfect. Like with these hormone treatments. But again, whats the point? If were already saved once we accept gods son, and will get to go to heaven anyhow once we get our hands stamped as having "paid the price" then what's the need for injections??? I think that these folks just need to reconcile themselves to having gays in heaven. I dont think they can stop it. Even if they can stop gayness in heaven with hormone injections, what about the ones already there?

The way I see it, they should just accept that this is just one more example of gods creation screw-ups and leave it at that. Just like he screwed-up all the rest of us. Or was it the devil? Or god? Or the devil? Or god? Or the devil? Or god? Or the devil? Or god? Or the devil? Or god? Or the devil? Or god? Or the devil? Or god? Or the devil? Or god? Or the devil? Or god????

:shrug:
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