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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 04:57 PM
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Freeper starting the Obama resistance, modeled after the French
Edited on Thu Oct-30-08 05:26 PM by Fuzz
And it's the famous crazy Doug from Upland doing it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2120044/posts

NOTE: if the unthinkable happens, the Obama victory that seems likely, we can take lessons from the French Resistance. Today, I reserved theobamaresistance.com. I hope we don't need it, but if this Manchurian Candidate takes power, I fear for the future of the United States. He will be fought from day one.

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The French Resistance played a vital part in aiding the Allies to success in Western Europe - especially leading up to D-Day in June 1944. The French Resistance supplied the Allies with vital intelligence reports as well as doing a huge amount of work to disrupt the German supply and communication lines within France.

The surrender of France in June 1940, was a major blow to many French people in terms of their pride. Many believed that the government had let the people down. The creation of a Nazi-approved Vichy government, primarily in the centreand south of the country, was, in the minds of many, further proof that politicians had let down France. The resistance movement developed to provide the Allies with intelligence, attack the Germans when possible and to assist the escape of Allied airmen.

In the immediate aftermath of the June 1940 surrender, France went into a period of shock. The public had been assured that the French army, along with the Maginot Line, was more than strong enough to resist a German attack. The speed and severity of Blitzkrieg had shocked the French people. The non-occupied region of France, known as Vichy France, was set up by the Germans and governed by Marshall Pétain. His reputation was still high and in the early days of Vichy, his leadership gave it some stability and kudos. Also in the days after the British attack on Mers el Kébir, there was a degree of anti-British sentiment in France. Therefore, there was no immediate drive to create a resistance movement en masse in central and southern France.

On June 18th, 1940, Charles de Gaulle addressed the people of France from London. He called on the French people to continue the fight against the Germans. This message hit hard in occupied France but initially it was less well received in Vichy France. Regardless of what many thought of the Vichy government, the area they controlled was run by French people. However, when the Vichy government began to openly collaborate with the Germans, attitudes hardened.

The French Resistance movement is an umbrella term which covered numerous anti-German resistance movements that were based within France. There were resistance movements that took direct orders from the Special Operations Executive, there was the communist resistance, groups loyal to de Gaulle, regional resistance movements that wanted independence etc. In the north, the target was simply the Germans while in the south, the Vichy government was a target as well as the Germans. The first resistance movements were in the north, such as the OCM (Organisation Civile et Militaire) and by the end of 1940, six underground newspapers were being regularly printed in the north. In May 1941, the first SOE agent was dropped into northern France to assist the work of the resistance.

Because of the peculiar political complexities of France, the resistance movement got off to a difficult start. However, by June 1941, the resistance movement had become more organised and its work against the Germans increased accordingly. Two dates are important in explaining the work of the resistance movement in France.

On June 22nd 1941, all the communist groups within France joined forces to create one group. This simple act greatly increased its potency. On November 11th 1942, German forces occupied the whole of France. This meant that the whole country was occupied and the attitude of the north quickly transferred itself to the south.

The German attack on Russia - Operation Barbarossa - led to many French communists joining the resistance movement. Politics took a back step and the French communists gained a reputation for being aggressive and successful resistance fighters. Many French people joined as the support for Vichy quickly waned. Many in the south were angered by the compulsory labour service that had been brought in. But the treatment of the Jews was a major cause of resentment towards the Vichy government and many joined the resistance as a means of fighting against a policy that the vast majority found abhorrent.

The relationship between Britain and the French Resistance movement was vital. Britain, via the SOE, supplied the French with equipment and trained agents. The French Resistance, in turn, supplied vital intelligence reports. As an example, the British attack on the radio base at Bruneval in 1942 could have been a lot more costly in terms of lives lost, if the British had not received intelligence reports from the resistance with regards to the building of new blockhouses there. With such information, the British paratroopers could plan accordingly.

Though the British government and de Gaulle could have a difficult relationship at times, in October 1941, both reached a compromise with regards to resistance operations in France. de Gaulle set up a Central Intelligence and Operations Agency with the support of the British. This acted independently but planning was carried out in co-operation with the SOE which supplied equipment. Agents sent into France started a general re-grouping of all resistance movements and a Conseil National de la Résistance movement was established which was subordinated to de Gaulle. By the end of 1942, de Gaulle became head of the Comité Français de Libération Nationale which headed all resistance movements in France. As a result of this greater organisational security, the resistance became more effective in 1943. Attacks on the French rail system increased greatly. Between January and June 1943, there were 130 acts of sabotage against rail lines each month. By September 1943, this had increased to 530. The disruption to the Germans ability to move equipment was massive.

By 1944, it is estimated that there were 100,000 members of the various resistance movements that existed in France. Just one year earlier, there were just 40,000 members.. By the spring of 1944, there were 60 intelligence cells whose task was solely to collect intelligence as opposed to carrying out acts of sabotage. In the build up to D-Day, the intelligence they gathered was vital. In May 1944 alone, they sent 3,000 written reports to the Allies and 700 wireless reports. Between April and May, the resistance destroyed 1,800 railway engines. When this figure is added to the 2,400 destroyed by Allied bombers, it is easy to understand why the Germans had such difficulty transporting equipment across France.

Post-war analysis of the success of the resistance shows that the 150 most successful acts of sabotage against factories in France between 1943 and 1944, used just 3,000 lbs of explosives - the equivalent of the bomb load of one single Mosquito plane.

EDITED TO ADD THIS RESPONSE:

“They” can’t be everywhere, and I don’t think that Orwell envisioned 250-300 million guns owned by 85-90 million people. Even if 3% decide to resist, you’re generally talking about the best armed, most skilled and most motivated people - plus their friends and families that are willing to help them in some fashion or other.

There are also ways to defeat or degrade thermal imaging, and IR technology is available to the public (albeit at a cost).

In short, it really, really sucks if “they” target you (like in “Enemy of the State”), but a citizen that doesn’t come to anyone’s attention because he/she lies low has no such problem.


25 posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:23:33 PM by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation dedicated to stopping the Obamination from becoming President)
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Damn terrorists, and once again, a movie reference.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 04:59 PM
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1. They better start layin' on the portapotties NOW!!
2 per freeper is the bare minimum for the resistance!



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SouthernerforObama Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:25 PM
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19. When was this?
The picture you posted of the Iraq War Rally - when was that? lol
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:26 PM
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20. 2002
Edited on Thu Oct-30-08 05:27 PM by KG
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Puregonzo1188 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 07:17 PM
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51. I believe it was September 2005, here's a picture of the what antiwar rally looked like
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 04:59 PM
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2. Aren't they the ones always making fun of the French? n/t
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:00 PM
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3. That's just one of the strange things about that post.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:02 PM
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4. way too much talk radio for this one -- his brain needs detox
My wife reminds me they said this kind of shit about JFK too.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:04 PM
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6. OMG! OMG! The Pope will move into the White House and rule
us. (I have always lived among the Freepers.)
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:02 PM
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5. why those traitorous fools, didn't they constantly tell us we had to SUPPORT our President?
didn't they??

:shrug:
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:04 PM
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9. Yeah, they DID, didn't they! You can't question your President during a time of war!
This is America!

They should love it, or leave it!

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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:20 PM
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17. 'zactly!! They must be a bunch of Commies or something eh? n/t
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 06:15 PM
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42. Well that's diffrint! He wasnt a N****R!!1!!!!!!11!!!!
All sarcasm aside, that's really what this is about, isn't it?

Sick KKK fucks. :puke:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:04 PM
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7. They'll put an eye out.
:rofl:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:04 PM
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8. Those idiots have obviously watched too many WWII movies
and spent too little time in class:)
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:19 PM
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16. or re-runs of Hogan's Heroes
from the looks of it.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:04 PM
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10. Wouldn't talk about using explosives against the government earn a secret service visit?
Edited on Thu Oct-30-08 05:06 PM by Bleachers7
I see an uncomfortable prison sentence in this idiot's future.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:06 PM
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11. The French resistance was mostly a joke. There was much
more collaboration than resistance.
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:23 PM
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18. Not according to the Reagan revised history texts, they single handedly fought the German
army until america and Ronnie Reagan rode in on his big white horse and saved France. In fact there was even a movie made about the hero's of France. Btw, I thought freepers were anti French after France said Saddam had no WMD's? Or did they forgive France and are back to calling French fries French fries instead of freedom fries? It's kind of hard keeping up with freepers, by the way, what are they going to do rename all the state buildings to protest Obama?

I mean come on, these are freepers, you know the 101st keyboarders, they really have no history of military take overs and 3 of them in a room is called a hugh gathering!!!!!!!1111!!!!!11!!!! See this is way you should spay or neuter your freepers, they breed and spread more stupidity.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:42 PM
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28. Which history texts did Reagan Edit.
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 06:10 PM
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38. Dude it was a freaking joke, freepers think Reagan did everything
sheeeeeeeeeeeeesh
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:59 PM
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34. now that comment shows a serious lack of critical thinking.
How sad. That collaborators far outnumbered those who actively resisted, doesn't make the French Resistance a joke. It certainly wasn't a joke for those who put their lives on the line- including those who lost them. I suggest you read Marc Bloch.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:09 PM
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12. The Fuckers over there always make fun of the French. Now they want to imitate them?
They won't last long when they start blowing up federal buildings and liberal churches.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:10 PM
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13. Wait...I thought the French were 'surrender monkeys'.
When did that change?
I didn't get the memo.
Are French fries back in too?
jeez
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:41 PM
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27. The French Right Wing were
They found much in common with the German Right Wing. As a French aristocrat explained it later in the documentary, The Sorrow And The Pity, the whole of Europe was dividing into armed camps of left and right during the 1930s: the German Nazis were merely the most visible & extreme exponents of Fascism, and catalyst of a continent wide process. It had begun in Italy, spread to Spain as a local armed conflict, and after Sept 1939 was a world war. One had to take a side eventually, and the coming of war brought the polarization to every corner of Europe. You were left or you were right, in the middle was only barbed wire and corpses. And as a member of the old regime opposed to the atheism and socialism of the left, he chose to join the German S.S. and fought for Hitler on the Eastern front.

The Freeper is just in error about WHICH French characters from the war period he most resembles.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:53 PM
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33. Exactly. We'll see the GOPers suddenly watching V and taking notes. n/t
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 06:12 PM
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40. At least they'll have plenty of cheese to go with their whine
Edited on Thu Oct-30-08 06:16 PM by Hardhead
Maybe while they're studying the French they can learn about the best health care system in the world.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 06:17 PM
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44. Mmmm...CHEESE! Stinky cheese.
I LIKE stinky cheese!
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 06:41 PM
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46. Mmm, I have some baby brie in the frige
I might have to start grazing.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:17 PM
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14. Yeah, I'm so scared of all 12 of them (and their port-a-potties).
Fuck off, Doug from Upland, you miserable piece of shit.
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:17 PM
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15. Hmm. Sabotage. Blowing up critical infrastructure. Sounds like terrorism.
Well, thanks to GWB, we know what to do with terrorists like Doug, exactly as GWB did with the 'eco-terrorists' who destroyed property.

And also thanks to GWB, we can feel free to listen in on his conversations, intercept his emails, monitor his reading habits, etc.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 06:02 PM
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37. I don't have any sabots. But I have a spanner.
Can I throw a spanner in the works?
Or does it HAVE to be a sabot?
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:27 PM
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21. Really? Does he know the French Maquisard Resistance was mostly the PCF? (Communists)
Edited on Thu Oct-30-08 05:44 PM by kenny blankenship
As were the "partisans" of Italy and Yugoslavia.
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MadrasT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:27 PM
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22. SNORT "this Manchurian Candidate"
OMG, freepers kill me. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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That Is Quite Enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:34 PM
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23. These wannabe 'freedom fighters' make me lololololol.
Edited on Thu Oct-30-08 05:40 PM by Snicker-snack
If any of those Reichwing keyboard commandos try this valiant 'resistance' shit, they are gonna get so fucking owned.
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:38 PM
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24. "Jean has a long moustache..."
:rofl:

Some of you classic-movie buffs will remember that one. Doug From Nutland seems to have learned his history from those movies:

The French Resistance played a vital part in aiding the Allies to success in Western Europe...

Not really, as that other poster upthread noted. None of the European resistance movements were very effective. That point is really made in Tim Weiner's great book Legacy of Ashes: The History of the CIA.

Weiner worked from CIA records, which included the records of its forerunner, the wartime Office of Strategic Services (OSS). As romantic as it sounds to hear about OSS agents parachuting into enemy territory at night, most of those agents were captured and shot in a matter of days. The OSS, like its offspring the CIA, often had a huge and unmerited belief in its own abilities.

Along with the usual problems of Nazi infiltration, snitches, etc., resistance groups were vulnerable to ideological fractures which often had them fighting each other as fiercely as they fought the Nazis. e.g., in the Ukraine, resistance groups included anti-Nazi Communists, anti-Communist Ukrainian nationalists, anti-everybody separatist groups, and Jewish resistance units. The resistance in the Balkans was even more confusing and contentious.

In the French Resistance, the split was mostly between the Communists and the DeGaullists, with everyone jockeying for the best post-war position of power.

China had a similar situation. The US poured huge amounts of weaponry into China, and much of it wasn't even used to fight the Japanese, as intended. Mao's Communists and Chiang Kai-Shek's Nationalists both kept an eye on the future and stockpiled weapons for the post-war battles.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:38 PM
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25. Agent Mike surely has a counterpart "over there"...
:eyes:

Hekate


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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:39 PM
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26. I'm Sure He'll Be Prepared for Obama's Black Helicopters
Although reading that article, is he proposing an alliance with communists in other countries?
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:44 PM
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29. So now the French are NOTcheese-eating surrender monkeys?
That must be making a few heads explode all by itself.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:45 PM
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30. They'll probably set up the Maginot Line instead
:rofl:
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:51 PM
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31. Doug needs to contact Samadams2000, stat
Patriot Action Plan

Posted on 11/08/2006 9:23:55 PM PST by samadams2000

1)Hug your conservative wife and conservative children. Jettison all liberal or Rino leaning children. 2) Buy more firearms and ammunition 3) Buy bullion ( Silver rounds appear to be best value) 4) Turn off your TV. Ingest no media other than FR. 5) Rediscover yourself, not in a washed out hippie looking at your life's devastation way, but review your accomplishments. You are a valued member of FR society. 6) Obtain Crusade outfit/ Store 7) Buy a new American Flag 8) Read a book on the American revolution. Adams or Angle in the Whilwind. 9) Go to Barnes and Noble and take out all the subscription cards to Time and Newsweek and mail them in for processing. It costs them $4 to process each piece of litter. 10) Await The Call. Somebody important must step up and make it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1735341/posts


I hope Doug gets the help he needs.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 05:53 PM
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32. These people are insane and frightening. I hope whatever authority...
is responsible for keeping track of potential Timothy McVeighs is aware of these nutcases who want to arm themselves with millions of guns.

What have we come to in this country when we see our own as the enemy?
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 06:01 PM
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35. I'm sorry. What did he say after "I want to start a resistance so
I reserved a website"?


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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 06:01 PM
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36. Bald White Men
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 06:10 PM
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39. My uncle fought in the French maquis
He was living in the south of France, in the port city of Marseille. At about the age of 19, he was arrested for distributing illegal anti-Nazi tracts. The man who arrested him was a French policeman and his childhood friend. He handed him over to the Germans who labeled him a terrorist and put him on a train headed to a concentration camp. He and a few others escaped by breaking through the side of a boxcar and hid in a forest. He carried a 14 year old boy through miles of forest on his back, who had broken his foot while jumping from the train. Later, he joined the resistance army in the Vercors. The Vercors was a very mountainous and forested area with few roads, near the Italian border. From a small beginning, a resistance force managed to hold on from 1942 to 1944 in that rugged and remote area. An army of about 8,000 maquis fighters eventually gathered there and raised the French flag and declared it a liberated zone. They were all volunteers and poorly trained and equipped, but the allies dropped much-needed materiel on them after D-Day. The Germans tried to attack them and they were initially stopped in the mountain passes. But eventually about 15,000 crack German troops surrounded them, including glider-borne troops and took the Vercors in about late July, 1944. My uncle and many of the others had to flee and hide in the woods. The Germans killed every man they encountered. They seized the resistance hospital which was located in a cave, killing every wounded man and even the doctors. A friend of my uncle was shot in that cave and managed to survive by playing dead under a pile of the real dead. One month later, in about August, 1944, my uncle and several comrades went back to Marseille and participated in the liberation of that city, which started before the allies arrived. In fact, they jumped the gun and began fighting too early before the regular army arrived and a lot of them died. I still have copies of a French newspaper showing photos of my uncle wearing a make-shift uniform (his father's sailor's tunic and a World War I French infantry helmet) prone and firing a machine gun in the streets of Marseille and then greeting and embracing a member of the regular French Army when they finally arrived.
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 06:58 PM
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47. Thanks for sharing that story.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 06:12 PM
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41. This like 12 year old kids playing "Red Dawn" in the woods.
n/t
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 06:17 PM
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43. Maybe they can all wear berets and mustaches?

It'll be easy to scope 'em out
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Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 06:32 PM
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45. Dear Freepers, go and stand at the corner!
Only REAL Americans are allowed to make a decision like that. Native Americans all over have endorsed Obama. I stand by their decision. They have spoken!
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 07:00 PM
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48. *sigh* I'll be glad when the grown-ups are back in charge
playtime is over freepies.
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 07:02 PM
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49. If they didn't have the balls to enlist and go to Iraq,
Edited on Thu Oct-30-08 07:04 PM by Incitatus
they don't have the balls to take on the United States. They few that might be stupid enough to fuck with our democratically elected government will be crushed with ease.
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 07:04 PM
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50. RIGHT...an Obama dictatorship would NEVER think to check for subversive websites, right?
Seriously, I think some of the FR gang are going to hurt themselves after the election...
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 08:31 PM
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52. Will they retreat into the cellars and sewers?
...will they promise to stay there...?
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