PLEASE put some clothes on Rachel!

[JoMama49]

I was watching the Rachel Maddow show last night (Monday, October 27th). Are they going for the cleavage look for Rachel?! Call me old fashioned, but I'm a firm believer in modesty, especially for female news anchors on TV. Rachel's cami's are getting lower and lower -- anyone else notice this? Why are they doing this? I for one don't like it - it looks cheap and immodest to me. Please, Rachel, insist on more modest cami's -- it's much more becoming for you!!

[tekisui]

1. This post needs pictures.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

53. grow up

[tekisui]

68. Thank you, no.

:)

[Quantess]

93. How are we supposed to know what he's talking about, without pictures?

I'm a straight woman, and I'd like to see her outfit.

Edit: I just looked her outfit in post #85, and I see nothing inappropriate about it at all.

[bobbolink]

121. yes, that is very juvenile, and demeaning of women

Really "progressive", eh?

:puke:

[wolverinez]

125. sorry, guys like tits. It's human nature.

nothing wrong with it, nothing "offensive".

[AzNick]

143. Yes, but she does not really try to appeal to guys, ok...

In case you did not know.

[Captain Hilts]

150. The network wants her to. nt

[bobbolink]

156. Ever consider a bit of DIGNITY?????

Guys also like continual sex... must we lay down all the time, any time, any where for any one, because it's "human nature"? What a crock.

You've put waaaay too much emphasis on "human nature". I know of NO Indian tribe that would condone this kind of "thought".

There are MANY cultures which are very sexually liberated, which DON"T do this to women.

"nothing wrong with it, nothing "offensive"."

No, because you see women as there for your USE.

If you were to consider human DIGNITY, then you'd see plenty wrong with it.

The RW confuses sex with evil.

So many "progressives" confuse sex with the lack of respect.

[Scout]

171. who cares about a woman's dignity? boys like boobies! n/t

[wolverinez]

182. You sound overly stressed and sensitive

Sorry, people like to watch naked people. Guys like cleavage. Girls like it when Brad Pitt takes off his shirt. Thems the facts.

[Captain Hilts]

164. It's offensive when it's being forced on someone to market a 'news' show. nt

[sugarraydodge]

54. Yes, pictures are a must

And not just video for those who can't get YouTube at work. :)

[grahamhgreen]

86. That statue of lady justice needs some clothes too - put Asscroft on it!

[Supply Side Jesus]

2. I don't know about her cloths...

but they need a better makeup person.
I swear she looks racoonish at times.

[Aristus]

3. She would be attractive in a burlap sack, so no need to go overboard there, guys.

Mind you, I'm not suggesting a burlap sack; I'm just saying...

Her voice is incredible sexy. Don't cover up that asset!

[BlooInBloo]

4. This thread is worthless without pictures.

[KansDem]

5. Here's a magnet you can buy...kind of cute!

[RebelOne]

6. Yes, I did notice that last night. Her neckline was dangerously low.

[ShortnFiery]

7. She looked classy and elegant. She didn't have anything showing.

Rachel is a very attractive woman. Because of her demeanor, her clothes can not easily detract from her intelligence.

[Bryn]

26. Perfect!

Agreed! I love just the way she looks. Classy and beautiful.

[movonne]

8. I agree.... that is the first thing I noticed last night was how they

have got her cleavage showing...and also her jackets are to tight and make her look fat...I love her but do not like the way they are dressing her...

[JoMama49]

10. I love Rachel too, and I don't know why her wardrobe managers

are doing this to her -- are they trying to compete with all those Faux news babes? If so, I wish they would stop!

[Captain Hilts]

11. It's just terrible the way women are forced to tart up for television or more formal events.

It seems like the more formal the event, the skimpier clothes women are expected to wear.

[notadmblnd]

34. Why don't you write to MSNBC and suggest they put a burka on her?

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[notadmblnd]

60. then explain it to me

Seems to me the small narrow minds are the ones thinking that she is somehow nasty for showing a part of her chest. But go ahead and swear at me, because I can see that it is the only argument you have.

[Scout]

63. yeah, because there is no way to dress in between what's she's wearing now

and being forced to wear a burka.

At least i have an argument... :eyes:

[notadmblnd]

64. "Grow the fuck up" is your argument?

:eyes: indeed!

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[notadmblnd]

72. My argument is that if the OP has a problem with what rachael wears

then she needs to keep it to herself. I also don't think that the OP needs you to fight her battles. Apparently you did not comprehend what I said in my other post to her. That's right, I suggested that she reflect on how she feels about the female body. I'm sorry if women like you and her feel that your bodies are nasty and vulgar and that you have a need to project your own feelings of inadequacy upon her. There is nothing wrong with what Rachael wore on her television show and people like you coming here to bitch about it says much more about you that it does Rachael.

[Scout]

78. there you go again, making shit up n/t

[bobbolink]

162. A woman needs to keep her opinions to herself.

Now, THAT'S a "progressive" attitude if I ever heard one...

:puke:

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[bobbolink]

122. One extreme or another, eh?

Great logic, there.. quite "progressive".

NOT.

[Scout]

58. that's how you can tell a formal event from a regular one....

the men wear MORE clothes, and the women wear less.

[Kool Kitty]

146. The only way she could compete with the FOX "babes"

would be to have her brain removed. She's a beauty just the way she is.

[Captain Hilts]

20. Women need to have jackets tailored to them, otherwise, they just don't fit right...

Pelosi often looks like a sausage in hers.

[jimshoes]

9. I noticed it and could only think

Boy would I like to get to know her a lot better, platonically speaking, of course.

[ThePowerofWill]

12. I thought she looked a bit off last night for some reason

I also noticed the low cut shirt. She still is a nice looking woman, and if she likes it i'm ok with it. For me it's more her personality than looks anyway. Imo her physical looks are just average, but couple that with her attitude, brains, and whit and she sparkles.

[rurallib]

13. Is she Palin's size? I understand Palin will be getting rid of

a large amount of clothes soon at a very low price.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

14. The modesty doesn't bother me as much as it wasn't flattering to her. Here's a youtube clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbCWZmghMVA

[Deep13]

I guess, but she is wearing a suit coat, so how immodest can it be? nt

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

29. That's why I gave no thought to the "modesty" aspect of her outfit.

I just don't think that look is flattering for her.

[JoMama49]

21. Thanks for posting this youtube clip - I really think cami's

under blazers need to be at least 4 inches above the v-neck of the jacket. Why does she need to show so much skin?

[Lorien]

31. I didn't notice an inch of clevage there, so I'm not seeing a problem

the look elongates her neck and the strong vertical make her look more slender. It's flattering. I love V-neck styles for this reason. But then, I DO show a lot of cleavage generally. In Florida it's tough to get away from showing skin. From my perspective; if Rachael were any more covered up she'd look Amish!

[JoMama49]

38. I don't mind seeing cleavage at all, in most venues, but an

anchor woman needs to be more modest (IMO) so that you can focus on what they're saying and not on how they look. If Rachel just had a few more inches, she would still have a long neck-line, but have a more respectable look.

[Captain Hilts]

91. The men on MSNBC are dressed for the office, she should be also. nt

[bobbolink]

158. Simple concept, isn't it?

Yet, "progressives" are so "progressive" that they can't see the obvious simple connection.

[Zhade]

127. When did a woman's choice to show cleavage become a problem?

That confuses me.

[Captain Hilts]

151. It's not her choice. nt

[Captain Hilts]

90. It just doesn't look business-like, as the clothes the men on MSNBC wear. nt

[Believing Is Art]

106. Rewatched clip of show

I don't think it's necessarily the cami itself. There really wasn't any cleavage shown. I think she just needed more support. Lucky woman.

[Ms. Toad]

37. You're right

bad look for her. Poorly cut suit coat for her figure, and far too much neck and chest showing proportionate to her head and button placement on the jacket.

...but still a mighty fine looking woman (despite the less flattering choice of clothing).

[knitter4democracy]

71. I didn't like it. Not a good look for her.

She has a long neck already, so that deep v just makes her look longer. A better jacket would be better, but if they use that one again, she needs a better cami or blouse under it, maybe with a necklace to break up the line.

[Captain Hilts]

112. We just don't have conversations like this about men's clothes. Networks don't sex up the men...nt

[Mariana]

124. Last night there was a thread about KO's purple suit. nt

[knitter4democracy]

175. Yeah, I've never ever read anything about men's hair or clothes here.

:eyes:

People talk about Obama's and Keith's suits, haircuts, and Bush's blue shirt here all the time.

[Codeine]

74. I think she looks stunning.

Her appearance is professional and beautiful.

[TheWraith]

77. She looks fine to me.

I'm not sure what anybody's problem is. It's not like she's wearing a push-up bra and using her boobs for ratings.

[paparush]

81. McCloon - "We talk about nuclear power..it has to be safe, environmental, blah blah blah.."

McRage...marginalizing the importance of nuclear safety, dare one say, regulation!

[Marr]

142. Sometimes I just don't understand this place.

Are people just having a kneejerk complaining fit because someone else is doing it, or do people *actually* see a problem with that outfit? I see a nice-looking woman in a suit coat. Big fucking deal.

[dhpgetsit]

15. Lemme see!

Seriously, I watched her yesterday and didn't see anything the least bit immodest.

[Gin]

16. I didn't see anything immodest either.......the food network really shows cleavage and

it makes me wonder what the hell is that all about? A cooking show!!!!

[Captain Hilts]

18. On the food network the women are all wearing shrink-wrap, which, I guess...

keeps with the cooking theme.

[frickaline]

23. Yeah I'm always a little shocked by Giada DiLaurentiis

Oh right ... tomatoes ... cooking show (I need to keep reminding myself)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

75. lol! I was watching Sandra Lee on Saturday and she had some Halloween costumes on...

Elizabethan, Arthurian...and I thought she was going to fall out of her bodices! Giada often wears tops with her cleavage showing. Maybe it's a generational thing and mores are changing...feeling old here!

[DS1]

17. Neither did I

I don't understand the fuss here. I know she was standing, in a grey suit-like thing.

[Chovexani]

100. Some dirty jezebel might be showing ankle.

And we can't have that can we.

[Zhade]

128. The "fuss" is that some people don't like women making choices that THEY wouldn't make.

It's not like wardrobe held a gun to her head.

[shadowknows69]

19. I admit I did notice last night

for twenty or thirty seconds :evilgrin:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

22. We Need The Taliban! This Country Is Filth! Bring In The Taliban!

Oh noesssssss!!!!11111 Necklines!!!!!!!!!1111111111

[Bryn]

28. LOL

:rofl: I did think she looked great. Nothing wrong with what she looked last night. I thought she looked great! Classy and Attractive.

[greguganus]

66. I'm mad she doesn't show more. n/t

[frickaline]

24. I found her outfit unflattering

but not very suggestive. Maybe a little given that she is on MSNBC but I have certainly seen worse on other news folks.

[Evoman]

25. She's a grown ass women...she can wear whatever she wants.

Who the fuck cares what is "flattering" or "modest". Fuck that noise.

[Scout]

61. I really, really, doubt that she is being allowed to wear whatever she wants....

if you think her TV handlers don't have a very large say in her clothes, her hair, and her makeup you are very naive or willfully ignorant (IMO).

[justiceischeap]

76. She is SOOOOO not wearing what she normally would

First, she doesn't wear make-up in daily life, second look at this picture:



That's how Rachel normally dresses. MSNBC is de-dykifying her. Here's a photo when she was just a guest from time to time:



So it's safe to say Rachel does not get a real say in what she wears.

[Scout]

79. well put, i say, good on you: "MSNBC is de-dykifying her." n/t

[Eryemil]

83. Wow!

She looks like a cute young guy in the picture. Kinda hot. :D

[justiceischeap]

97. She's a big 'ol dyke and it makes me chuckle when I see her on MSNBC

In make-up and those "girly" suits. ;)

It's like Jodi Foster making out with Richard Gere in Somersby--just doesn't ring true. ;)

[Chovexani]

102. I recall her saying that she's had to fight to keep her butch look on tv

The makeup people are always trying to slather more on her and she repeatedly tells them to make her up exactly how they would make up men (a lot of people don't realize men wear makeup for TV too, for the cameras--especially in this era of HDTV).

It makes me sad because I love butch women, but that's just the starry eyed femme in me talking, lol. :D

[Lilith Velkor]

167. On an HD projector, the makeup on men is noticable

My BF has one instead of a tube, and ever since he started watching the MSNBC crapola, he likes Rachel more than Keef.

We both agree that she should lose the excess makeup, and keep the low neckline. :D

[Chovexani]

176. I have an LCD, and it's noticable if they cake it on or do a poor job of it

MSNBC needs some new stylists. :P

And I think everyone is gay for Rachel. :D

[Lilith Velkor]

180. The Rachel look is catching on in DC

I see more every time I take the train. 90% of them get off or on at the Pentagon.

Hell, I even got me a secondhand suit, and I'll be cutting my hair off after Inauguration day (I'm currently farming it for a chemo patient.) Young folks of both sexes dig the style enough to tell me about it.

Do you have a lot of Rachel wannabes in NYC?

[Captain Hilts]

116. EXACTLY. This is NOT what she wants to wear. nt

[Zhade]

130. You don't know that. You're assuming.

NT!

[justiceischeap]

147. I think this article goes a long way in confirming that assumption

The nation's first out Rhodes Scholar finds a voice on radio

So, how does a self-described butch dyke from California -- out and proud since her early days as a student and HIV/AIDS activist at Stanford University -- get to be one of the newest left-wing media darlings? Certainly not by design.

http://www.pageoneq.com/news/2007/maddow06192007.html

Emphasis mine. No self-respecting butch dyke would wear what she wears on MSNBC. They dress her.

[Scout]

170. for all those calling their fellow DUers prudes, and saying we think the female body is nasty....

http://www.pageoneq.com/news/2007/maddow06192007.html

"I 100 percent believe that the reason that I have not gone further in television is not only because I am gay, but because of what I look like. I am not a Barbie girl with Barbie doll-like looks. Because in television, what you look like is a huge deal," she said, adding that the only anti-gay sentiments she has received in her radio career is from "cranky old homophobes who listen to the show and say, 'That Maddow, all she talks about is the gays.'"

quote from Rachel....

you bet your ass she's not allowed to "dress herself"

[Captain Hilts]

172. BINGO

[NorthCarolina]

27. I agree, something with a bit higher neckline would be better

at some point the fundies will probably start hitting her about the disrespectful way she dresses, and of course they will make the big tie in to her being "Gay" and "decadent" or something of that sort.

[BanTheGOP]

30. Rachel's cleavage is FAR less offensive...

...than the (Joe the) plumber's BUTT CRACKS that we see every day on the republican party's side!

[madmom]

32. Being a 54 year old grandma, I saw absolutely nothing wrong with what she was wearing.

[Captain Hilts]

89. There's nothing wrong with it. It's not the way she prefers to dress and it's not comparable...

to what the men on MSNBC wear.

[notadmblnd]

33. I saw the show last night. I didn't think it was that bad

And I didn't see any cleavage. She does not look like a harlot and if you think she does, then perhaps you should take time to have a conversation with yourself in regards to how you feel about the female body?

[JoMama49]

42. I have been listening to Rachel since way before she became`

an msnbc anchor with her own show. I have long admired her intelligence, her wit and the way she thinks, but I really think she needs a few more inches of cloth to have a professional, respectful appearance. And, I have no problem with the female body -- I just believe in modesty, especially for someone in the public eye.

[notadmblnd]

44. Oh yah, I can see where we were all wrong. I'll go burka shopping and pick one up for Rachal

happy now?

[madmom]

99. To each his/her own I guess but until it was mentioned I hadn't noticed. I go there to hear what

she has to say, not see what she's wearing! Maybe she should cover her head too, or maybe her face?

[Zhade]

131. Good for you. Now, stop trying to impose your standards on others.

You don't have that right.

[Scout]

65. no one called her a harlot

why do you have to make shit up?

[paparush]

35. /This thread is useless without pics of dangerously low necklines.

[frickaline]

36. The youtube clip is back in post 14, link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4323693&mesg_id=4323846

[OnyxCollie]

39. I watched the show twice and didn't notice any cleavage.

And I look for that kind of thing. (Yeah, I admit it.)

I do think the absence of a necklace is conspicuous.

[JoMama49]

41. I don't mind the absence of jewelry (she doesn't wear earrings

either); I just mind the lower and lower necklines. Have you seen the way Michelle Obama dresses? Very professional -- elegant but modest.

[WhollyHeretic]

46. I'll send her an email that you approve of her lack of jewelry. She's been on pins and needles

about it.

[OnyxCollie]

47. Without a necklace, the display of exposed flesh is more obvious. nt

[OnyxCollie]

48. dupe.

[GreenEyedLefty]

40. She looked fine to me.

[caraher]

43. MSNBC dresses her

It's not her style, it's more what's considered the norm in television...

From one interview:

“I feel like in terms of what I look like, I’m working in a very visual medium for the first time in my life, and I’m just sort of trying to get by in terms of the basic, the minimum that I need to do visually in order to be allowed to be on television,” she says. “And so I put on the suit, so that I can go on TV. I let the makeup ladies put makeup on me, which they do to their own satisfaction. I don’t pay much attention to it.”

And from a New York Times Magazine piece:

"Clothing item a talk-show host needs: For me, it is sneakers, which I can wear 80 percent of the time, secretly behind the desk. That reminds me who I am, even though I am dressed up like an assistant principal in order to meet the minimum dress code for being on television."

So direct gripes, etc. to the makeup and clothing pros at the network...

[WhollyHeretic]

45. I cannot believe this ridiculous thread has so many responding seriously.

"I'm a firm believer in modesty, especially for female news anchors on TV"
"cheap and immodest"

:eyes:

"lower and lower" Really? Please show us some proof that it is getting lower and lower. It was a different shirt. I don't care what she wants to wear but I'd like to see some proof of this nefarious constant lowering of her neckline.

[notadmblnd]

49. apparently, we have some prude posting that thinks that the female chest is nasty.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

59. Why can't we see Olbermann's chest hair ?

[notadmblnd]

62. I don't know, but if he did show it I wouldn't complain

In reality, It wouldn't bother me if both he and Rachael did their shows naked.

[annabanana]

82. You GOT me!. . lolololol . . . . spit-take! . . . .

BEST response to this silly silly thread.

[Captain Hilts]

92. Perhaps a speedo for him. If we're going to see her rack, let's see something worth looking at-

on him. Something skimpy, Keith!

[eowyn_of_rohan]

107. camel toe?

[Scout]

69. there you go again, making shit up n/t

[Elidor]

98. "PLEASE put some clothes on Rachel!"

Perhaps you missed the title of the thread.

:eyes:

[Scout]

103. the post i was replying to is making up words to put in other people's mouths

"we have some prude posting that thinks that the female chest is nasty"

no one has said there is anything wrong with the female chest. learn to read, and follow along with the thread now, 'k?

:eyes:

[Elidor]

104. He made a reasonable inference from the thread title

You actually deny that a thread titled "PLEASE put some clothes on Rachel" is not an expression of revulsion that she showed her *gasp* chest area? You can't possibly be that stupid, can you?

[Scout]

119. no, i can't possibly be that stupid, but i bet you could be!

no one expressed revulsion that you could see a "chest area" ... you guys are so predictable, you just keep making shit up!

[Zhade]

132. Why aren't you using that tired refrain on those assuming they know what she wants to wear?

Oh, right, because that wouldn't bolster your inane argument.

[fascisthunter]

50. no shit

[caraher]

51. dupe - deleted

[Z_I_Peevey]

52. How can you people talk so much about Rachel's chestal

area, with no mention whatsoever of Keith Olbermann's LAVENDER tie of last night?

[Taverner]

55. Oh come on...we all want our news to look like this

[frogmarch]

57. Yes, for heaven's sake, Rachel, put some clothes on!

(Kidding. Rachel looks just fine.)

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

70. What is nice about Rachel's decolletage

is that it's natural, not pushed up into two weird bumps as is the prevailing fashion that makes supposedly serious, professional women look like tarts. Rachel doesn't look tarty. She looks lithe and lean and in control of her body.

Even though MSNBC "dresses" her and she has complained about the dowdy jackets she's required to wear, I doubt she is forced to wear lowcut tops. I'm sure if she didn't like it she would do what women throughout time have done and pinned the shoulder seams to bring the neckline up higher.

What I find distracting is the amount of makeup they pile on her naturally beautiful face. But after a few minutes I am so wrapped up in what she's saying that I don't notice how she looks.

[upi402]

80. MSNBC forces her to wear those jackets?

Whoa, really... whoa!

[eowyn_of_rohan]

110. who gives a flying #### about Rachel's decolletage?

seen one seen them all! I watch her show to hear what she has to say. In the MSM that is what separates her from the rest.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

138. Lighten up, Francis

[question everything]

73. Has been the norm now, for all the shows

It used to be that women who read the news would wear a suit jacket - just like their men co-readers. But for the past few years they show cleavage and thighs. Samantha Bee had a good skit about it on the Daily Show once.

On the Morning shows they don't bother with a jacket, any of them. On CBS, especially, cleavage is a must.

Colber, as a matter of fact, poked fun at Peggy Noonan last night, showing a photo of her with a cleavage with a comment "nice rack.."

[Captain Hilts]

87. If the men are in business suits, the women should also be in businesswear. It's that simple.

A tight sweater or low-cut shirt is not what you wear to the office.

[annabanana]

84. I can only BEGIN to imagine what she would make of this silly thread.

I suspect that (to the extent that she has ANY control) her primary concern is to go with "not distracting". She has far too much to say to want what she wears to cause any distracting visual noise.

Rachel. . If you're out there.... We are listening, really we are.

[riverdeep]

85. I didn't actually notice anything.

Here she is from last night:



I don't really see anything scandalous here- maybe there were some other shots later on. Her makeup, on the other hand, is all over the place. She doesn't need much, looks best with very little, so stop making her look so unnatural by doing a Tammy Faye on her.

The fact is that for certain professions a certain look is needed. You can carve out some individual space, but wander too far and you're doing a disservice to your career by getting people to talk about your appearance rather than your message. People who are goth and feel it truly reflects them, for example, can't walk into a newsroom in their authentic garb and expect not to have clashes.

I'd like to think we're talking about it because 90% of us already agree on her greatness and have nothing else to comment on.

By the by, she's got a NEW website. It's great. You can watch the entire show, or download it in audio or video format. What I really like about it, it's red, white and blue, but hip like a liberal would do it.

[JitterbugPerfume]

94. oh good grief

Rachel is a beautiful woman and that outfit is modest

[foxfeet]

95. Why complain to us? Why not e-mail Rachel directly?

Sheesh.

[nugzie]

96. oh, she is beautiful

she can wear whatever she wants. love her.

[Chovexani]

101. Tell you what, you get your own show on MSNBC

And you can wear a burqa. Deal?

[Believing Is Art]

105. I didn't think it was too much cleavage,

but she is beautiful and could look *A LOT* better. The wardrobe peeps at MSNBC are not doing her justice. The cami was low, not in a cleavage-showing way, but with the high-waisted pants and a jacket that is cut to flare out at the waist, it was not a look that would be flattering on anyone.

[Texasgal]

108. How sad that we base a womans worth

on what she wears. :(

I like her and I LISTEN to her program, her clothes do not matter... and it really shouldn't to anyone else.

Very sad.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

109. ...

or on her "sex appeal".

[Captain Hilts]

111. That they are CHANGING her wardrobe to tart her up is the issue. nt

[Texasgal]

113. who is "they" and why should it matter?

She could wear a thong and I would still listen to her. :shrug:

[Captain Hilts]

115. The network doesn't think she's 'sexy' enough.

They are trying to widen the demographic. Young men are the most difficult to get to watch television, so, most ads, etc. are designed to appeal to them. Hence, Rachel's more traditional, 'sexy' look.

They know you and I would watch no matter what she wore.

[Texasgal]

118. And this is a bad thing?

Who cares?

[Captain Hilts]

120. They are changing the way she wants to look. She looks like Barbie Maddow. nt

[Texasgal]

139. To YOU maybe

she looks like "barbie Maddow"... to me, I refuse to judge someone based on appearance.

If she is somehow being forced to wear what some call revealing clothing ( which is laughable really ) I would think she is progressive enough to complain to someone in her organization. Plus, it appears that we have no proof of such assertion and we seem to have some clothing puritans here on DU.

Honestly, I feel that this is a very sad case of another woman being judged and demonized by what she wears. How sad.

[Zhade]

135. What evidence do you have that supports your argument?

How do you know what they know?

You don't. You're not a mind-reader - no one is.

[Zhade]

134. Can you actually, you know, prove your assertion that this is happening?

NT!

[Zhade]

133. Best reply so far - thread over!

Sadly, it won't be...

[Captain Hilts]

165. Leave to a man to decide when or when not, women should feel insulted. nt

[w4rma]

114. No. Rachel is hot. She should flaunt her hotness more, not cover it up. (nt)

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

117. I noticed that....

and found it quite enjoyable.

David

[bobbolink]

123. What's really sad is reading the rest of the comments here, and seeing

just how juvenile so many "progressives" are.

No wonder so many women are fed up with the low awareness.

Really disgusting.

[Zhade]

136. So you don't believe in women making choices you wouldn't?

NT!

[Captain Hilts]

153. It's not Maddow's choice. THAT's the issue. nt

[bobbolink]

155. The issue is DIGNITY.

Feminists have been saying that for ..... what, over 40 years now?

What does it take to get through to people?

What MAN must sell himself in a humiliating way just to talk about the news????????

[BornBlue]

173. It may not be "her choice"

but she is allowing it to happen.

The fact that you are "outraged" over how she is being dressed tells me you are really just upset with Rachel for selling out.

[Zhade]

126. So what are you thinking, a burka?

Since when do people have to obey YOUR prudish standards?

Oh yeah, they don't.

[southernyankeebelle]

129. What

I watched the same show you did and believe me I didn't see what you were seeing. Am a woman 60 yrs old. Am a very modest person. If you want to see cleavage just watch the food channel. Gada lets it all hang out. I stopped watching it. I find that to distracting. Of course guys wouldn't.

[obiwan]

137. It's her show. She should wear what she wants.

If you are more worried about what she wears than what she says, then your head's in the wrong place. She is very smart, and speaks well. That's why I watch.

[riverdeep]

140. Wow, look at all the responses.

This reminds me of the great bikini war of the summer Olympics in beach volleyball:

"They're practical items for beachware!"

"They're purposely demanding women dress skimpily!"

No wonder some women get neurotic about their bodies and what to wear. So much hyper-analyzation, it's a no-win situation. It's not like she whipped 'em out and started twirling tassels.

[Swamp Rat]

141. I heard Sarah Palin talking about you yesterday.

"Joe Mama" or "Jo Mama" or something like that. Are you "Jo Mama the Prude?" :D

I doubt Sarah is Chicana, y estaba hablando inglés con un accento Latino.

... and speaking of cleavage... Ain't Sarah sexy? :loveya: :D

[4lbs]

144. Are people really complaining about Rachel Maddow's "risque" wardrobe?

You call that risque?

:eyes:


Hey, let's go full-tilt Taliban and force her to wear a Burka.

[Captain Hilts]

152. No, the fact that the network is trying to tart her up. THAT's what people are noting. nt

[LeftyMom]

145. Helen Lovejoy is that you?

:eyes:

[TexasObserver]

148. I've watched practically every show of hers, and never noticed her breasts at all.

I've never seen her dress in any way suggestive.

[0rganism]

149. Rachel's primary draw is her immense brain.. M$NBC could dress her up in fancy hats.

"This one shows just a hint of cerebellum. What do you think?"
"No, it's too demure. Today we want something more direct, vibrant, more of a frontal lobe thing."

[LeFleur1]

154. Brains vs. Tits

See, this is what happens when a woman has brains. Lower her neckline so all the men can think of is her cleavage. That way she's not so threatening.

I'm waiting for Olberhman in a tank top. Or Jon Stewart, yeah, that might be good. Brian Williams? Maybe. Jeez boys, take it off.

[ailsagirl]

157. This thread is still kicking around??????????

[UndertheOcean]

159. prude

[Political Tiger]

160. She looks fine to me! n/t

[rucky]

161. If this thread won't die, it should at least put some clothes on. n/t

[Captain Hilts]

163. Fortunately, some men -unlike yourself - understand the issue. Read other threads instead. nt

[rucky]

166. It's not an issue, it's a shirt.

If that becomes an issue to some, they are free to watch other programs, instead.

[Meiko]

168. She looks great

very professional. She has a good presence and she speaks well, she's a winner.

[OHDEM]

169. I've thought the same thing.

I LOVE Rachel and think she's naturally beautiful. I'm not much for makeup myself unless I have to. LOL

I'm not trying to be sexist either, but it's the jacket with the open neck that doesn't look good. She would look great in a nice collared shirt under her jacket. Her neck looks too thick without it. Sorry, but I'd comment on a man if he looked bad when I know he could look better!

[xchrom]

174. if you get to call out the 'modesty police' -- do i get to call out

the 'taste' police -- so that inane and tacky threads like this will die the death they deserve?

[Captain Hilts]

177. Another man who doesn't understand that tarting up a woman who doesn't want to be tarted up...

is an insult.

[xchrom]

178. two things -- first unles you have it from rachels mouth that

she is being 'tarted up' -- then you are virtually spreading a lie -- a fabrication -- some weird version of your fantasy.
that you call that being tarted up is incredibly telling.

second -- demonstrating that you think rachel is being tarted up by those jackets and camis -- you have the worst possible taste.
you should really refrain taking that out for a walk on the internet and showing everyone.

[Captain Hilts]

179. If you read in this thread, there are quotations from her on what she likes to look like. nt

[xchrom]

181. all speculation --

rachel and what she wears when not at work are two extraordinarily different worlds.
more you have no idea from the things she said what she likes to wear in every circumstance.

it was freudian -- to say the least -- to speculate in the OP about someone else 'tarting' her up.
it was a fucked up personal projection.