So what did we learn today, kids?

[Beelzebud]

1) Valerie Plame was, without a doubt, a covert CIA operative. No more right-wing bullshit. The CIA commented on it definitively. She WAS Covert.

2) The White House made NO investigation. --This is the bombshell. Bush said in press conferences that they were looking in to it. He said people would be fired if found involved. He was lying. There was no investigation into who leaked the classified identity of a CIA agent.

If we keep having days like this, impeachment will put itself on the table.

[karlrschneider]

1. Problem is the 'librul media' isn't saying shit about it.

:grr:

[Beelzebud]

7. You give them to much credit. They aren't smart enough to digest it this fast.

Wait for Hardball, and Olbermann. And wait for the Sunday talk shows, and newspaper editorials and front page features.

Seriously. The idiots at the 24/7 news channels aren't smart enough to respond that quickly. :)

[karlrschneider]

19. I sure hope so!

:-)

[wryter2000]

10. You sure, Karl?

I'd be kind of surprised if this didn't make the evening news. I do know that it was the top story on Yahoo this morning, complete with a link to watch the hearing live.

[karlrschneider]

Well, I sure hope I'm wrong...but poking around the cable channels, I haven't seen it.

We'll see this evening if the M$M has anything to say about it.

[Initech]

13. As evidenced by this screen capture from the "We report you decide" network

Thanks to DUer Sabra for this:

[Beelzebud]

15. You mistake them for a news outlet.

:)

Seriously. Give it time. Hardball and Olbermann should be interesting tonight. Not to mention the sunday shows and the newspapers.

[Initech]

30. Fox sucks, I can prove that with some scratch paper and a pen.

[WinkyDink]

37. Not to mention TDS! Thank you, Rep. Waxman!

[progressoid]

39. That was a cool moment. And everyone there acknowledged it!

[POAS]

23. OMG a castration story w/video

now that is real news

[Duer 157099]

2. That Oversight is cool

and long overdue

[Beelzebud]

24. Oversight Rocks!

:)

Long overdue indeed. It feels great.

[tridim]

3. We learned today that the Dems in congress are the real deal

I don't want to see any more posts saying it's all for show. They are doing their jobs!

We also verified (once again) that the WH indeed outed a covert CIA agent for political reasons and covered it up.

[Cameron27]

27. Yes, awesome job!

And they were pissed!

[IChing]

4. What I got out of #2 was this was a federal statute that was broken

By the admission and explanation of the testimony of the man in charge of Archives.

[BOSSHOG]

5. Actually

I don't believe I learned anything. We of the intellectually curious crowd, like you Beelzebud, have known all along everything which was outlined in today's testimony. The white house not investigating their crime? No surprise there.

On the other hand, the ignorant trash constitution hating bastards who comprise bush's base didn't believe a damn thing they heard today because they are way too proud to admit that they and their kind are a cancer on our country.

[Duer 157099]

11. Did you know the little detail Plame provided

about how she wasn't *even* the one to suggest Joe? (I know, it's trivial, but still)

I didn't know that, but I'm awfully glad she made the effort to set the record straight on that detail.

[BOSSHOG]

16. Yes

It was in his book The Politics of Truth.

[POAS]

18. I always thought that she suggested

they consider him for the trip, yet she was outside the loop till they asked her to have him come in.

[karlrschneider]

25. I knew it...I guess I assumed most all DUers did too.

grumble
;-)

[tavalon]

47. Yup

Knew it. A long time ago.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. One nitpick here bosh

and Waxman made it beautifully for yah

Until it is on the record it is hearsay.

that was the other thing we learned, some of us knew it, but you get the picture

[BOSSHOG]

28. I stand corrected

I accept responsibility and banish myself to an afternoon of jocularity, massive amounts of beer and gratuitous nudity in the french quarter tomorrow. I will pay the price for my country.

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. Yuo already have Chief

:-)

Have fun

[BOSSHOG]

32. You are so sweet my Dear

And ya caught that paying the price for my country (little dig at conservative chickenhawks.) Ya can't get anything by a DUer. I'm gonna try real hard tomorrow.

[tavalon]

46. So true

Nothing new here for anyone paying a miniscule amount of attention. We, the informed, are, as usual enraged.

[rainy]

6. we learned that the CIA knew that Novak was about to out Valerie.

What we didn't learn was what did the CIA actually say to Novak.

[tavalon]

48. Yeah, I would love to have known that

And I would love to know why Novakula wasn't charged with treason, or even charged with anything! I've never understood that one!

[leftofthedial]

8. based on the diversity of repukes who have lied in this attempted coverup

it is clear that the GOP is no longer a political party, but rather a criminal enterprise.

it should be illegal to be a repuke

[Gloria]

52. Well said. A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE.....While I was looking at the

guy from WH Security ....Knodell?? sp? saying there was no investigation..... He looked just like a mafia guy to me.

[leftofthedial]

55. I was thinking of Sal "Big Pussy" Bonpensiero

sitting there saying, " Gee, I dunno." over and over and over again.

chief of security. yeah, uh huh.

[babylonsister]

9. We learned that Plame DID NOT send Wilson to Niger, despite

blabbermouths to the contrary.

[wryter2000]

14. Yeah

She didn't even particularly WANT him to go because she would have had to take care of two two-year-olds alone.

[POAS]

12. While the WH shill sat there

and said that they didn't want to impede a pending investigation (Fitz) the guy right next to him said there would be no reason not to do an internal to determine if someone needed to have at least a temporary suspension of their security clearance pending a criminal investigation.

The WH guy (Knodell) got really squirmy in his seat.

[sinkingfeeling]

17. And Rove still has a security clearance.

[poverlay]

21. Put iself on the table? Heck, it'll passionately slam itself on the table, rip off its pants

and have its way with itself!

[Beelzebud]

22. LOL

[POAS]

26. Can we bring popcorn?

[Beelzebud]

29. Might want to bring some tissue from the sound of it! :D

LOL :)

[POAS]

33. I know some will need to bring TP

[tavalon]

49. Hah!

Made me laugh out loud! Thanks. Yep it's gonna put itself right back up on that table! Madame Speaker, are you listening?

[Danascot]

53. Paging JeffR

DUzy Alert!

:rofl:

[SlowDownFast]

34. I learned that it's difficult to concentrate

on serious, important testimony when there is someone in the background dressed in a pink t-shirt and pink tiara making silly faces and gestures - no matter how interesting, compelling, or gorgeous the person giving the testimony is.

Sorry, had to say it.

[TankLV]

35. Rove clearly leaked her name.

That was a FACT Valerie made ubundantly CLEAR.

Wolfie on CNN now still trying the "but some say she was NOT covert" bullcrap...

[tavalon]

50. I'd like to meet "some say" one day

and smack the hell out of him/her!

[WinkyDink]

36. Question: Who in the CIA told Rove? Or are all covert ops known to

those with Security clearances?

Are they given a list?

[Demeter]

44. Medal Of Freedom Honoree George Tenet, Most Likely

He sure didn't get the medal for his hair.

[MADem]

38. Numbah Two was actually incredible!!!!!!

You gotta almost laugh--they sent the fucking JANITOR (for all the clout the guy had, fancy-schmancy title notwithstanding), in a thousand dollar suit and two hundred dollar haircut, to get his ass handed to him.

Hell, even Waxman took pity on the guy. Talk about sending a fool on a fool's errand. g

[Sydnie]

40. I learned that the dismissed Libby juror is a sourpuss.

The blonde beind the red headed moran.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

41. 3. It's Good To Have The Gavel.

4. There's a time and place for Code Pink. This hearing was neither.

5. This is just the beginning. If today is any indication, future hearings may grant us truths we've sought for quite some time.

6. Republicans lie.... Frequently.

[tavalon]

51. You know how you can tell a Repug is lying?

His/her mouth is moving.

[philly_bob]

42. Issue: Was Plame out of country in last 5 years? & Re: Impeachment

Plame says she was, Toensing says she wasn't. Upon that hangs the definition of covert agent (assuming that VT's requirement for filing CIA paperwork is irrelevant).

And yes, impeachment chances increase.

Anybody hear the audience member at hearing who said "Impeach Cheney First!"

Don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes.

[Danascot]

54. From VW's Statement today

"While I helped to manage and run secret worldwide operations against this WMD target from CIA headquarters in Washington, I also traveled to foreign countries on secret missions to find vital intelligence."

While she didn't give a timeframe it clearly seems to have been part of her job.

[slackmaster]

43. I learned that Tijuana isn't on Daylight Savings Time yet

It was the most useful thing I've learned all week - Led to me being able to fix time problems on several computers.

Thank you, Mr. Mexican Database Administrator!

[eppur_se_muova]

57. handy map of non-DST regions:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time



:bluebox: DST used orange DST no longer used :redbox: DST never used

[tavalon]

45. I hate to say it but number two was obvious

at least here. I'm trying to imagine Joe six pack on this revelation but here, it's just a "duh" moment.

[eppur_se_muova]

56. Q: Why is impeachment like a cat ?

A: No matter how you try, you can't keep it off the table.