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janet118 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:46 PM
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McCain on the Troops to Teachers program. Say what??
Edited on Thu Oct-16-08 12:50 PM by janet118
In his rambling, erratic debate performance, John McCain presented as one of his gimmicky solutions to our education problems the "Troops to Teachers" program.

Here is what he said that made me nearly fall out of my chair:

"We need to encourage programs such as Teach for America and Troops to Teachers where people, after having served in the military, can go right to teaching and not have to take these examinations which -- or have the certification that some are required in some states."


Say what? Bring anyone from the military into the classroom without certification or examinations required by the state? Is this true?

No. As usual, without his keepers, McCain just makes up facts to fit into some kind of weird mythological world where hockey moms can be vice presidents and soldiers can come off the battlefield into the classroom.

Below is the actual description of the Troops To Teachers program. It sounds like an interesting idea. I'm glad I investigated it myself instead of listening to McNutty's bizarro take on it.

Under this program, the Secretary of Education transfers funds to the Department of Defense for the Defense Activity for Non-Traditional Education Support (DANTES) to provide assistance, including stipends of up to $5,000, to eligible members of the armed forces so that they can obtain certification or licensing as elementary school teachers, secondary school teachers, or vocational/technical teachers and become highly qualified teachers by demonstrating competency in each of the subjects they teach. In addition, the program helps these individuals find employment in high-need local educational agencies (LEA's) or charter schools. A "high need LEA" is defined as an LEA that has a poverty rate of at least 20 percent or at least 10,000 poor children and has a high percentage of teachers teaching out of field or with emergency credentials. In lieu of the $5,000 stipends, DANTES may pay $10,000 bonuses to participants who agree to teach in high-poverty schools. A "high-poverty school" is defined as a school where at least 50 percent of the students are from low-income families or the school has a large percentage of student who qualify for assistance under the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act.

Members of the armed forces who wish to receive the program's assistance for placement as an elementary or secondary school teacher must have a baccalaureate or advance degree, and their last period of service in the armed forces must have been honorable. In selecting members of the armed forces to participate in the program, the Department of Defense must give priority to those members who have educational or military experience in science, mathematics, special education, or vocational/technical subjects and who agree to seek employment as teachers in a subject area compatible with their backgrounds.


McCain is a clueless airhead. He even distorts good programs to make them fit into his deluded world view.

Crossposted from Education Forum
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JohnMcCant2008 Donating Member (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:48 PM
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1. It will help offset his "Teachers to Soldiers" program currently in place.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:53 PM
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5. LOL!
Too fucking true.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:49 PM
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2. I heard it
Poor Gramps.
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:49 PM
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3. You should have seen the
likey, no-likey lines on CNN when he said that, it was priceless. The line for women went from a little over 50% down to the floor. The guy's weren't paying attention and it just floated but the mothers just gave a collective "WTF DID HE JUST SAY"
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:50 PM
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4. K&R
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 01:13 PM
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6. So a veteran who is a high school drop-out will have a crack at teaching
algebra to public school kids? Maybe a veteran with the reading skills of a fourth grader teaching Shakespeare?
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janet118 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 01:25 PM
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7. The program itself requires a Bachelor's or advanced degree . . .
McCain, not so much.
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norepubsin08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 01:31 PM
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8. Fuck that bullshit
My wife has been a teacher for 26 years...she would never recommend a military person to be a teacher...they have a take orders/don't ask mentality....that doesn't work when you're trying to teach kids to be inquisitive and wanting to learn. Also in the school she is in..it is in an economic and sociologically disadvantaged area, you need to be social worker, nurse, counsellor, parent, confessor and much more...the military lifestyle does not teach those traits or skills.

Just like when I am on the board to call a new pastor to our church, I would never accept a career military person as lead pastor...because they don't have the collegial skills to handle dissension and confrontation to pastoral authority. I have been a part of a couple of congregations in which ex-military have been the lead pastor and it has been a disaster. Just IMHO
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