Kick for ACORN

[fascisthunter]

Good job brothers and sisters.... we have your back!

[tekisui]

1. knr!

[TheCoxwain]

2. Any illegal registration only reduces our moral standing ..

if they did something illegal then they must be held accountable

[fascisthunter]

3. Show Me Where They Did Something Illegal

[New_England_Patriot]

8. Posted this morning on CNN

Thousands of voter registration forms faked, officials say: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/09/acorn.fraud.claims/index.html

[fascisthunter]

9. yeah... and I call Bullshit on this Report

[JuniperLea]

11. It's all bullshit

ACORN found problematic forms and turned them in themselves. There's a lot more to the story than CNN is reporting.

[fascisthunter]

12. disgusting isn't it? The Spin on this is Incredible

and I think ACORN should take action to set the record straight.

[JuniperLea]

18. I agree!

And they need to do it soon!

[tom_paine]

30. I don't think Cable TV M$M or any other M$M are going to give them a chance.

PLUS, David Iglesias was fired for NOT prosecuting these bullshit trumped-up cases.

That should be the end of it, and would have been if Amerika was still America, a Free Nation (1776-2000, RIP).

But the Bushies, using their consolidated, criminal, Nazi-like in structure if not virulence (Bushie-level is bad enough, thank you) control of all branches of government and their Gigantic Screaming Lie Machine (with a mostly whipped-dog toadying M$M trailing and their wake and reporting pretty much what the Bushies want reported)...are just pushing on with it.

Like the nazis and Soviets, all the burglar alarms are disconnected and there is just nothing, no morality, no more, no law enforcement, crazy double-enforcement standards for Bushies vs. Opponents is nearly as great as Classical Totalitarian States, to stop them from just...pushing on anyway.

And we can scream our little hearts out. No one will hear us. And if they do it will seem like tiny, inconsequential chirps next to the 200-piece Heavy Metal band that is the Bush Lie Machine and their partners in the Corporate M$M. No one will hear. And if they hear, it will sound like crazy gibberish.

Such is the world in Bradbury's, Huxley's and Orwell's nightmares come alive.

It doesn't matter that ACORN is being railroaded in a way that can be clearly and concisely explained (see BradBlog if you haven't already) or that the US Attorney's Scandal indicates EVEN MORE Bushie unethical and probably criminal collusion with crooked Bushies at the State LEO level to make this Bushie Propaganda Op happen.

It's funny because it is so reminiscent of the Old South, where the local Sheriff's were some of the biggest KKK criminals. In the 60s, the Feds, part of a strong, healthy Republic flush with victory over the German Bushies 20 years before in WWII, came down and sided with the victims against the Southern KKK-Bushies (who were ALSO then still mostly Democrats, ironically, before the Nixon "flip" of the KKK-part of the South to the hated Party of Lincoln now the Party of Jeff Davis).

Now, it must be doubly horrifying to be a minority, though less physically dangerous than in the pre-60s South. Both the Feds and the Local Bushie Sheriffs are the villains, only they don't do lynchings to disenfranchise African-Americans these days. The KKK-Bushies traded in their pointy hats for suits and now do electronic lynchings and burn down blocs of votes in electronic "church fires". And the Feds are now here to help the villains disenfranchise the victims.

"Just push on forward and ignore the shouting of the liberals and intellectuals," to paraphrase goebbels. It worked then and it works now.

Reality CAN be bent and shaped like melted cheese, with a weak-minded and docilized population as the Amerikan Subject Populace is, it has been laughably easy for the Bushies to fool MOST of the people ALL of the time.

Only now does the fog begin to clear, and ONLY because the economic pain begins to sting. If it didn't sting so bad, and I mean as bad as THIS, then McPalin would EASILY keep the "election" close enough to steal and might even win outright...which would mean an ABSOLUTE LANDSLIDE for McPailn in "counted votes".

Think about what that says about we, the Amerikan Subject Populace. Think about how true that last paragraph is, sadly.

[tekisui]

4. If mistakes were made, they can be easily corrected.

Most of this is RWers trying to cast doubt on the election process and set up the pukes to be pissed and cry fraud.

[fascisthunter]

6. yup... because they know they are outnumbered and will lose

[MzNov]

16. and they WILL lose

oops, I'm trying to re-do my sig line it's a bit large....

[Robbien]

5. Posing on message boards using a false identity is very immoral

Posing as a leftie but having very right wing bigoted opinions is a very despicable act.

A person who spends all his time just trying to rile others is a very sick person indeed.

[TCJ70]

7. Ummm, he's not neccesarily wrong in this case.

I was listening to The Stephanie Miller Show yesterday and during one of the news breaks they mentioned how names like "Johns Jimmy" had been registered and had the address of a local Jimmy Johns restaurant...

[Robbien]

10. Being tagged teamed by

posters who like to rile lefties doesn't make your right wing point stronger.

Yeah right, you listen to Air America.

[TCJ70]

14. Actually, I do...

...Stephanie Miller in the morning, Thom Hartmann in the afternoon. That's all I really have time for though.

I'm just reporting what I heard during the break in their shows. That's definately not tag teaming.

[JuniperLea]

13. And if you had listened further to that show...

You would have heard how ACORN turned in a bunch of forms they found unacceptable. Call the Department of Registrar-Recorder and ask how many phony registrations they recieve... with names like Minnie Mouse and John Wayne, with addresses like Disneyland or McDonald's. Then ask yourself if you think Minnie and John are actually going to try to vote. That's the part that really chaps my hide! A registration form does not cast a vote!

[TCJ70]

15. That wasn't reported in the one I heard...

...if there was more to the story later, I must have missed it. They weren't talking about it during the actual show that I heard, it was during a news break.

[JuniperLea]

20. Hmmm... I listen to Steph every morning...

And I know I've heard this discussed more than once.

CNN isn't reporting the fact that ACORN voluntarily, without anyone's prior knowledge of the problem, handed over the suspect forms. Lou Dobbs went as far as contradicting himself, and proving he lied by one of his own comments. I guess they think people aren't really listening.

[proud2BlibKansan]

19. ACORN didn't do that

They hire people to register voters and TURN THEM IN TO THE POLICE WHEN THEY FAKE THE FORMS. Now, other than going out of business, what would you suggest ACORN do to address this miniscule problem of fake registrations?

[TCJ70]

22. Woah, slow down...

...I don't disagree with what ACORN does, not by a long shot. I'm positive that they're doing the best they can. The poster was attacked and called a right-wing poser for posting information that I heard myself on an Air America station! That's a knee-jerk, inappropriate reaction.

Maybe there's a confusion in terms here. When I see the word "registration", I think that someone is actually registered to vote under the name and address given. Perhaps a better term would be "application". ACORN catches fake "applications", not "registrations". A little change in terminology may go a long way to clearing up the confusion on whether or not these "applications" are actually "registered".

[proud2BlibKansan]

25. But they ARE registration forms

And FYI, just because you heard it on AAR doesn't mean it's legit.

[EFerrari]

27. It just shows you have effed up our media is any more. n/t

[TCJ70]

28. *sigh* n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

17. What did they do that was illegal?

[Robbien]

21. Nothing.

But people are playing games with registration forms. Acorn turns in all registration forms they receive )which they are required to do) but separates out those with suspicious names and lets the SoS office know the forms are suspicious. Right wingnuts are jumping all over those funny forms saying Acorn is trying to register illegal voters.

I wouldn't put it past freeper-types to be behind the funny forms business.

[rusty quoin]

23. That's what I was thinking. Democrats don't need to cheat. We have the numbers.

[csziggy]

24. In the past ACORN has fired workers who forged voter registrations

and participated in the prosecution of them. I would bet this will turn out the same. But the M$M never reports the final result of this kind of thing - that it is individuals that faked the registrations and is not a pattern of attempted voter registration fraud by ACORN. ACORN changed their business practices to take away any incentive for submitting fraudulent registrations - they use to pay workers by the number of registrations submitted and now pay the workers by the hour. That does not stop the workers from faking them but does reduce the motive.

As for multiple voter registrations written in the same hand - we told our volunteers that if they had good clear handwriting that they could fill out the forms for the applicants as long as the applicant signed the form once it was completed. So we would get groups of forms with the same hand but different names. You'd also be amazed at how many poorly filled out forms we got. People do not read the form, put their names in the wrong slots, mailing address in the street address line, old address in the place for their current one, no driver's license number or any ID (required under Florida law), no birthday, etc.

We begged our volunteers to ask for phone numbers - then if we found a problem, we could call the applicant and have them come into HQ and correct it. But I know we ended up submitting a pile of problem applications on Monday - no phone number, or we had contacted them and they did not come in. But by law we HAD to submit the applications even if we KNEW they were messed up. We tried to flag messed up ones, but with the volume we had come through here Monday, there was no way to catch all of them, especially when it got down to the wire - at the end we ran out of stickies to put on forms to flag them!

Since these kinds of allegations were made in 2004 and again in 2006, don't you think that ACORN would be totally out of business if the organization were at fault? Instead, David Iglesias was fired because he refused to charge ACORN when investigation found that they were not at fault.

[EFerrari]

26. Repeating right wing talking points against this organization

reduces our moral standing.

[mhatrw]

31. They didn't do anything illegal.

They signed up poor people to vote, and that makes them Wingnut Enemy #1.

[mhatrw]

32. They didn't do anything illegal.

They signed up poor people to vote, and that makes them Wingnut Enemy #1.

[Hugabear]

29. K&R, and I see that even more trolls are exposing themselves

They just can't help it, can they?

[OakCliffDem]

33. Kick

[althecat]

34. knr