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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 06:57 PM
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Are neo-cons history?
Outside the administration, the chief fulcrum of neo-conservatism is the American Enterprise Institute. ... Once a lazy pasture for moderate Republicans hurtled into the private sector by Gerald Ford’s 1976 defeat, AEI has turned in recent years into a kind of Cheney family think-tank. It had not been a good week, year, or second term for any of these people and I thought a few cocktails might cause them to consider their predicament.

This was fantasy on my part. ... The vice-president looked on from the head table as his friend, Bernard Lewis, perhaps the most significant intellectual influence behind the invasion of Iraq, came up to accept an award.
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Were one to start counting ironies here, where would one stop? Here was a Jewish scholar criticising the Pope for apologising to Muslims for a holy war against Muslims, which was also a massacre of the Jews. Here were the theorists of the invasion of Iraq, many of them also Jewish, applauding the notion that the crusades were not so terrible and embracing a time horizon that makes it impossible to judge their war an error. And here was the clubhouse of the neo-conservatives, throwing itself a lavish party when the biggest question in American politics is how to escape the hole they have dug.

But whether or not the neo-cons are prepared to face it, there are increasing signs that their moment is finally over. ... The most important sign of all is the fading influence of Mr Cheney, ... Mr Cheney is discredited, unwell and facing various congressional investigations. He was badly damaged by the Libby trial, which exposed his ruthless mania to justify a war gone wrong.

But the larger factor in Mr Cheney’s demise is that his neo-conservative hypotheses have been falsified by events. Invading Iraq did not catalyse a new Middle East; isolating North Korea advanced its nuclear programme; high-handed unilateralism has reduced American power. At the outset of his presidency, Mr Bush thought himself lucky to have a number two who did not aspire to his job. He may now grasp the hazard of lending so much power to someone with no incentive to test his views in the political marketplace. As disciples of Bernard Lewis, it is unlikely Mr Cheney and the neo-con crusaders will apologise for what they have wrought. Like Mr Bush, they look to the long span of history for vindication. It will indeed be eons before anyone trusts them again.


http://www.ft.com/cms/s/dc14fd96-d25c-11db-a7c0-000b5df10621.html

We can hope.
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Stanchetalarooni Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 07:04 PM
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1. "Manifest Destiny"
NEOCONS have been around for a lon, long time.
I don't think that they will ever go away.
They are a part of the human genome.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 07:39 PM
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5. So very sad...and so very true. Although all wings are necessary
so I suppose I wouldn't want them to vanish. I can't believe I said that that, but stripped f it's crminality, neocon-ism (and conning using con men it is) is merely another philosophy in the cacophony of American voices.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 07:09 PM
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2. was "neoconservatism" all just a crock of shit to cover theft
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 08:58 PM
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6. Yes, I believe so...
Make everything on the planet worth much less, so that those few left with money can buy it all up at firesale prices. Oh, and kill as many poor people, brown people and faggots as possible in the process.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 09:51 AM
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8. some may have adopted neoconservativism to cover greed or bigotry but the founders of the movement
were not interested in that...I don't think.

The founders of neoconservativism were democrats. Wolfowitz, Feith, Pearl all worked for democrat Scoop Jackson. FDR, JFK, Humphrey, Johnson...all pretty hawkish...same wing of the party.

The founders of neoconservativism were altruistic. The wanted to spread democracy. A very leftist goal. They just saw the military as a legitimate means of doing it. They broke with traditional republicans who have always been the isolationists.

It is no mistake that a dem president took us into Vietnam. Same kind of thinking as the neocons and LBJ was pretty liberal, more so than Clinton I think.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 07:16 PM
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3. They are still present, aren't they?
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 07:24 PM
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4. 5 more years of
Lieberman says no.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 08:59 PM
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7. Hoping and praying that the PNAC agenda is.
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