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Porschenut1066 Donating Member (348 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 11:28 PM
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What are Neocons and what we are up against...
Edited on Sat Oct-04-08 11:54 PM by Porschenut1066
Carl Rove and others in that circle
These people are what are called Neocons. They follow a philosophy taught at the University of Chicago by a Prof. Leo Strauss.
He came to the USA from Germany in 1938. He was sponsored by the then German government to spread their philosophy. He taught until 1975.
Most of the big players in this Bush administration have been indoctrinated into the philosophy of Leo Strauss.

Basically the philosophy goes like this:

Liberal democracy will lead to the end of civilization as we know it.
What is needed is a government with a strong executive (a benevolent monarch)
He should be surrounded by the "Supermen" or intellectual elite
These "supermen" have the absolute right to rule over the "Ignorant masses"
Rules, Law, and religion is only a way to keep the "ignorant masses" under control but do not apply to the "supermen"
This makes the ruling elite above the law.
It is the duty of the ruling elite to lie, and deceive the "ignorant masses" who could not deal with the truth if they were told it.
Levi Strauss said that in order to take power in the USA it is necessary to build a support structure and place the right people in the right places so that over time more and more of the structures of the system are in the control of the "supermen"
He suggested first to place people in positions in University's so they could recommend each other for jobs. Then he said develop think tanks from which the government of the day can draw ideas and talent. Then he said do not be the politicians but rather be the advisers to the politicians. That way no matter who gets elected the politicians they will allow their advisers to lead them in the right direction.
A couple of points with regard to holding onto power.
He said that the country needed to be in a permanent state of war.
There must be a clear a defined external threat that will keep the "ignorant masses" in fear all the time.
You must use fear to control the "ignorant masses" and for them to give up their civil liberties in exchange for security
You must spy on the ignorant masses so that they think the government will know if they try to resist
You must bypass the congress as much as possible and expand the power of the executive as fast as possible.
The powerful will always dominate the weak so use the army to project military power.
Tell the ignorant masses that Pre-emptive war is needed to protect them
All of the supermen, intellectual elites and all people in the executive branch of government are above the law and must not be held accountable for any of their actions.
It is acceptable to ignore any and all international laws that get in the way of the projection of military power.
It is acceptable to use superior military power to seize the natural resources of other countries
Once in power it is acceptable to hold elections provided the results are a fore gone conclusion.
It is acceptable to lie about the opposition candidates, to fabricate lies and to do anything at all that will destroy the opponents.
Elections are like war and the only acceptable outcome is victory and there is no action that is excluded.
Always attack the opponents strongest asset.
Fabricate any story that can discredit the opposition
Arrange to have control of the counting of ballets to ensure a victory.
When faces with a huge majority for the opposition make sure that the victories are narrow but not so narrow as to make a recount needed
Always accuse the opponents of doing what you are infact doing.
The opposition will not realize that he is up against an unstoppable foe.
The American people are very slow and will not realize they are being lied to.

These Neocons first gained positions of power under Ronald Regan and then again under Bush 1 and Bush 2. They have been putting the above agenda together for at least 30 years. To name some of the followers of Leo Strauss: Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, Wolfovitz, Kristol, Rove, Libby, Gates, Lieberman, McCain, all of the appointments made by Cheney were followers of this philosophy.

I know I have gone on a bit much and its hard to accept but look at this administrations actions and compare them to the list of principles they are supposed to follow in order to save civilization and you will find that these characters are following the Leo Strauss rules to the letter.

They say God Bless America, if these people steal this election then I say

God Help America.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 11:30 PM
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1. and here's their website...
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Porschenut1066 Donating Member (348 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 11:59 PM
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12. Yes that is the Neocon website, Palin took lessons there
Does it surprise you that Palin was given lessons there, I believe it was last year, but it may have been earlier this year, on how to Govern.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 06:25 PM
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21. I thought they closed that site. n/t
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 01:48 AM
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31. looks like someone finally paid the bill
it came back up a few days back.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 11:32 PM
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2. I think it's Leo Strauss..
Levi-Strauss was the anthropologist..
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lob1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 11:35 PM
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3. Levi Strauss also made a good pair of pants.
Edited on Sat Oct-04-08 11:37 PM by lob1
Forgot to add K & R. A nice read.
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Porschenut1066 Donating Member (348 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 11:37 PM
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6. I think that was his brother!! LOL
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 12:38 AM
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14. And it's Ronald Reagan, not Regan.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 11:37 PM
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4. Barack Obama is on his way...
...to a landslide.

There's no way these miserable fucks can steal the election. They can try and I'm sure they'll
steal some votes. There's just no way they can combat the juggernaut that is the Barack Obama
campaign and the millions of Americans who are rallying behind it.

What you described is exactly what they do. I had no idea that the origin of this disease
was someone who came from Germany in 1938. What do we know about his background and how
he felt about WWII?

These bastards are a cancer on our country. It just makes me so sick they poisoned our
country for so long.

Here's to eradicating their sickness from our entire country forever. Send these bastards,
and their sick agenda, back into their holes in the ground.


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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 11:41 PM
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9. surprised that the Germans had a link to all this?
try googling Prescott Bush and Nazi and you'll see that this family ALSO had links to the Nazis.
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Porschenut1066 Donating Member (348 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 11:45 PM
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10. Leo Strauss was paid by the German Government to
teach philosophy. He got to Chicago University by 1938, was in London before that and Germany before that. Member of very right-wing group.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 11:37 PM
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5. So.....Basically you're saying they're a bunch of fucking NAZI's in a nice wrapper.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 06:07 PM
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18. uh yeah.
:evilgrin:
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 09:21 PM
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29. You betcha.
Doncha know?
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FraDon Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 06:24 PM
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35. • the wrapper's not all that nice, either.
Though I would sign up for my month's turn (me & a hundred DUsters) at that little compound in Kennebunkport.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 11:37 PM
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7. try starting HERE:
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 11:38 PM
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8. Ya that sure does sound like Hiltlers little band of criminals and
what they spread. A benevolent monarch if you are the Monarch, but if your not, it is a ruthless dictator.
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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 11:49 PM
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11. Rules Law and Religion
These tactics of the wealthy predate Strauss by about 100 years here. During the civil war times industrialists used church sermons about laziness and drinking to shame their workers. sleazy tactics are nothing new, and before you mention it, it's class warfare for sure. If it is not recognized that they have criticized us for class warfare while using it themselves, then you need to study a little more.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 12:02 AM
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13. Leo Strauss was a fascist who admired Plato's totalitarian utopia based on Sparta.
Strauss was an admirer of Plato and a lot of his ideas came straight from Plato's Republic
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Irish Girl Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 02:39 PM
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15. k & r
this should be kicked every day until election.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 05:10 PM
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16. This should be a sticky post at the top of every forum.
I hadn't seen an entire list like this until now. It is absolutely enlightening for me. I have to thank you for a most incredible post. It explains everything perfectly. I'm enraged and somewhat frightened by it.

The Constitution is worth less than toilet paper to these goons.

And to think we let these people roam free. They are the true terrorists. They caused terrorism in the world by virtue of their military plundering around the planet.

This needs to be a sticky post. Without a doubt. Everyone should know this stuff.
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 06:05 PM
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17. Thanks for posting & did you notice you've never heard of this on TV?
When I first heard of it I about went crazy wondering why it was never mentioned on the Corporate Media. I've only heard it a few rare times - maybe on C-Span or late at night, and only RECENTLY.

Maybe if some average citizens of the Religious Right persuasion would read what Strauss said about "using" them and that it wouldn't be important for the main leaders themselves to believe any of it - MAYBE it would blow the lid off of their infatuation with Palin.

What's also sadly ironic is that the forebears of some of our present Neocons were directly affected by Nazi fascisim, yet they've turned around and become fascists themselves, even advocating pre-emptive wars (the kind that Hitler started).

These people are predatory sociopaths, the modern-day Crime Syndicate that dwarfs the Mafia of yesteryear. Aside from Climate Change, they are IMHO the biggest threat to the planet today.
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Irish Girl Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 07:18 PM
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23. it's never mentioned in the media because they own the mainstream media
That's what has made the internet so invaluable. The Mainstream Media is fluff designed to distract from real issues shattering our nation.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 06:08 PM
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19. thanks. we all need to be aware of the philosophy that is driving this agenda.
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 06:12 PM
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20. Left out in name Strauss's "The Noble Lie" nt
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 06:27 PM
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22. "Smirk." - Republicon chickenhawk totalitarians
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 07:19 PM
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24. This essay and discussion is incomplete
without including "what are neoliberals, and what we are up against..."

In my opinion, of course.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 07:22 PM
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25. Actually, you have put out one of the most succinct characterizations I've ever seen!
It's fascism wrapped in a flag of "democracy".

Great job!!! :hi:
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 07:26 PM
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26. "surrounded by the 'Supermen'"
I think I found a flaw in their philosophy.
"...surrounded by the 'Supermen'"
Uh-huh.
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Porschenut1066 Donating Member (348 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 09:02 PM
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27. Remember this philosophy does not depend on your religion or
background so you get Republicans, Democrats, Christians, Jews, and anyone else that is selected by the main players. I was asked to join this group in the 1980's. They told me about the New American Century, and the philosophy and how easy it was going to be to take over America. I thought they were crazy and dangerous then but now they are in power exactly as they said they would be. They are trying to establish their new way in order to save "civilization". By having a nominal head (i.e. President) that is easily manipulated makes their task easier. If you pick one of these evangelical fundies you can tell them that they have been picked by God to do this or that and that everything they do is Good and anyone who disagrees must be influenced by the devil and the nominal leaders believe it. Because they are evangelical fundies don't try to reason with them because every word out of their mouth is from God and you are the Devil incarnate.

What they are creating is a Fascist Dictatorship. You will notice that from time to time members of this group especially Bush have let slip how it would be easier if this was a dictatorship then laughed it off as a joke. In a normally running democracy it would be a joke.

It is going to be a tough road ahead taking our country back, but Italy did it, Spain did it, Chile did it and we can do it too. The first step to any recover, is to realize there is a problem.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 09:23 PM
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30. Excellent post. nt
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 02:37 AM
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32. Hopefully, they're on their way out, now.
And a lot of us HAVE recognized the problem. Like I was intimating, I don't see them as "supermen" - or even as all that smart.

Welcome to DU, Porschenut1066! :)
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FKA MNChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 09:06 PM
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28. The irony is rich:
Leo Strauss, himself a pure fascist, was unable to return to Germany because of Nazi anti-Semitism. So he makes his way to the University of Chicago and dedicates his life to re-inventing Nazism without the anti-Semitism but with all the rest of its totalitarian features. Some accomplishment.
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TxBlue Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 03:13 AM
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33. McCain aspires to be a dictator
in the Iowa interview, he sez.

Great post. Haven't seen it concisely laid out so well.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:15 PM
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34. Error: You've already recommended that thread.
I'm tempted to cut and paste and post this all over the forum.
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