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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-04-08 09:51 PM
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Jay Bakker, yes, Jim and Tammy Faye's son.....
Edited on Sat Oct-04-08 10:07 PM by Catchawave
http://www.tri-cityherald.com/1078/story/334150.html

Jay Bakker, Christian punk preacher and son of televangelists Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, preaches about God's love for gays and lesbians, building on a theme his late mother championed.

The pierced and tattooed Bakker grew up in Charlotte, N.C., at the heels of his parents' Praise The Lord ministry and television network. The PTL empire imploded in scandal in the 1980s. Afterward, Tammy Faye, who divorced an imprisoned Jim Bakker and married Roe Messner, re-emerged as a television and cult personality - this time embracing gay men infected with the AIDS virus. She died of cancer last year.

Her son is following in her footsteps - fighting to end religious and political discrimination against gays and lesbians, and presenting a nonjudgmental, inclusive face to his Christian faith.

"I ... talk about loving your neighbor as yourself, God's amazing grace and the dangers of apathy in our lives," said Bakker.

Now 32 and living in Brooklyn, N.Y., he leads Revolution New York City, a church that meets Sunday afternoons in a bar. Services are recorded and posted on the Web site (www.revoluntionnyc.com ) "to create an online church for people who have given up on church."

Bakker's activism on behalf of gays and lesbians started three years ago, after he saw friends mistreated because of their sexual orientation. He began to study the Bible and now says he's convinced that passages condemning homosexuality refer to worship of a fertility god or male prostitution but not the caring and respectful relationships established between people of the same sex.

"I don't think that two people in love is a sin," he said.

.....more at link


:hi:

edit to clarify Tammy Faye, R.I.P.
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   Jay Bakker is an incredible person  dwickham   Oct-04-08 09:54 PM   #1 
   Well, something came of the Baker's. Perhaps he could teach the pope a thing or 2  glowing   Oct-04-08 09:54 PM   #2 
   Religion teaching people to love one another.  Arctic Dave   Oct-04-08 09:54 PM   #3 
   I thought that's what "organized" religion was too....  Catchawave   Oct-04-08 10:28 PM   #13 
   Well I'll be.  vanderRock   Oct-04-08 09:56 PM   #4 
   "as christians, we're sorry for being righteous judgmental bastards "  Skip Intro   Oct-04-08 10:01 PM   # 
   ..ditto...  Catchawave   Oct-04-08 10:20 PM   #9 
   "as christians, we're sorry for being righteous judgmental bastards "  Skip Intro   Oct-04-08 10:01 PM   #5 
   Can't win y'all can I....?  Catchawave   Oct-04-08 10:19 PM   #8 
      Catchawave.  Skip Intro   Oct-04-08 10:29 PM   #14 
         It's been a sh*tty primary season on the DU.....  Catchawave   Oct-04-08 10:44 PM   #18 
            I like that thought  Skip Intro   Oct-05-08 12:42 AM   #24 
   This guy understands what Jesus' love is about. Bless him & his ministry. nt  Ilsa   Oct-04-08 10:01 PM   #6 
   The Golden Rule works for me....  Catchawave   Oct-04-08 10:22 PM   #11 
   Tammy raised a good kid  shireen   Oct-04-08 10:03 PM   #7 
   I agree...  Catchawave   Oct-04-08 10:24 PM   #12 
   Two people in love is not being in sin. I like it !  midnight   Oct-04-08 10:21 PM   #10 
   It's a positive message for sure....  Catchawave   Oct-04-08 10:34 PM   #15 
   As an atheist, I admire and respect Jay  Nevernose   Oct-04-08 10:39 PM   #16 
   As a Chrisitan I admire him too  marshall   Oct-05-08 09:16 AM   #29 
      If there were more Jay Bakkers and fewer Jims,  Nevernose   Oct-05-08 02:27 PM   #30 
   K&R  Jamastiene   Oct-04-08 10:44 PM   #17 
   to correct the link  Historic NY   Oct-04-08 10:46 PM   #19 
   thanks, my edit time expired  Catchawave   Oct-04-08 11:12 PM   #21 
   His mother's late life change of opinion on this was truly genuine  eridani   Oct-04-08 11:02 PM   #20 
   "I don't think that two people in love is a sin" Wow. The Bakkers did something right. n/t  ColbertWatcher   Oct-04-08 11:13 PM   #22 
   K & R Catch -  waiting for hope   Oct-05-08 12:22 AM   #23 
   "We're all made of the same dirt."  targetpractice   Oct-05-08 12:47 AM   #25 
   Um, yea...  taddles   Oct-05-08 01:03 AM   #26 
   K&R Great Documentary about Jay Baker called  elshiva   Oct-05-08 01:50 AM   #27 
   Tammy raised a good kid.  Lilyeye   Oct-05-08 05:58 AM   #28 
 
davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-04-08 09:54 PM
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1. Jay Bakker is an incredible person
he's been the best friend of the LGBT community; he could have easily become another right wing preacher but he's really embraced what I see if the true message of Jesus to love your neighbor and love your God


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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-04-08 09:54 PM
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2. Well, something came of the Baker's. Perhaps he could teach the pope a thing or 2
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-04-08 09:54 PM
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3. Religion teaching people to love one another.
Who woulda thunk it.

Seriously though. I'm glad to see he is using his faith to help and not divide.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-04-08 10:28 PM
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13. I thought that's what "organized" religion was too....
Jay gets it :) And, can't we all just get along :grouphug:
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vanderBeth (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-04-08 09:56 PM
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4. Well I'll be.
Seems to have a better grasp at Christianity than others...
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-04-08 10:01 PM
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"as christians, we're sorry for being righteous judgmental bastards "

:rofl:
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-04-08 10:20 PM
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9. ..ditto...
:toast:
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-04-08 10:01 PM
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5. "as christians, we're sorry for being righteous judgmental bastards "

:rofl:
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-04-08 10:19 PM
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8. Can't win y'all can I....?
Et Tu Skip Intro?
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-04-08 10:29 PM
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14. Catchawave.
Edited on Sat Oct-04-08 10:30 PM by Skip Intro

I don't know what you mean by "win me."

I will say that I liked that quote about Christians apologizing for being judgmental among other things.

Whaddya mean "win me?"
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-04-08 10:44 PM
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18. It's been a sh*tty primary season on the DU.....
..please don't take it personally :hug: to skip. Jay's, the Fundie Bakker spawn, is moving on from 40 years of his parents' judgmentals, why can't we?
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-05-08 12:42 AM
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24. I like that thought
:hug:
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-04-08 10:01 PM
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6. This guy understands what Jesus' love is about. Bless him & his ministry. nt
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-04-08 10:22 PM
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11. The Golden Rule works for me....
I "get" him too. :hug:
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-04-08 10:03 PM
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7. Tammy raised a good kid
He has empathy and compassion, something that's missing from so many other so-called preachers and religious leaders.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-04-08 10:24 PM
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12. I agree...
:hi:
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-04-08 10:21 PM
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10. Two people in love is not being in sin. I like it !
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-04-08 10:34 PM
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15. It's a positive message for sure....
....who knew a kid from the fundie "wing" would be so darn right, doncha'know :D
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16. As an atheist, I admire and respect Jay
I first read about him in a book called (iirc) "Righteous," about youth movements within modern Christianity. Then he had his show on Sundance. Despite his reliance on the supernatural, his message is right on.

His stance on GLBT issues gets him a lot of press, and are important, but the guy's the real deal in other ways, too: poverty, homelessness, addiction, etc, -- he's on the right side of all those issues.
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29. As a Chrisitan I admire him too
Piercings and tattos are not my cup of tea, but Christ hung out with people who were out of the social norm (even though he got criticized for it).
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-05-08 02:27 PM
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30. If there were more Jay Bakkers and fewer Jims,
Christianity wouldn't get the bad rap from atheists that it does. He reminds me an awful lot of the Unitarian Universalists at the church I semi-regularly attend. Except fot he tattoo part.
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17. K&R
Jay Bakker tries to use his position to do good in the world and offer love to people who get hated for no good reason whatsoever. I applaud his effort.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-04-08 10:46 PM
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19. to correct the link
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21. thanks, my edit time expired
:kick:
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20. His mother's late life change of opinion on this was truly genuine
Glad she passed it on.
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22. "I don't think that two people in love is a sin" Wow. The Bakkers did something right. n/t
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-05-08 12:22 AM
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23. K & R Catch -
Thanks for bringing this - it's nice to know that there is some salvation in this world. O8)
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25. "We're all made of the same dirt."
-- said Tammy Faye when describing what she believed God's perspective was re: homosexuality.

Watch the biography of her life "The Eyes of Tammy Faye" narrated by Ru Paul... It's a very touching portrayal of a real human being whose lifelong belief in the word of a loving God helped her survive hell on earth.
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taddles (92 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-05-08 01:03 AM
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26. Um, yea...
"He began to study the Bible and now says he's convinced that passages condemning homosexuality refer to worship of a fertility god or male prostitution but not the caring and respectful relationships established between people of the same sex."


Pretty much an "real" biblical scholar that isn't pushing a homophobic control agenda will tell you that. Problem is that the right wingers don't let facts get in the way of the bigotry.
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27. K&R Great Documentary about Jay Baker called
"One Punk Under God." He is one sexy guy, too. Also, he says he is a Democrat in that documentary. :loveya:
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28. Tammy raised a good kid.
Tammy was a good woman and I am sure he learned a lot from her.
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