US Rep. Brad Sherman (D-CA) just said on C-Span that Congress was "threatened with Martial Law"

[99th_Monkey]

if they won't pony up the $700 Billion "random" to Wall Street. He's awesome.. on now.

[seemslikeadream]

1. Was he talking about the House martial law?

it's a different thing

[Mojorabbit]

36. No he said

he was told the market would drop a thousand points and then again and there would be martial law in America.

[endthewar]

38. Wrong

He's referring to a judicial procedural issue.

[2008]

45. You already admitted, 5 hours ago, he was NOT talking about "a judicial procedural issue"

FIVE HOURS AGO, on another DU thread (Thu Oct-02-08 09:53 PM), you admitted he was not talking about Congressional martial law ("a judicial procedural issue" as you put it).

You admitted he was talking about actual martial law: "I concede I was wrong about that point."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4156496&mesg_id=4157854

What changed? Why do you now (again) think he's talking about a procedural issue?

You do know what I'm talking about. You do.

I quoted Brad Sherman (D-CA, 27th District) from the original clip: "...and a few members were even told that there would be martial law in America if we voted no."

And then you replied with: "I concede I was wrong about that point."

Five hours ago. What changed your mind? Did you watch the clip again and decide Sherman said something else?

[Misskittycat]

2. It's Brad Sherman. I just tuned in. Thanks for heads-up.

[DearAbby]

3. Got a link?

[99th_Monkey]

14. Sorry but Sherman was done by time i got to you. But ...

DearAbby (DUer) says she'll post the statement later, as she recorded it... and it WAS
martial law "in America" (not just in the House).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4154876&mesg_id=4154905

[roguevalley]

31. martial law. BWAHA

with what, do you think? do you think that the guard will turn on its own or that our army is big enough? what will they do? nuke us?
God, bring it on. :-D What kind of yahoo must they be to believe they could do such a thing?

[asteroid2003QQ47]

40. Stanley Milgram. You would do well to familiarize yourself with...

what his work revealed about obedience IMO.
-------------------------------------------
"The social psychology of this century reveals a major lesson: often it is not so much the kind of person a man is as the kind of situation in which he finds himself that determines how he will act."
--Stanley Milgram(1974)

[roguevalley]

50. then again, review Russia. the military joined the people. :)

[asteroid2003QQ47]

53. I'm guessing a sense of community still existed in Russia at the time,...

unlike the United States where, as I see it, the lowest common denominators in both camps would turn a revolution into a total horror show.
Coming from a romanticist who strongly feels the need for the cleansing effect
a revolution could, in theory, have it's a very bitter pill to swallow.
-----------------------------------------

"The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth."
--Mikhail Bakunin

[lostnfound]

37. Here's a link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaG9d_4zij8

[Hatfield]

4. Heard it Myself

I'm recording, but don't know how to get the video off my DVR. There will be a clip up of this later, I'm sure of it. Will post as soon as I find it.

[99th_Monkey]

13. WAY COOL. I'll be looking for it. Could you also please message me a heads up when you post? ~nt~

[aquart]

5. "Martial Law" In House of Representatives:

I have no idea what year the date refers to, but this is a description of the "martial law" referred to.

<http://burgess.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=103976>

"Martial Law" In House of Representatives



Washington, Sep 28 - Under the martial law procedure, long-standing House rules that require at least one day between the unveiling of significant legislation and the House floor vote on that legislation — so that Members can learn what they are being asked to vote on — are swept away. Instead, under “martial law,” the Leadership can file legislation with tens or hundreds of pages of fine print and move immediately to debate and votes on it, before Members of Congress, the media, or the public have an opportunity to understand fully what provisions have been altered or inserted into the legislation behind closed doors. This is the procedure that the Leadership intends to use to muscle through important bills in the next two days.

[99th_Monkey]

8. It wasn't clear which "martial law" Sherman was referring to, but you may be correct.

my first thought was he was referring to NSPD-51 .. Bush's executive order authorizing himself to declare martial
law in the event of economic catastrophe.

Thanks for the info and the link :hi:

[tnlefty]

28. Well, Jeebus, that looks like authoritarian behavior in the

House, so I don't understand how that could be much better. Hidden from the public, the media, with little opportunity for the voting members to fully comprehend, and muscled through.

Seems like so much bullshit to me and a practice that should be halted.

[robinlynne]

30. Obviously that means just say NO!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Not the Only One]

6. "a few members were told there would be martial law in America..."

[99th_Monkey]

10. That's what I THOUGHT I heard too. Thanks for weighing in. ;-)

[aquart]

11. Link? Because that's the moment I would suspend the bill and dare his ass.

Go for it, Georgie.

[live love laugh]

51. Exactly. BRING IT ON! Why couldn't they do that? n/t

[Rubble]

7. I agree, Sherman tore it apart, he made me proud

here are choice parts of the house bill that was voted down

This part gives The Treasury Secretary the power to purchase ANY financial institution, on a global basis, at anytime, this means we would be bailing out foreign banks and governments too, the world joins in the looting


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TITLE I—TROUBLED ASSETS
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RELIEF PROGRAM
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SEC. 101. PURCHASES OF TROUBLED ASSETS.
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(a) OFFICES; AUTHORITY.—
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(1) AUTHORITY.—The Secretary is authorized
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to establish a troubled asset relief program (or ''TARP'') to purchase, and to make and fund
commitments to purchase, troubled assets from any financial institution, on such terms and conditions as
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are determined by the Secretary, and in accordance
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with this Act and the policies and procedures developed and published by the Secretary



This part sets up the oversight board, notice it is the very same people who have engineered this whole mess, it is like appointing the fox to oversee himself in the henhouse

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(b) MEMBERSHIP.—The Financial Stability Oversight Board shall be comprised of—
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(1) the Chairman of the Board of Governors of
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the Federal Reserve System;
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(2) the Secretary (of Treasury);
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(3) the Director of the Federal Home Finance
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Agency;
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(4) the Chairman of the Securities Exchange
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Commission; and
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(5) the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development.
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(c) CHAIRPERSON.—The chairperson of the Financial
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Stability Oversight Board shall be elected by the members
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of the Board from among the members other than the Sec13
retary.



More authority to sell ANY financial institution

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\AYO\AYO08C04.xml


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(c) SALE OF TROUBLED ASSETS.—The Secretary




may, at any time, upon terms and conditions and at a price determined by the Secretary, sell, or enter into secu4


rities loans, repurchase transactions, or other financial





transactions in regard to, any troubled asset purchased under this Act.






here is the linch pin that will set this up globally, and guarantees that ANY foreign bank, asset, etc can be bought



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SEC. 112. COORDINATION WITH FOREIGN AUTHORITIES


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AND CENTRAL BANKS.


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The Secretary shall coordinate, as appropriate, with foreign financial authorities and central banks to work toward the establishment of similar programs by such authorities and central banks. To the extent that such foreign financial authorities or banks hold troubled assets as


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a result of extending financing to financial institutions


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that have failed or defaulted on such financing, such troubled assets qualify for purchase under section 101




this part shows that this 700 billion can be went to over and over, so the limit is theoretically unlimited



SEC. 115. GRADUATED AUTHORIZATION TO PURCHASE.



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(a) AUTHORITY.—The authority of the Secretary to


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purchase troubled assets under this Act shall be limited


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as follows:


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(1) Effective upon the date of enactment of this


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Act, such authority shall be limited to


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$250,000,000,000 outstanding at any one time (2) If at any time, the President submits to the


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Congress a written certification that the Secretary


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needs to exercise the authority under this paragraph,


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effective upon such submission, such authority shall


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be limited to $350,000,000,000 outstanding at any one time.


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(3) If, at any time after the certification in


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paragraph (2) has been made, the President trans16


mits to the Congress a written report detailing the



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plan of the Secretary to exercise the authority under


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this paragraph, unless there is enacted, within 15


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calendar days of such transmission, a joint resolu20


tion described in subsection (c), effective upon the



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expiration of such 15-day period, such authority


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shall be limited to $700,000,000,000 outstanding at any one time.

[aquart]

12. Since the dollar would then be worthless, what would be the point?

Everything would crash and burn anyway.

[girl gone mad]

35. Then they could buy assets up on the cheap..

and sell them back to us all over again?

:shrug:

[VP505]

9. Want to show some support for Reps Sherman,

Peter DeFazio, Donna Edwards and Marcy Kaptur? Read about their NO Bailout Act http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/better_bailout/?r_by=1015-1649263-tBvkaCx&rc=confemail

[kestrel91316]

15. Brad Sherman is MY GUY. He voted NO, if I heard correctly today.

[wtmusic]

21. correct.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4151803&mesg_id=4151803

[doublethink]

16. SEE THIS LINK .....

Before the meme from CSPAN on the 'martial law' comment goes viral .... see this link just in case ... http://www.cbpp.org/7-28-06bud-stmt.htm

Peace.

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

18. No - he said in the streets or in America n/t

[doublethink]

20. Okay if he said that then ......

:scared: I hope someone posts a link on you tube soon ....

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. And I want extraordinary evidence for that extraordinary claim

for the record, they may have been told this during a worst case disaster analysis... given a few of those briefs in my time... as a disaster manager

And if that was the way it happened... it is a worst case scenario

If it was not a worst case, but rather a there will be martial law... then I want the evidence since the time to get out into the streets is long passed

[doublethink]

25. Agreed .... but I'll just be happy with a youtube link for now ...

to see for myself on just what was said in the OP.

[Beam Me Up]

49. See my post below in this thread. n/t

[dgibby]

32. It's posted on another thread on this page.

It does refer to martial law in America, not the House.

[99th_Monkey]

52. It took a little while, but here is the link to the C-Span video of Rep. Sherman's remarks.

Gongressional members threatened with "martial law in America"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=205488&mesg_id=205488

[endthewar]

39. Uninformed fearmongering

:eyes:

[Caretha]

41. What the fuck is your deal dude???

You already admitted you were wrong several hours ago in another thread pertaining to what Sherman was saying. See your thread below:
People are not "fear mongering". They are discussing a very important statement made in front of congress. Let me stress that, since you seem to be a bit on the dim side, that is a VERY VERY serious allegation. It's called blackmailing our elected officials. Now explain to me what you don't get about that? And if you can't ...please recuse yourself from the discussion while the grown-ups try to figure out what the fuck is going on.

endthewar (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-02-08 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #39
43. I concede I was wrong about that point
Now please will you concede about the fear-mongering that is taking place here. It's clear that he didn't say that martial law WOULD BE declared like many of you on this thread are suggesting. He said that other things could take place that could lead to martial law. You know, al Qaeda might launch another attack on the US that could lead to martial law. I'm looking forward to commenting on that thread when it comes up too.

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

17. They were told privately that the market would drop 3000

points one day and 2000 the next and there would be martial law in the streets. That's my recollection of it. Has anyone played it back ? Anyone got it on youtube yet ?

[cascadiance]

19. Ah! The truth is coming out why we aren't doing impeachment!

Yet ANOTHER item to add to the list of crimes that merit impeachment by these criminals!

[tom_paine]

23. Exactly how close are we to the Bushie Abyss Point of No Return?

That point at which it becomes impossible for America ever to bee free again without a tear-down and a build-up?

That may be the only relevant question left to ask. How close to the point of No Return?

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. If this actually happened it is way late

and we both know it

We've been screaming and warning for naught

:-)

[dgibby]

33. I think we've already passed the tipping point.

[Irish Girl]

34. There is always a point of return

It just requires an immense amount of courage.

[tom_paine]

44. If you are thinking what I am thinking: National Marches and Strikes, for starters.

Something of a return to the pre-1930s, not that it is particularly wise to refight those old fights, but of course the decision was never ours in the first place. Perversely, it was the collective decision of the top 1% to steadily retake what the peasantry had gain in the New Deal and the post-WWII boom.

Second, look around yourself and ask if even 1 in 10 people has that immense courage you speak of, to engage in such things? (and if you are speaking of violence, let's just say I strongly disagree and do not wish to speak further of it if that is your meaning)

Now, we can't be sure until Crunch Time comes, and I certainly would be happy if I was mistaken in this, but I don't see 1 in 100 having it.

And if you think I am saying this from the smug superior view of one of those 1 in 100 or 100 with immense courage...guess again.

If I was I would be facing trumped-up terorism charges with the members of the RNC Welcoming Committee.

Or, like Naomi Wolf and the others, have my e-mail and snail mail tampered with, and God knows what else (if those allegations are true, and I think they likely are. What Hannity-Head WOULDN'T slobber at the chance to HAVE AUTHORITY'S PERMISSION (whatever Bushies are authorizing this, either high up or local Bushie Leaders acting on their own) to open a subversive's mail and sort of mildly terrorize them with these casual and apparently unstoppable violations of person and privacy.?

You and I know it would be the RARE Bushie Dittohead Hannity-Brained Moron who said no to such a tempting and consequence-free offer (ESPECIALLY IF THE LOCAL BUSHIE PARTY COMRADE LEADER TOLD HIM IT WAS OK WINK WINK AND HE COULDN'T GET IN ANY TROUBLE DOING IT).

Anyway I digress. My point is, if you think I think myself one of those few of immense courage, then you are mistaken. I wish I was. But as I said, if I was I'd be out there with RNCWC or Naomi Wolf and the American Freedom Agends.

But no. People like me are the reason the Bushies have gotten away with so goddamned much inthe first place. We should have been striking and protesting in Dec. 2000 when it was stolen from Gore. While we still had a chance to stop this thing.

[Irish Girl]

54. No, I'm not speaking of violence, Thomas Paine.

I am very much a pacifist except when pushed to dire circumstances.

Speaking of Naomi Wolf's email being tampered with, I believe The Public Safety and Cyber Security Enhancement Act of 2001 proposes vast power to the federal government to access private email messages without even having to show probable cause. All that would be required is to claim that the action is for the purpose of public safety or national security, and this could be done by any government agency, not just law enforcement.

Our freedoms are crumpling. But I have faith in the American people to stand up and defend our Constitution when the time is needed.

[tom_paine]

55. Right with you, there, except my hope for the Amerikan Subject Populace is in question.

It still could go either way, in the long run.

[Citizen Kang]

26. I hope...

A true patriot like Brad Sherman does not get on any airplanes in the next month...or get depressed...or have any skeletons in his closet at all.

He just blew the lid off this thing. I believe him 100%.

[sixmile]

27. And I was called conspiracy theorist

thinking that * could actually engineer a "catastrophe" in order to declare martial law, suspend the Constitution and cancel the elections.

I don't see this bill passing the House tomorrow.

[Duncan]

29. "ransom" not "random"? nt

[moodforaday]

42. k&r, nt

:kick:

[adamuu]

43. He's clearly referring to the REAL martial law, as in "in America". K&R

this is a must-watch.

[Delphinus]

46. Kicking,

need to keep this in view.

[Supersedeas]

47. that ought to be enough to push the Repigs that hid behind Nancy's skirt the last time

to change their votes like a bunch of whimpering little cowards because the thought of marshall law hurts their feelings.

Yeah, we are talking about Eric the Coward Cantor, Jasmine Jebbie Hensarling, Adam Powerpuff Putnam and the rest of the sniveling lil' pigs that blamed the failure to pass on Pelosi's devastating speech and its impact on their delicate psyches.

Watch ALL of THEM vote for this bill now. Republican Chickenshits.

[Beam Me Up]

48. YouTube vid

This link is to the PART of his statement on the floor that mentions the fear mongering. He said a lot more than this and I wish this had the whole statement but it is only the fear mongering part:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2135196021413874239&ei=qz3mSPnBFKO2qAP3i7DVDw&q

[fed_up_mother]

56. Here's the clip on YouTube re threatened with martial law

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaG9d_4zij8