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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:41 PM
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If the lack of a bailout is such a disaster, answer me this:
Why are the currency markets holding steady?

Since most of my customers are overseas, I keep a close eye on foreign exchange rates, and throughout the day, the dollar was fluctuating in a narrow range of less than one cent against all major currencies.

Now that it's daytime in Asia, the dollar has fallen one cent against the yen and the euro and has actually risen about a cent against the pound.

Frankly, I've seen the dollar fall two or three cents per hour for a couple of hours at a stretch, as it did earlier this summer.

Can anyone explain the panic in the stock market as opposed to the calm in the foreign exchange markets?



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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:44 PM
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1. K&R!
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:45 PM
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2. They are next. This whole system is going down the tubes.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:46 PM
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3. Link please
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:46 PM
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4. Does that mean all currencies are going to fall? Or just the dollar?
:shrug:
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:49 PM
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7. All currencies can't fall
Currency markets are relative.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:53 PM
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8. Of course they can't. That's why I don't understand the poster's assertion
The dollar could certainly crash, but that would be relative to some other currency, which would remain strong.
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 11:07 PM
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12. If the world economy goes down with the US
then there will be no change in currency. Europe and Asia are still dependent on the US economy, so it is a realistic scenario.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 11:12 PM
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14. Not as dependent as they used to be
I know from my translation work that Japan has reduced its dependence on the U.S. (not eliminated it, of course) and concentrated on developing new markets in developing countries, Eastern Europe, and even Western Europe.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 05:56 PM
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28. Gold and it is remaining strong
:shrug:
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lostnotforgotten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:46 PM
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5. Maybe The Currency Traders Know This Is A Scam
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:48 PM
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6. That's my take on it, too
They're pretty astute about which economic moves are good and which are bad.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:58 PM
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10. They don't care if it is a scam or not as long as they get to keep gambling a bit
longer.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:55 PM
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9. K&R
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 11:05 PM
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11. Who are you going to believe? George Bush or your own lying eyes?
Would Bush lie to you? Would Bush cry wolf and try to incite fear and panic in order to push through some ill-considered piece of garbage legislation? Don't be ridiculous. You must trust Bush.

Scream and holler, run and shout!
Or Bush will let the monsters out!

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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 11:10 PM
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13. The Dow Jones Pre-market Futures are up +84.
Make of that what you will. Maybe some people buying in low, but it isn't continuing to drop. The opening will be interesting.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 11:27 PM
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15. It's afternoon in Asia, and the dollar is still holding steady
against the yen, euro, and pound, still fluctuating in a narrow range only one cent away from its values during the U.S. business day.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 11:28 PM
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16. It's a global phenomenon
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 11:41 PM
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17. It Affects All Countries
the dollar might even go up during a crash in relation to a lot of other currencies. US is still safer than most other places.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 02:04 AM
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18. Hmm, dollar holding amazingly steady against
the euro, yen, and pound, and it's almost the end of the business day in Asia. :eyes:
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 02:07 AM
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19. It'll probably fail without the bailout. It'll definitely fail with Paulson's version.
It is intended to fail. I don't get it. What part of "the Bush administration is not to be trusted" do people fail to grasp?
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 02:16 AM
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20. Asian and European markets are going through the floor too
In case you hadn't noticed, this is a global credit crisis. The various central banks are not going to allow currency runs at a time like this and would buy t-bills heavily if the dollar came under attack.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 02:19 AM
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21. Checked Asian markets lately?
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 09:01 AM
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22. Yes, the dollar regained against the yen
was holding steady against the pound, and was up slightly against the euro. :shrug:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 09:04 AM
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23. That is curious.
No one has really been talking about the dollar.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 09:14 AM
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24. The international markets need dollars to buy treasury bills
Edited on Tue Sep-30-08 09:14 AM by HamdenRice
There are very conflicting pressures on the dollar right now:

Downside:

- investors fleeing from mbs and other dollar denominated US securities, dumping dollars causing downward pressure;

- investors dumping dollars because of fear caused by failure of bailout;

- investors dumping dollars as they get out of equities;

- investors dumping dollars because of trade the trade deficit;

- much smaller number of investors dumping dollars because of concern about the long term credit worthiness of t-bills;

Upside:

- a huge portion of the "flight" from dollar denominated securities like mbs is turned right around to treasury bills, which are still considered the safest investment on the planet (at least until some other financial super power emerges); yield on treasuries is approaching zero because of demand for treasuries.

No one knows which way these conflicting forces will eventually push the dollar.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 11:10 AM
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26. ding ding ding!
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 11:09 AM
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25. Well, well, the dollar's still rising
Recovered against the yen, and up slightly against the pound and euro.

Maybe the world (aside from the banks that were too closely tied to Wall Street financial schemes) DIDN'T want the bailout after all.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 05:29 PM
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27. The dollar is still holding steady
In fact, it's up against the yen, euro, and pound since yesterday.

I bet the currency traders know that the bailout would have exacerbated inflation.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 08:17 AM
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29. Wednesday morning, October 1
Dollar up slightly against the yen and euro, way up against the pound.
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