THE OCTOBER SURPRISE: Do you think it is coming and what do you think it will be?

[tom_paine]

Poll question: THE OCTOBER SURPRISE: Do you think it is coming and what do you think it will be?

Let me first say, I think know NO one can know the future in detail before it happens. I am open to the possibility of psychic phenomena, etc., but just believe it hasn't been scientifically and reproducibly shown to exist.

But that is not the point of this OP...except to point out that analyzing trends and making overall predictions based on them is a far cry from the psychic's assertion that they see everything in great detail.

Having said that I believe that, analyzing past trends and observing Bushie levels of dishonesty, mendacity, fraud, and basic contempt for the Constsituion, Bill of Rights, and Elections combined with the observation of their Massive and Powerful Political Propaganda Machine in Action...and combine all THAT with their total and 100% willingness to turn the instruments of the State into a political tool and appendage of Bushie Electoral Aspirations (i.e. keeping it close enough to steal and backfill with a Plausibly Deniable Story for the Subject Populace) means that there is a 99% chance of an October Surprise, coming in some form, maybe more than one, between now and Phony Election 2008.

I cannot predict what it/they will be, anymore than I could have predicted that the 2004 version would be the two Bush-Bin Laden video releases in late Oct. 2004, one of Bin Laden and one of the masked "American al-Qaeda".

But, as I said on this day in 2004, the only thing that is 99% certain is that an October Surprise WILL happen. Totalitarian Tyrants like the Bushies seldom "disappoint" and I strongly suspect they will not "disappoint" this time, either.

So, what do you think, DUers? Will there even be an October Surprise? And if so, take your guess as to what mendacious, fear-ramping, spine-shocking Bushie Op is going to be released upon us to get the statistcially-certain 4-8% McBush Fear Bounce (to go with the 4-8% McBush Fear Bounce generated by the Busie Georgian OP last month)?

Spin the wheel and take your guess DU! The only thing I personally am sure of is that 2008 will NOT be the same as the 2004 version. No Bush-Bin Laden Campaign Videos this time around, I think. That would be poor marketing and if the Bushies are good at any one thing that isn't directly related to criminal mendacity, it is marketing.

[noel711]

1. One word: Iran...

[tekisui]

2. They want bidLaden's body.

Another attack on American soil would be a major failure for them. A new war in Iran or Pakistan would be a failure for them.

They want bin Laden's body and are risking war with Pakistan for it.

[seasat]

3. I think the Paulson bailout is the surprise.

It's going to allow McCain and Repubs distance themselves from Bush. They are hoping that Democrats don't think about it and pass a big government program that Repubs can oppose then attack us for. Fortunately, I think our party is not buying Paulson's Shock and Awe.

[Virginia Dare]

25. I think this whole thing really hurts McCain..

I have two theories:

1) The plan was for this not to happen until early next year

2) McCain is the sacrificial lamb, so that Romney and Bushco can be back in the saddle in 4 years after the dust settles a bit

[seasat]

56. IMHO, they desperately want McCain to win.

If Obama is elected, both he and Biden have promised to investigate Shub inc's shenanigans. If they've committed half the crimes that we think they have committed then the neoconservative branch of the Repub party is out of business. IMHO, there are probably deeper more serious crimes that have been covered up. Getting McCain elected is the only way they can continue to hide them.

While the focus on the economy hurts McCain, they know that this down turn can't be postponed before the election. The liquidity crisis puts Democrats in a possible Catch-22. If they buy the Repub's hype and pass a plan similar to Paulson's then the Repubs will hammer Democrats over a big spending program to favor banking interests. If they don't do anything, they'll blame the worsening economy on lack of action by the Democratic party.

It seems to me that the liquidity problems are real. Economists like Paul Krugman, who did a lot of academic work on the Asian financial crisis in the 90's, say there is a real problem. However, I don't think that it is a problem that requires passing Paulson's proposal immediately. We need a plan where tax payers take some equity in the firms to minimize any government losses (and hopefully make a long term profit), include enough penalties for the firms so that only those that absolutely are in danger of failing sign up, include measures to protect homeowners from foreclosure, and increase regulation of the finance industry. Dodd's plan or the proposal by the Center for American Progress would be good starting points.

[rhett o rick]

41. HEY, you ruined the surprise. nm

[FSogol]

4. Gas prices to drop to $2.89 a gallon 2 weeks before election day. n/t

[tom_paine]

7. Actually, I think that is going to happen, too. But that's no October Surprise.

That's just their standanrd operating plan, it's just that as gas gets more costly, the drops and increases become more obvious (not all drops are caused by such...that would be ridiculous, but let's just say that I think the Oil markets probably have quite a bit of Enroning worked into them, to say the least) in their timing.

Look at the oil markets today. The Free Market is, in fact, spoiling the Bushies' Plans because the decay and decline of America is plainer and plainer every day.

So it will be interesting to see how this plays out, though inthe end all it probably means is the Phony Pre-Election Price Drop will be down to $3.10/gal instead of $2.90.

But that's no October Surprise. Loosley defined, I believe an October Surprise is a pre-staged event (or stage-managed, let's say if in 2004 the videos were real but the Busheis held their release for months...something like that) that shocks a nation into fear and support of authoritarian "they'll keep us safe" tyrant figures like Bush, Cheney, and McCain, to name three.

The Phony Election Price Drop belongs in the Category of Bushiganda Geslalt-Based Propaganda Ops, not the seperate October Surprise Op or Ops yet to come.

[earth mom]

5. The criminals aren't done with us yet. Not by a long shot.

:tinfoilhat:

[gordianot]

6. Due to the severe financial crisis the election will be suspended.

That would be the only scenario that might surprise me. Bush will claim the relief is not quick enough and does not rescue the super rich.

A real terrorist attack on American soil, threatening video from the Bin Laden family would not be a surprise.

[tom_paine]

9. I think outright display of "old school totalitarian tyranny" is about the only thing the Bushies

dare not do. That would wake too many people up too fast. If it does happen like that, it can only mean the Bushies believe the Amerikan Populace pose ZERO THREAT. And I believe that, like Caesar, they don't exactly fear the Amerikan Subject Populace, instead they view us with contempt.

But one thing they DO fear, and maybe the only thing, is widespread awakening of massive numbers of people in a short period of time, which could possibly, no matter how slim the chances, could lead to a massive violent uprising. That would break the Bushies' Prize, and they will avoid doing that as long as they can, I think.

And why bother with taking such a chance when you can achieved nearly the very same levels of control without taking such risks?

Cancelling the elections may happen, but if they do it mean the Old American Republic is completely and irrevocably OVER. And I think the Bushies need most people to keep believeing the Old American Republic is alive and well, not sick and dying and scarecely even alive in any real sense.

[Virginia Dare]

28. They held elections during the Civil War and the Great Depression..

I don't think this would be a sufficient excuse to cancel the election.

[gordianot]

52. When did anything the Bush administration ever do anything that was not in excess?

I am convinced they cannot afford anyone poking around in the garbage they might leave behind.

[fla nocount]

8. Bushco has been ordered from headquarters-Iran

It will hard to pull off with a jaded world looking on and expecting it though. Something domestic perhaps or something from Afghanistan/Pakistan involving Iran.

[bdamomma]

10. let us keep our eye on Cheney

and will they be that stupid enough to come out like they did in 2004 with another Bin Laden video tape? they always seem to use the same ole playbook.

Financial crisis is their pre emptive shock and awe on us.

[tom_paine]

11. and Rove, too. Are they "vacationing" like they were in Georgia when setting THAT up?

Where they are going, you can be sure the October Surprise will follow...

[Virginia Dare]

24. Cheney's a busy boy these days..

today he's down on the Hill making sure that the looting of the U.S. Treasury is on schedule.

[melody]

12. More mental and emotional energy has been wasted on October Surprise trepidation

None of the "October Surprise" scenarios EVER happen.

Osama is in somebody's freezer. Fat Osama doesn't have the spark Elvis Osama had. We don't have enough troops to fight any war. This whole thing is like a big David Blaine stunt that keeps trying to distract everyone's eye while they pick our pockets.

[tom_paine]

14. Excuse me? That's 100% bullshit. What planet were YOU living on in November 2004?

None of the "October Surprise" scenarios EVER happen.

Did you really say that? :rofl:

A-HEM.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3966741.stm

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=206661
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20041029/alqaeda_video041028
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=620008n

You know, I can take a lot of things and remain civil, but after ten long years of Bushiganda bullshit, one thing I cannot stand is for someone to "look me in the eye" and tell me a 100% absolute demonstrably false falsehood.

You just did that. That very thing. Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit.

Further, all this "angst" about October Surprises serves a purpose. As we all know, the first rule of advertising/propaganda/PR is that people are more easily manipulated when the thought that they might be being manipulated never enters their minds. This is scientific truth back up up hundreds of experiments over decades.

Therefore, to lessen the effectiveness of the planned October Surprise we must publicize that they have done it before (1980 and 2004, at the very least) and are likely going to do it again.

A slim chance, yet by scoffing at and denying the possibility of such, even GIVEN 2004, which you amazingly erased from your mind's history, I suppose, we do the Bushies work for them.

[Tarc]

16. Maybe the Flying Spaghetti Monster orechetrated it all

:tinfoilhat:

Please, stop being a twit and denigrating the DU with this swill. We have more important things to work towards this fall than trying to prepare ourselves for imaginary conspiracies.

[melody]

18. Thank you. Exactly. n/t

[tom_paine]

20. The Coincidence Theorist: God's Gift to Tyrants EVERYWHERE.

Know what else were Lying Lib'rul Conspiracies?

Watergate
The Tuskegee Experiments
Iran-Contra
Enron gaming the energy market
Operation MK-Ultra
Operation Mockingbird
Operation Northwoods
ETC.

You call me a twit, you useful and useless idiot. Useful only to the tyrants who shit in your face and tell you it's just a coincidence, that it's juts some aromatic chocolate pudding, which you lap up.

YOU, Coincidence Theorist, are the one who denigrates DU with your head-in-the-sand-idiocy and your sneering contempt for what becomes disgracefully more obvious and exposed every day.

Oh, but you are a common creature, always a major player in all the tragedies of human history.

It is simply not possible that the Nazis are industrially executing millions. Not only would such a massive conspiracy be impossible to contain, but it simply makes no sense to divert the massive amount of resources and rilling stock to such an effort during a war when every common-sense logistical imperative and axiom argues against it. Nonsense.

Can one actually think the Church, who's stated goal is the salvation of humankind, would purposefully whip up the hatreds of the useful idiot populace causing the murders of innocent Jews, "witches", intellectuals and homosexuals, EVEN THOUGH THEY KNEW THEIR VICTIMS WERE INNOCENT?

I mean, really! I have always been a devoted member of the Church and always will be. If people are tortured and murdered in the Inquisition, then it must because they have committed some terrible crime. I mean, the Church wouldn't do that to innocent people would they?

I tried to be civil, but civility doesn't work with you head-in-the-sand-ostrich useful idiots.

Even J. Edgar Hoover knew about you millions and laughed at you, when he said The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.

And who would know better than J. Edgar Hoover, except perhaps Goebbels, who uttered something similar about you, just how useful the head-in-the-sand-ostrich useful idiot is to them?

You are perhaps the most ubiquitous kind of human being that exists. Whatever your personal behavior, you can so easily be turned into a Good German...simply by presuming that such could NEVER happen to YOU. YOU could never be fooled like that.

Which of course ensures, guarantees and makes certain that if you ARE fooled, as you are most likely (though it is still slightly possible that is is all just a BIG COINCIDENCE), that the bamboozle will have you in it's grip forever. That you will not even dare to acknowledge what is your defining characteristic, your blind useful idiocy, and therefore can never escape.

I, even given the massive amount of evidence (oh for an investigatory body not run by or frightened of the Bushie Machine!), still acknowledge I might be wrong.

Though I understand how such a though could never appear in the head of a Useful Idiot like you. never in a million years. Useful Idiots NEVER consider that they might be wrong. Having observed you types all of my life, it makes me redouble my efforts to never forget that correlation does not equal causation and absence of evidence does not equal evidence of absence.

You probably don't even know what that means, and don't want to know. You are legion and you can be found in every place and time in history. You might be nice or you might be mean, but your are not a danger to the rest of us until the Tyrants start THEIR work.

In a strong and healthy republic we would never be having this conversation, and you could live your life without ever having to "active" your useful idiocy. In such a society, say America 1945-2000, such a characteristic would have no opportunity to mark you.

Unfortunately for all of us, we do not live in such a society, and as such are once again, for the thousandth time in history probably, into the historically ubiquitous categories of Those Who Can See It Coming and the "Good Germans".

It has happened hundreds of times before in hundreds of nations. While the human race still exists it is clear that it will keep happening again and again. And you, as have have every time in human history before, will do what you always do. deny, deny, deny and quite aggressively. But perhaps it is not me you called a twit (to which I have happily dished you back tenfold in incivility and will do so again if you persist in insulting me), but your own emaciated consciousness in the concentration camp of your mind.

You have to beat it and starve it, lest your ego be affected. Thus, you ego is the concentration camp guard shouting at your shriveled emaciated consciousness, Quiet you! Shut up! This isn't happening! It simply can't be happening! And any evidence I see I will shout down and MAKE it not happening with the force of my denial and the sneering contempt I show to anyone who dares articulate what my shriveled emaciated consciousness moans after my ego has given it a particularly good beating.

:rofl:

Useful idiots. You are everywhere and yet nowhere except with nose planted firmly in tyrants asshole. And that unpleasant smell? Mint. Just aromatic mint.

:rofl:

Looks like it's time for your ego to go down to your mental Auschwitz and beat up your consciousness again...

Other than that you have a choice. Respond to me civilly, in which case I will do so and maybe we can have an actual conversation. Or insult me again, in which case I am going to rip and insult you twice as hard and as often as I just did.

Or don't respond at all if you have nothing other than insults to say. Though I somehow suspect you will be unable to do so. After all,it's probably me you're not attacking, but your own emaciated concentration camped consciousness. His ribs are showing as are the balls of his hips, so starved and sickly is he.

[Tarc]

22. Brevity is the soul of wit, kiddo

If you think anyone actually did more than skim your tinfoil novella, you're in for some sore disappointment.

But hey, whatever wets your whistle. You and the handful of like-minded nutjobs who've sipped the same kool-aid can go right on preparing for whatever it is that lurks in your tortured imagination.

The rest of us will work towards debunking and deflating what actually comes from the McCain/Caribou Barbie camp.

[tom_paine]

30. Well, I do appreciate your work for Obama, but otherwise you are a fool.

No question, helping to get Obama elected is of far more benefit than posting to DU. I have worked extensively in the three previous elections and donated my ass off.

I'm betting my couple hundred hours of service over the last three elections, literally knocking on hundreds of doors and literally making thousands of phone calls, has your service beat all hands down. I've taken a day off of work in '02, '04, and '06 to spend the day working for the Democratic Party, driving seniors to polls or doing whatever needed to be done.

In '06 I spent the whole day out driving and door-knocking. Those Dean Doorknockers worked the trick. For the first time in '06, excellent organization. I was a part of our victory that hasn't really been a victory. The young lady I was partnered with, an African-American, enduring being called the N-Word at one house and another threatened to sic their german shepherd on her. At Democratic house, yet, this happened! Tough kid, she kept going, though it was touch and go for awhile after being called the N-word. She took a half hour to collect herself and almost quit, but didn't.

So don't conflate having an opinion, one supported by an increasing amount of criminal (or would have been considered criminal 20 years ago) behavior now performed shamelessly in plain sight with not working in the real world or supporting the Democratic cause. I donated $1,500 to various Democratic causes and candidacies during 2002-2006. How much did YOU donate in that time?

Just what was the Fired US Attorney's Scandal but part of a conspiracy to bring false charges against Democrats right before election time. Right in plain sight.

And STILL you don't see it. Dumbass. Blind dumbass. What was the Fired US Attorney's Scandal about, dumbass?

Get off your high horse. I'd be willing to put my service to America and the Democratic party against yours. And if you are among those 0.1% of people who have done MORE than I have in 2002-2006 donate basically everything you could afford and a little bit more (depending on your income) and spent more than 100 hours during those three elections canvassing phone calling and data-banking for the Democratic Party. If you have, like I have, taken every even number election year off since 2002 to spend the day working for free for the Democrats...THEN you can bitch at me. If not, shut the fuck up and catch up to me in hours serving at Democratic Campaign Headquarters!

We are on the same side, in the end, and both wish Obama will be elected. So, even in your blind ignorance, you have at least enough dim vision to see THAT.

I mean, most people as close-minded and contemptuous as you are, wind up as Bushies. So you dodged a bullet there, Mr. Brief Attention Span Who Talks Like Hannity. With YOUR mind, you are much more likely to have been a Bushie than here with us Lib'Rul Intellectuals and Our Crazy Conspiracy Theories.

And somehow, every day it seems as in the Fired Attorney's Scanal and Siegelman/Minor/Thomapson, among dozens of examples, yesterday's conspiracy theory is today's reality.

And you are still too blind to see (Fired Attoreny's Scandal). Poor thing.

That brief enough for your short attention span? Probably not. Sorry, I left my kindergarten primer at home today. You'll have to bear with complex thoughts that take time to articulate. Apologies for being unable to speak in soundbite. Poor me. Not as fast as a Coke Commercial and therefore, not good enough for you.

Dumbass. :rofl:

P.S. I'm no kid. Not even close. But thanks for guessing, even if so poorly. :rofl:

That guess was as poor as the rest of your blind Coincidence Theorists' vision.

[Tarc]

32. Another TLDR?

Nutjobs like you are more a hindrance to Obama than a benefit.

Hop off the bandwagon, kiddo. (<-- references your mental acumen, not physical age, FYI)

[tom_paine]

33. Um, moron... I'm a scientist. A molecular biologist. Minor in history.

I've probably forgotten more history than you even know.

Lots of dumb people go into molecular biology, don't you know that? Every day at work is a fool's paradise. People throwing food at each other. And the SCREAMING, my God, you've never heard such childish screaming and tantrums!

:rofl:

0 for 3 now, stupid. Please do try again. I'm enjoying this. Stupid molecular biologist, me. Me want candy. Me want RNA binding compound which relevantly inhibits cellular duration of APP (Alzheimer's gene) RNA.

:rofl:

It's like you have known me for my entire life!

:rofl:

Plus, I noticed you failed to mention your level of service to Obama. If you had an adult's attention span you would have seen that I have been quite a "hinderance" to the Democratic Party...by working for and donating my ass off to them for three election cycles. How many hours have YOU spent making phone calls or door knocking? NONE?!?

Yet still you speak as if you did not even read the first paragraph of my posts, let alone all of them? Who's the idiot? You are. No doubt. Keep digging the hole for yourself.

Is THIS brief enough for you, or is your attention still wandering?

[Tarc]

34. Book smart, street stupid, as they say

Go stock up on :tinfoilhat: kiddo, we wouldn't want the Illuminati or the Lizard People to find out that you're on to their Secret October Surprise Plans.

:rofl: indeed.

[tom_paine]

35. 0 for 4. Wrong AGAIN. Born and raised on the streets of Philly.

Book smart AND street smart.

You are just plumb wrong about everything today, aren't you?

Please, do go on...this is very entertaining. Yes, yes, I know you were just turning a glib phrase, a hackneyed, trite, and nonsensical phrase. Merely an insult and little else, but it is as stupidly wrongheaded as everything else you've said, what little there is beyond insult, which is not much at all.

By the law of averages you should get SOMETHING right eventually. Keep throwing some shit to the wall to see if it sticks.

But you're a very sad 0 for 4 so far.

Please do go on. More of your ignorance. It entertains me.

And how about listing the amount of time you've spent helping the Obama Campaign? After all, isn't that where you started? That why couldn't I be like you and help the Democrats so much, right? RIGHT?

Well, how much have YOU helped since 2002?

(cue crikets chriping)

You know, that makes you more full of shit than anything else, even your sneering contempt. A mouth full of shit. How much time have YOU taken off from work to help Democratic candidates? How much have YOU donated? How many hours of your own time, that could so EASILY be better spent in terms of "fun and happiness" than cold-calling Democrats and Independents, have YOU spent?

NONE? I asked you before and I'll ask you again: State your creds. What gives you the right to bitch at me who have worked so hard for the Democrats?

Refuse to answer, and you are exposed as having a mouth full of shit.

If you dare to answer honestly (something I doubt but will give you the benefit of the doubt even still), and your answer is anything less than a dozen hours, your mouth is full of shit.

Answer, or be exposed. HOW MUCH HAVE YOUR WORKED FOR OBAMA THIS YEAR SO FAR?

You know, I am betting you are a mouth full of shit and have volunteered for one half hour, three months ago or something. Big volunteer...that's you.

Oh, a mouth full of shit is what you are, I am almost certain. Answer the question or refuse and be exposed.

[Tarc]

54. You don't think anyone buys this horseshit, do you?

You're a random nerd lying about inflated credentials, who can't help but masturbate over every imagined evil that can befall us in the fabled "October Surprise". :rofl:

A sad, sad joke of a little boy who is getting a richly-deserved *plonk*

[tom_paine]

55. I have been completely honest about who and what I am. And I KNEW you were lying about

volunteering for Obama.

I KNEW IT. No, I have been completely honest, though I understand why you are so thoroughly ass-whipped in this conversation that believing I am lying about everything is your only defense.

And not a very good one.

You're a random nerd lying about inflated credentials,

Project much?

After all, YOU were the one who complained I'm such a detriment to the Democratic Party, and it's no surprise that it turns out you were lying about helping the Obama campiagn.

I've already done more for the Democratic party than you will have if you lived to be 100. Otherwise, you would have proudly stated your credentials of volunteering service.

Instead, shamed and embarrassed, all you have left is to accuse me of being what you are...a liar.

But no, I will say it again: I have been 100% honest about where I grew up, my service to the PA Congressional, Senate and Kerry Campaigns, and all the rest of it.

But your projection is richly amusing and revealing.

How long have you been lying about volunteering for Obama? Does it excite you in a masturbatory fashion to insult and smear "conspiracy theorists", even though so many Bushie conspiracy theories have turned out to be actual criminal conspiracies, like the Fired US Attorney's Scandal? Does it make you feel strong? I'm guessing you are exactly what you have projected onto me, a pimple-faced college student with no life experience and 10 lbs. of shit wrapped up in an egocentric 5 lb. bag.

But, I'm sorry. I know with your short attention span this is probably already hurting your head to read a post this long. So I will wrap it up.

I know who I am, and I know that I have been honest with you about myself. That's all I need to know to make your calumnies as impotent as your intellect. I know that I have had a great life, wonderfrul friends, family and memories. And living well is the best revenge.

Based upon your projection of yourself onto me, you must be a pretty sad guy. It must be tough for you, being a random nerd. My sympathies, but your personal pathetic life story doesn't excuse your being an asshole.

I also know that, based on your reluctance to state your service to the Democratic Party these last eight years, you are also projecting the lying part of yourself onto me. Tsk-tsk.

But again I thank you. Most revealing and amusing. I must have kicked your ass pretty square for you to resort to that last projection of yourself on to me. That pleases me, though your ego will never allow you to admit it publicly and will likely drive you to new levels of projection of your negative character aspects onto me.

Please do so. This is as revaling as listening to a Bushie describe how the "Demcrats" suppress votes.

Project much, Tace? Oh yes you do. So very much. And now it's exposed for all to see.

:rofl: :rofl:

[TheWatcher]

46. Please see post #45.

And by all means, keep sleeping half-wit.

[G_j]

48. So are we supposed to supply the links

that verify past October surprises, because you don't feel like doing the research before making such absurd statements?

[TheWatcher]

51. Of course not.

You have to understand, it's not about reality, Truth, facts, or history.

No, not for Intellectual Elites like him.

That stuff is far too tiresome, and gets in the way of what's really important and relevant.

PERCEPTION. You see, it is the careful management of his PERCEPTION of things around him that allows him to feel good and feel comfortable. As long as he stays safely within the parameters of his carefully constructed false paradigms, he doesn't have to think critically, objectively, hell he doesn't have to think at all. He just refers to the talking points and ideas in this wonderfully self-contained construct of "reality" and that is what is always true, no matter what.

Now, when he sees or reads something that causes conflict with that construct, that is a "threat" to his sanctuary, and it must be eliminated or neutralized, thus bringing forth the behavior we usually see from these types, in the form of mocking, insults, ad hominem attacks, or various other verbal, and sometimes even physical hostilities if it is necessary.

There is no point in trying to reach people like this.

They would rather die for a lie, than live for the truth. (Or allow others to seek it and bring it to light, which would also threaten their construct.)

It's that simple. And that complex.

[melody]

17. I don't debate with anyone who has to use ROFL icons and streams of profanity to make a point

Welcome to my ignore list.

[tom_paine]

21. I don't see where you "debated" at all

I responded in entirely the tone you deserved. I wasn't trying to debate you. I was shoving your nose in the falsehood you just told. You brought no intellectual conversation to the table, all you did is sneer and dismiss.

Further, you did so by uttering a complete and utterly demonstrable 100% falsehood akin to stating that day was night. I refuted it and provided links which support the debunking of your 100% LIE.

Therefore, you deserved no better response. I won't make the effort to properly debate someone who makes no effort themselves. It's a waste of time.

[truedelphi]

31. Make I ask then, why you are on DU??

Sometimes I think it should be DUI...

Just kidding, I'm on your side.

[melody]

38. I know, it's like they're flinging excrement at the lesser monkeys lol

Best to just ignore them I think.

[Ignis]

39. Perhaps you should try another forum?

One that doesn't allow emoticons and bans profanity sounds like it would fit the bill.

[TheWatcher]

45. And welcome to mine.

The amusing thing about you and the other twit who felt the need to waste everyone's time in this thread is that you think you are debating at all.

The only thing you bought to the discussion is mocking and insults, and it is the only thing you are CAPABLE of bringing to any discussion that disturbs the fragile little feel good Matrix you live in.

It's really pathetic to the point you deserve sorrowful pity instead of rancor. So afraid of ANYTHING that will disturb the rose-colored paradigms you have come to depend on to survive and even function in daily life. So fragile and afraid that you attack, mock and shout down anyone that even DARES utter a word or idea that falls outside their parameters.

Look, we get it.

You can't handle ANYTHING.

So instead of attacking, giggling, snickering, mocking, and flinging insults whenever you see a discussion like this going on, why not shut the fuck up, keep your mouth shut, and retire to some other thread where like minded zombies like yourself can soothe each other with rose-colored talk that makes you feel comfortable, safely insulating you like a babe in a blanket from all the fears of what the awful "kooks" talk about.

So far, the only fecal slinging I see going on in this thread is from you and the other twit that tried his hand at being clever-witted, and simply came off like a half-drunk obnoxious asshole that one might find at any bar or dinner party.

Please go back to Pleasantville and stay there.

And please accept ALL apologies for disturbing your peaceful meadow.

We now return you to the safe, Superior Indifference of the 1930's, where as long as you Think You Are Free, YOU ARE!

So Magical.

[melody]

47. this is actually coming in handy

Welcome to my ignore list ... this is actually coming in handy.

I think I posted a couple of times to this thread but the last one really got to the gestalt it seems.

I swear all the time and use icons but when somebody inserts a stream of both instead of a post, then I draw the line and
will respond ... whether you like it or not.

That said, this is my last post to the thread. Enjoy yourselves in killing yourself for the last word.

[TheWatcher]

50. There, that's better.

You sound so much more reasonable and pleasant when all I see is "Ignored."

By all means, keep talking to yourself.

:hi:

[cali]

13. The October Surprise came in September and it didn't help the pukes

There's not much that's going to top the financial systems meltdown.

[bdamomma]

15. yea,, I think they Paulson and his gang wanted this to happen

later, financial shock and awe, let us keep focused and leveled headed on this. The GOP is grasping for air.

read this:

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Meltdown_Voters_blaming_GOP_for_financial_0922.html

Meltdown: Voters blaming GOP for financial crisis

[Virginia Dare]

23. It appeared that they tried to delay it as long as possible..

they were probably trying to get to the end of the year, but the explosion of foreclosures finally turned the tide.

[Zech Marquis The 2nd]

19. Osama making another video threat

you know, the one where he personally praises Obama as his brother, wearing an Obama/Biden t shirt while threatening to blow up something else...or * doing shit to start something with Iran or North Korea.

BUT, I think this bailout nonsense might be an even bigger issue..

[ColbertWatcher]

26. Almost certain it will happen. It will be another October crash. n/t

[Sheets of Easter]

27. With the public going ga-ga over a cougar running mate, they really don't need one.

[Snazzy]

29. Maybe a nuke in the heart

Consequence management team active Oct 1:

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Army chief visits newly assigned consequence management force

Sep 15, 2008

BY Patti Bielling, U.S. Army North Public Affairs

FORT STEWART, Ga. (Army News Service, Sep. 15, 2008) -- Troops who are soon to be part of a federal military consequence management force drilled on their new response mission here Sept. 14 under the attentive eye of the Army's senior ranking general.

Gen. George Casey watched, listened and asked questions as Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines walked through how they might fly search and rescue missions, extract casualties and decontaminate those affected by a catastrophic nuclear attack in the nation's heartland.

The Army's chief of staff flew here Sept. 14 to see the force, which will assume its mission Oct. 1 when the units are assigned to U.S. Northern Command. The force's mission will be to respond to CBRNE, or chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, incidents.

The force, known as the CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF, has gone through a week of academics in preparation for a mission readiness exercise Sept. 15-18 at Fort Stewart.

....

http://www.army.mil/-news/2008/09/15/12416-army-chief-visits-newly-assigned-consequence-management-force/

[radfringe]

36. the current bail-out scam IS the october surprise

this is going to hung about the democratic congress as a BUSH-PELOSI-REID Bailout

[tom_paine]

40. Interesting theory. Maybe. It just doesn't seem shocking enough.

At least in the brain-clouding "Save me Fuehrer, Osama is out to get me!" way that sems to help the Bushies.

I need to think on this. It's a unique perspective, although I think someone also articulated something similar above.

The financial crisis creates the WRONG kind of fear to benefit the Bushies, IMHO.

[radfringe]

44. the bail-out bill puts the entire cost on the

backs of us - the non-billionairs - the middle class and poor

billionairs and the bush/goper buddies get bonuses, get to keep their house, their car, their money

a bush-pelosi-reid bailout will be used by the gopers as "the democrats are sticking YOU with the bill, we the repubs are standing up for you - vote mccain"

there will be enough gopers in congress VOTING against the bush-pelosi-reid bailout to make a statement, and just enough gopers voting for it to let it pass and get to bush's desk

[dkofos]

37. The financial crisis is the October suprise.

[rhett o rick]

42. LOL but it happened in Sept. I guess the laugh is on them.

:wtf:

[dkofos]

43. Congress HAS to campaign in Oct. They had to drop the BOMB early.

And everyone knows Oct. is not a good time to introduce a new product.

[ReadTomPaine]

49. There's some interesting discussion in another thread about this today...

Worth a read. In short, the speculation is that they will get Obama to sign on for the bailout and then the McCain campaign will turn around and oppose it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7155560

[Chemical Bill]

53. They don't need it, they control the voting machines. n/t

[Doctor_J]

57. This is not just election phenomenon either. Remember while Bill was prez,

every year a few days before the SOTU the wingers would produce some big "story" to make sure the SOTU was pushed off of the front page. Most of the stories turned out to be false, but Big Media would run with them anyway, and then after the SOTU was over the story would be quietly put to bed.

Yes, something will happen this year too. I haven't a clue what though. I am getting a strange vibe this year. A lot of the individual Big Media whores don't really seem to want Palin to be president. Without their complicity it will be difficult for Sarah & her running mate to steal it.