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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 09:14 PM
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Zodiac Killer's Identity And Weapon Uncovered?
SACRAMENTO (CBS13) ― The Zodiac Killer murdered several people, terrorizing the Bay Area and taunting police in the 60's and 70's. The FBI confirmed to CBS13 on Thursday that they are now running laboratory tests on some items that may link a suspect to the killer.

The evidence was given to the FBI by a Pollock Pines man who also claims he recently found the disguise worn by the Zodiac Killer during one of his attacks.

"The identity of the Zodiac Killer is Jack Tarrance. He's my stepfather," said Dennis Kaufman.

Eight years of Dennis Kaufman's life has been consumed with attempting to prove the only father he's known since he was five-years-old is none other than the Zodiac Killer.

"This is a handwriting comparison I did," Kaufman said, showing handwriting samples of what he claims to be his stepfather's and the Zodiac Killer's. He claims the samples are too similar to be coincidence.

more

http://cbs13.com/local/zodiac.killer.kaufman.2.805799.h...
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 09:16 PM
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1. hmmm I thought Jon Stewart said that was Sarah Palin...
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 09:19 PM
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2. sorry but that's in poor taste
just my two cents
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 09:34 PM
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7. You really like to defend her, don't you? Even from humor.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 03:33 AM
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31. comparing her to a serial killer is in poor taste
comparing anyone to a serial killer who is not a serial killer herself is in poor taste

the families of those killed by the Zodiac Killer have never been able to close the door on the deaths of their loved ones and people on here trivialize those deaths by making a political joke out of them

and please show me where I've defended her

if you're calling me a troll, get some balls and do it instead of hinting at it


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arthritisR_US Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 12:34 AM
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21. poor taste? I thought brklyn might be onto something. n/t
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 09:32 PM
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6. oops. It was Laura Bush who is the Zodiac killer...
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 09:37 PM
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9. I thought that was Pickles /nt
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hendo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 09:44 PM
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11. was that some misguided attempt at humor n/t
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 12:07 PM
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34. No, that was Laura Bush
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 12:16 PM
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38. I thought it was Diaper Dave Vitter, R-LA
:eyes:
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 09:22 PM
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3. My mom was a true crime fanatic
I grew up on true crime books and the Zodiac case has always fascinated me (and millions of others). It will be interesting to see what happens with Kaufman's suspicions.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 09:23 PM
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4. Wow
A lot of possible evidence. It's either the Zodiac or some kid really hates his step-father.
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Tutonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 09:30 PM
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5. My vote is for the latter.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 09:41 PM
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10. Actually, there is considerable evidence pointing to Tarrance
The FBI is doing DNA tests right now. Clearly, they're impressed enough to put man hours behind it.
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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 09:54 PM
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12. The guy who named Arthur Leigh Allen is pissed (voight)
he is attacking Dennis Kauffman.

I went back and looked at the evidence against Allen, first off is the friend that claims he talked about shooting kids. When you go back and read the interview, it loses some impact, it seems like the guy doesn't remember all that much.

Another thing is Voight knocks Kauffman because he says the Zodiac didn't have an accent. But read the interview from the Lake incident survivor - he says the killer had an accent.

Kauffman also speculates that his brother may have been in on it - he looks like the one police sketch of a nervous guy hanging around the lake.

Kauffman has phone interviews with his stepfather where the guy basically admits he was the Zodiac.

The resemblence of Tarrance is closest of any suspect to the police sketches

as you mentioned the writing is uncanny. The same long lines and angle, same small letters. Allen's writing doesn't look similar.

Tarrance had, occupationally, a perfect fit for the killer. And personality he seems to be a good fit.

I don;t know what to make of the hood - can it really be real? Obviously if so than Tarrance is the guy, if not, then Kauffman is like the bigfoot hunters.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 10:03 PM
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13. There's testable evidence for Tarrance
Edited on Sat Sep-06-08 10:04 PM by melody
The knife with dried blood, for one thing. The hood, etc. They never had anything against Allen
except conjecture and circumstance. It's easy to fake an accent. Also what constitutes an "accent"?
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 10:10 PM
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14. True enough. Hope this evidence and DNA profiling proves it was Terrance
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/woman/real_life/ar...

<snip>
Dennis Kaufman has no doubt his stepfather was capable of the cruelty it took to carry out such a dreadful murder.

And when he found what he thinks is the very same black hood hidden inside a public address system belonging to his stepdad, Dennis admits he was terrified.

He says: My heart skipped a couple of beats when I saw it.

It was a black hood with a zodiac on it, so when I first opened it up that did affect me.

Now Ive no doubt the identity of the Zodiac killer is Jack Tarrance, my stepfather.

While Dennis is convinced hes cracked the crime, the FBI are making no comment.

Symbol ... on 2007 film poster

Symbol ... on 2007 film poster

They must first build a DNA profile for Tarrance, and then check it against samples from the Zodiac.

As the wait for their conclusion goes on, Dennis has revealed a very personal reason as to why hed like to see his stepfather declared the Zodiac.

He believes his mum was suffocated by Jack and is therefore one of the serial killers lesser-known victims.

Dennis says: She sat there and told me Jack was trying to kill her and I didn't listen.

I can only imagine how she felt.

Imagine how scary that would be.

That is what kept me going this whole time.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 10:18 PM
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15. Stepfather is dead--what would be te point?
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 11:09 PM
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16. Simply closing the case. It would be good to know definitively that he's dead n/t
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 12:06 PM
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33. No, my question was why Tutonic was betting just retribution
from p'od stepson to asshole, but now dead, stepfather as being behind the motive for Kaufman to finger his stepfather. My post was questioning Tutonic as to what the point would be, given he is dead to pursue that grudge.


I absolutely agree that this needs to be fully investigated for closure.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 12:14 PM
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36. I see that now. I really shouldn't read posts at that hour of the night lol n/t
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 12:16 PM
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37. ...
;)
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 09:36 PM
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8. The handwriting comparisons are downright spooky.
On one hand, it would be good to finally know for sure that the bastard is dead and gone. On the other, it's almost a disappointment, because he was never made to face a jury for what he did.

I'll be looking forward to hearing the results of this.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 12:26 AM
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19. The audio tape where he is talking to the step father about writing the book.
creeped me out.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 11:14 PM
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17. is this the same person who was implicated in the recent film?
It seems to be a trend to implicate your parent in a high profile crime and hawk a book about it. There are several people claiming that their father is the Black Dahlia killer, for instance. I'm skeptical because of that.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 12:29 AM
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20. This guy has been making the claim for a while. And there are sites
out there that break down why they think he's making it up. But the FBI involvement in running tests seems to give him a bit more credibility. Supposedly he found more stuff after his step-father died.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 12:48 AM
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22. That's what makes this a more likely suspect to me
The FBI must have seen something that sets this case apart. Also, there are so many true crime buffs who want to believe they've solved it. Someone once said if it was ever solved, it would be by someone opening a shoebox at an estate sale. This comes close.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 12:54 AM
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25. Yep, Very. Are there any estimated about when the testing should be finished?
I don't recall any time frame mentioned in the thread from the other day...
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 01:00 AM
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26. There was a follow-up story that said the FBI expected results any time now n/t
Edited on Sun Sep-07-08 01:00 AM by melody
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 01:05 AM
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28. I thought it had to be getting close. But it seems like the week prior to the Biden
announcement through today have just been one looooong day. Very exciting stuff. I'm addicted to my computer again. And really losing track of anything not politically related. LOL

It's amazing to think that we may finally have an answer after all these years.
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Rilgin Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 08:28 PM
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41. links
Do you have any links to sites that analyze his evidence. Were any after the finding of the hood?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 12:51 AM
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24. No, that was Arthur Leigh Allen
He died in 1992, just as law enforcement was about to arrest him. A subsequent DNA test from the saliva of the stamp on one of Zodiac's letters seems to have exonerated him, but some experts still think Allen is the one.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 03:53 AM
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32. Thanks, bsg..
I liked the film. The suspect was very creepy. The watch, if true, would be compelling circumstantial evidence.
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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 04:34 PM
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40. Simply because they never had Tarrence as a suspect
for as long as Allen.

There seems to be an issue of dueling investigators also - the various bureaus don't necessarily want to cooperate.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 12:18 AM
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18. Will this be the new 'MISSING WHITE GIRL' that dominates news
Until the election?
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 12:49 AM
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23. No, this is something on the back pages only true crime buffs would read about
If they determine it's him, it'll be one story and nothing more.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 01:02 AM
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27. Jack Torrance?
Edited on Sun Sep-07-08 01:15 AM by intheflow
Wasn't that the father in "The Shining?"

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. :scared:
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flying rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 01:39 AM
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30. Beat me to it
I need to hit refresh more often.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 12:57 PM
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39. Sounds like the name of a porn star
nt
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flying rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 01:32 AM
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29. "Here's Johnny!"
Interesting similarity to the name Jack Torrance.
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 12:14 PM
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35. Does this let Bruce Davis off the hook?
n/t
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