What do dominionist bornagains think of atheists, & how would they treat us if they could?

[Philosoraptor]

[cliffordu]

1. After the rapture??? We be fucked.

[Crunchy Frog]

They believe in establishing a theocracy before the rapture.

[shadowknows69]

13. That's not the way I remember reading it

I was taught we were to accept our persecution as Christians and "turn the other cheek". Gee I wonder who said that?

[Crunchy Frog]

23. That's Christianity that you're describing.

Dominionism is something completely different.

[tomg]

33. Not really. All those fundies

would be gone, and maybe we could get on with the business of building a better world here without those clowns getting in the way.

(no disrespect to the real Evangelicals and people of faith really concerned with social justice - you folks absolutely rock).

[Ian David]

2. They would feed us into gas chambers. n/t

[HeresyLives]

3. Stake, match, pooof.

Same as the last time around.

[Az]

4. Um.. who are you asking?

I think we are the spawn of satan in their eyes. But thats just me guessing.

[Kutjara]

5. I believe the accepted policy...

...is to give us a choice between conversion and death. At least, that's how they handled the problem in the Middle Ages, which is the template upon which most fundies base their thinking. I'd imagine plenty of torture would be included in the "conversion" process.

[ixion]

6. I think that's accurate

[SammyWinstonJack]

15. My choice? Death. And f**k them!

[Fumesucker]

7. Tomas de Torquemada

Tomás de Torquemada (1420 – September 16, 1498) was a fifteenth century Spanish Dominican, first Inquisitor General of Spain, and confessor to Isabella of Spain. He was famously described by the Spanish chronicler Sebastián de Olmedo as "The hammer of heretics, the light of Spain, the saviour of his country, the honour of his order".

[Philosoraptor]

8. ...........

[DailyGrind51]

9. We progressive Catholics and United Church of Christ members will hide you!

[Philosoraptor]

10. Can I wear one of those cool collars?

[DailyGrind51]

21. No, wear a CUBS jacket, when on the North side and a SOX jacket when on the South side,

if you wear the wrong jacket, you are more likely to get a beat down, than if the Dominionists catch you!

[johnaries]

25. Sorry, you'd be considered "blasphemists".

Stonings for all of you!

[DailyGrind51]

30. It's not like "we" have not been through it before!

The KKK went after us in the 1920s!

[cobalt1999]

11. They think like any group that insists everyone should believe like they do.

Step 1: Education
Unbelievers are "uneducated". Therefore, go after the schools & children (get them young strategy). Make movies to convert others. Publish books. MAKE people read & view their stuff. Suppress & Attack anything that contradicts their point of view.

Step 2: Pretend you have the moral high ground
Make converting others a noble and praise worthy activity. In that respect, any means justifies the end goal of conversion. The idea isn't to live and let live. It's now okay to be total assholes & in "in your face" blunt, because it get their message across.

Step 3: No choice
Start passing laws to enforce their morality on others. Once on the legal path, just keep passing laws to eliminate each and every thing that disagrees with their worldview. Slowly at first than more and more.

Step 4: Removal of unbelievers
Off to the re-education and work camps.


All conversion groups do & want the same thing. Be it PETA, Muslims extremists, Born Again Hardcores, etc.

[shadowknows69]

12. Pull up a stake with us pagans Philosoraptor

You'll get no special treatment for having no God, bad as having the wrong one in their eyes.

[Philosoraptor]

14. No pagan nor wiccan has ever given me any grief

[shadowknows69]

16. We're all too busy loving everything and exploring the mysteries of the universe

To do much recruiting. People find their own path.

[noel711]

17. Didja ever read: "The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood?

That's what this reminds me of:

a theocracy at war with the world,
altho there are small uprisings of rebels.
This world is male dominated,
with several classes of women,
one specific class is the breeders,
women of childbearing age that are
rented out to families to bear children.
Other women's classes are one class like trophy wives,
and then the domestics.

Its a terrific, and horrific book.

[johnaries]

26. Never read it, but saw the movie!

Highly recommended.

[noel711]

28. Read it; the movie was a pale rendition.

[johnaries]

31. I'll have to get the book, then. Thanks!

[tomg]

34. I taught it back in 93 for a course I

was teaching that had a couple of dystopic novels. I remember thinking just how unlikely such a scenario was, how we were now past it, and how dating it had blah blah. I would now like to formally apologize to that particular section of The Contemporary Novel. My bad.

[conscious evolution]

18. You think you atheist have it rough

Try being polytheistic.We really send them over the edge.

Remember,their commandment says thou shalt have no OTHER gods.

One thing polytheists and atheists have in common,though,is that they would kill all of us if they could.

[coalition_unwilling]

38. Buddhism tends to really

flummox them. No such thing as sin but . . . karma and reincarnation.

[krabigirl]

19. They want to "save" us, After that, they just want us out of their communities.

Away from their kids (since they don't want the brainwashing to be interrupted by reason). They delight in the fact that we will be going to hell, lol.

[Fumesucker]

20. They delight in the fact that we will be going to hell

And they are definitely not beyond expediting the trip.

They don't even think members of other religions are even human, they would have zero remorse over offing every last one of us..

When you know God's will and God's will happens to coincide with what you want, there is no such thing as second thoughts or remorse.

[kath]

22. see my post on preferred methods of execution - this is what the hardcore dominionists and the

Reconstructionists would do:

Preferred methods of execution:
(from an earlier article by Frederick Clarkson)

Capital Punishment
Epitomizing the Reconstructionist idea of Biblical "warfare" is the centrality of capital punishment under Biblical Law. Doctrinal leaders (notably Rushdoony, North, and Bahnsen) call for the death penalty for a wide range of crimes in addition to such contemporary capital crimes as rape, kidnapping, and murder. Death is also the punishment for apostasy (abandonment of the faith), heresy, blasphemy, witchcraft, astrology, adultery, "sodomy or homosexuality," incest, striking a parent, incorrigible juvenile delinquency, and, in the case of women, "unchastity before marriage."
According to Gary North, women who have abortions should be publicly executed, "along with those who advised them to abort their children." Rushdoony concludes: "God's government prevails, and His alternatives are clear-cut: either men and nations obey His laws, or God invokes the death penalty against them." Reconstructionists insist that "the death penalty is the maximum, not necessarily the mandatory penalty." However, such judgments may depend less on Biblical Principles than on which faction gains power in the theocratic republic. The potential for bloodthirsty episodes on the order of the Salem witchcraft trials or the Spanish Inquisition is inadvertently revealed by Reconstructionist theologian Rev. Ray Sutton, who claims that the Reconstructed Biblical theocracies would be "happy" places, to which people would flock because "capital punishment is one of the best evangelistic tools of a society."

The Biblically approved methods of execution include burning (at the stake for example), stoning, hanging, and "the sword." Gary North, the self-described economist of Reconstructionism, prefers stoning because, among other things, stones are cheap, plentiful, and convenient. Punishments for non-capital crimes generally involve whipping, restitution in the form of indentured servitude, or slavery. Prisons would likely be only temporary holding tanks, prior to imposition of the actual sentence.

People who sympathize with Reconstructionism often flee the label because of the severe and unpopular nature of such views. Even those who feel it appropriate that they would be the governors of God's theocracy often waffle on the particulars, like capital punishment for sinners and nonbelievers. Unflinching advocates, however, insist upon consistency. Rev. Greg Bahnsen, in his book By This Standard, writes: "We. . .endorse the justice of God's penal code, if the Bible is to be the foundation of our Christian political ethic."

http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v08n1/chrisre1.html


Why stoning is the preferred method for some:

"The Christian goal for the world," Recon theologian David Chilton has explained, is "the universal development of Biblical theocratic republics." Scripturally based law would be enforced by the state with a stern rod in these republics. And not just any scriptural law, either, but a hardline-originalist version of Old Testament law-- {snip}

So when Exodus 21:15-17 prescribes that cursing or striking a parent is to be punished by execution, that's fine with Gary North. "When people curse their parents, it unquestionably is a capital crime," he writes. "The integrity of the family must be maintained by the threat of death." Likewise with blasphemy, dealt with summarily in Leviticus 24:16: "And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him."

Reconstructionists provide the most enthusiastic constituency for stoning since the Taliban seized Kabul. "Why stoning?" asks North. "There are many reasons. First, the implements of execution are available to everyone at virtually no cost." Thrift and ubiquity aside, "executions are community projects--not with spectators who watch a professional executioner do `his' duty, but rather with actual participants." You might even say that like square dances or quilting bees, they represent the kind of hands-on neighborliness so often missed in this impersonal era. "That modern Christians never consider the possibility of the reintroduction of stoning for capital crimes," North continues, "indicates how thoroughly humanistic concepts of punishment have influenced the thinking of Christians." And he may be right about that last point, you know.

http://www.reason.com/news/show/30789.html


(I posted the above in this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3922719

[johnaries]

24. Stonings. nt

[NNN0LHI]

27. I've concluded they are not all alike

Some are vicious but some are not. The very religious lady who grooms my dogs goes as far as frowning upon people who celebrate Halloween if you can believe that? But she is about the nicest person I have ever known in my life. My dogs are a pretty good judge of people too and they love her to death. When I get within a mile of her house the dogs start howling like they never do any other time. Its a special howl they have for Ms. Mary. They really do like her a lot and so does my wife and I.

I don't know anything about her politics. I can't imagine Ms. Mary wanting to ever hurt anyone. Don't think she has a mean bone in her.

Don

[MattBaggins]

35. Sounds like a witch to me

Grab some stones

[earth mom]

29. Nazi Germany comes to mind.

:scared:

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

32. Hunt us to exhaustion from helicopters and small planes?

And then mount our heads on the walls of their living room.

[alarimer]

36. They want to kill us.

If they could, there would be concentration camps under the fundies. These people are fascists, make no mistake.

[Rockholm]

37. Isn't there some video game about this very topic?

[Philosoraptor]

39. ..........