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DemoRabbit Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 07:59 PM
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Sarah Palin, Teen Pregnancy and the Democrats
Edited on Mon Sep-01-08 08:07 PM by DemoRabbit
I realized tonight as I was venting to my husband that I have a lot to say on this topic. I really need to get myself a blog... LOL

Seriously, though...

FIRST - The Politics: we ALL know that if the situation was reversed, if Barack Obama had a teenage daughter that turned out to be pregnant, the republicans would be screaming from the hilltops. I'm not saying that I expect Barack to get out on the stump calling Sarah's parenting into question, but I expect SOMEONE, one of the talking-heads, to do exactly that. If it was revealed that Chelsea was pregnant, or the fictional teenage daughter of Barack, or any prominent figure on the democratic side, the GOP attack dogs would be in full swing.

SECOND - The Parenting: As a working mother myself with a teenage daughter, I think it's despicable for Sarah Palin to thrust her daughter's life into the limelight by accepting this nomination. No matter how you hope that people don't judge and criticize, reality is that once you're in the public eye like a prominent politician or celebrity there is no escaping it. If she wants everyone to respect her daughter's privacy than she herself should have led by example and done that FIRST by not deciding to run for the second-most powerful position in the country.

Sarah Palin HAD A CHOICE to put her family first and put her political career on hold so she could be a better parent to her teenage daughter, who obviously needs all the love and guidance possible right now. Choosing to take the VP nomination and not only be away from home for extended periods of time, but wrapped up in very important government work, the work of the people who elect you, is flat-out irresponsible. And YES, I'd say the same thing if we were talking about a man; a father.

Speaking of being a parent, she has a new baby at home... one with special needs. I'm appalled that she would choose to 1) Go back to work 3 days after giving birth (as has been said) and 2) make the choice to go out on the campaign trail and saddle her husband and children with the lone task of caring for the baby. Even more appalling to think she might drag this baby out on the trail with her. And yes, again, I'd say that if she were a new Dad instead of a new Mom.

THIRD - This is a woman who believes in abstinence-only education. This is a woman who is pro-life without exception
If you are going to stand up and promote abstinence-only education for ALL OF OUR CHILDREN, then you better, first and foremost, be able to prove it works! How can you make such an argument when closest to home, in your own family with your own daughter, it has failed?
If you are going to stand up against abortion and promote laws that are pro-life without exception, you better be prepared to provide all the government services your administration seems so opposed to. More welfare, health-insurance for all, and the government making decision about our personal lives and medical care. I am SOOOO angry when I hear a well-off woman with more advantages than the average American, try to take a stand against the CHOICE for an abortion when it's a much easier choice for she-herself to choose otherwise. I am SOOOOO angry when I hear a well-off mother with more advantages than the average American, try to take a stand against the CHOICE for an abortion when her daughter has a much easier choice to make because of the money and support around her. There are a hell-of-a-lot of woman around this country who find themselves pregnant with NO support, NO resources, NO insurance and NO money and face a much harder choice.

Oh, and you want me to give her a medal because she CHOSE to have a baby with Downes-Syndrome (Also known as Trisomy 21)? I'm glad she was able to make that choice... I'm glad she has the love in her heart for a baby with special needs. I'm glad she had the resources around her to care for that baby, and the insurance funds or personal finances to provide the care it will need. Not everyone has those things.

There are also those, LIKE MYSELF, who are faced with much more tragic possibilities. When I was in my second trimester for a brief time the doctors thought it might be possible that my daughter would be born with Trisomy 13 or 15. MUCH more tragic. 80% of children born with Trisomy 13 will die within a few days of birth, or be born dead, and those that survive often have multiple abnormalities. Complete Trisomy 15 is a lethal abnormality. Have you thought about what it might be like to be told your baby will be lethally deformed at birth, or dead? And consider this... what would that be like if you didn't have family support, insurance, resources or money? Luckily, for me, I had good insurance for further testing that revealed all would be okay.

What's the best way to reduce the number of abortions? Good Education and Birth Control. Something that obviously, her own daughter, lacked.

MOST women who have abortions don't take it lightly, and this is NOT an easy issue. We should ALL want to reduce the number of abortions, but going down the path or no birth-control, abstinence-only education combined with making abortions illegal is FAR scarier for the impact it will have on our society, our women AND our children! I'm certainly NOT striving for a life where my daughter ends up pregnant before graduating highschool, are you?

FOURTH - Experience: While I haven't hashed out all my ideas on this one yet, I know that I trust a Senator of a State with a population of 12 million vs. a Governor of a State with a population of twelve guys, one woman and two Moose - correct that, one; she shot the other one. Okay, seriously, Alaska only has a population of 700 thousand. That's a whole lot less than 12 million. It also seems to be that in her time of power she's managed to get herself investigated, get pregnant and not keep close enough tabs on her teenage daughter. I'm not sure that's the experience we need.

It's also a REAL possibility, a legitimate concern, that John McCain could become unable to lead. Let's face it, he's old... and I'm not just saying that to be funny. There are certain plans I make because my inlaws are now in their 70's and certain things I know they are and are not capable of. Do we want a president who is at the age we question whether he can adequately conquer email and driving? I digress... ultimately, it's quite possible Sarah would have to take the reigns at some point... does SHE have the experience necessary to lead this country? It's ironic that the republicans wanted to say Barack didn't have enough when they've gone out and found someone with even LESS.

LAST but not least - Not just ANY Vagina: I am so offended that the republicans seem to think I might just change my mind and vote for their team because they've drafted their own vagina into the ranks. I didn't approve of Hillary just because we shared some anatomy or because I though she had fashion sense. Hillary is a smart woman, a senator (for a largely populated state), and stands for things I can get behind. She epitomizes a strong woman with the capability to lead this country. Sarah? Well see above. Lest we forget she's an anti-birth control, pro-life, big-gun toting, wolf- and moose-killing vagina.





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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 08:05 PM
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1. Well spoken
I tried to say the same thing, but all that came out was seething frothing invectives.

I like your rhetoric much better.
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Errrica Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 08:07 PM
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2. Right on.
I would never, ever support a woman who is completely against women's rights. It doesn't make any sense! The media will be talking about this for days after Gustav. And now the Repubs aren't even going to have a full-blown convention. They'll blame all of this for their loss in November, of course.
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DemoRabbit Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 08:09 PM
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3. I so hope you're right
...about them losing!

It all makes me so angry... to devalue women so much by nominating one just because a bunch of old white guys think they'll fool us silly women into voting for them.
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Errrica Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 08:24 PM
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7. I hope I'm right too.
But I read a post here last night that changed my cynicism about this election...
I am an Obama fanatic. I love him & Biden & the Democratic Party & everything we stand for. However, I am not the type of person to get my hopes up, even about this.
But the post I read last night (wish I would have saved it) brought something very interesting up... all the records Obama has broken. There's a ton of them. More people watched his speech than did the Olympics opening ceremony. Most views on youtube, etc.
I don't want to say we're going to win, but I am going to say that since last night, I've regained a sense of hope & optimism. Obama is too much of an opportunity to throw away, especially on McShame & I-have-less-experience-than-Obama Palin.
My soul is on fire & I am angry!
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DemoRabbit Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 08:43 PM
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9. I like your optimism
...I have my moments... sometimes I don't feel scared... sometimes I'm terrified!
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Tallison Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 08:11 PM
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4. Say it again!
****************If you are going to stand up and promote abstinence-only education for ALL OF OUR CHILDREN, then you better, first and foremost, be able to prove it works! *****************

And when it fails, as her own experience shows, the less-advantaged woman is doubly screwed. No choice, and no public resources for assistance. If I was more cynical, I'd think it was the haves' way of keeping the have-nots in their places.
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Trekologer Donating Member (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 08:13 PM
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5. You're on to something...
...with the abstinence-only education. If she wants to force it onto everyone, her family should show that it works. And it obviously has not. If anything, this shows that it does NOT work.
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marew Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 08:17 PM
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6. EXCELLENT POST!!!! n/t
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DemoRabbit Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 08:28 PM
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8. Thanks!
I finally started a blog too...

http://rabbitpolitics.blogspot.com/

:)
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samdogmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 08:45 PM
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10. All I can say is "DITTO" and thank you! n/t
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 08:46 PM
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11. Hi, DemoRabbit and Everyone.
I'm new to Democratic Underground and am blown away by your post and had to respond. You've just wrapped up in words my inarticulate anger and disbelief about Palin. This sums it up for me, "If you are going to stand up and promote abstinence-only education for ALL OF OUR CHILDREN, then you better, first and foremost, be able to prove it works!" I think this statement proves why her daughter's pregnancy should be discussed and not off limits.

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DemoRabbit Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:12 PM
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18. Why is it...
That the "smart" talking heads on TV can't seem to bring it up...

at least I heard SOMEONE say something similar, briefly, on CNN a little bit ago...
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 08:54 PM
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12. Well said,
and welcome to DU, DemoRabbit.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:00 PM
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13. OBAMA: Family off limits. Let's IGNORE this issue
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DemoRabbit Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:17 PM
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19. Honestly...
Edited on Mon Sep-01-08 09:18 PM by DemoRabbit
what else is he officially gonna say... of course he wants to say "back off"... ultimately though, this is a legitimate issue. Considering her own POLICIES and the direction she wants to take America with pro-life and anti-birth control speak, it's reasonable to look at her life and use it to defend ourselves!

If Clinton was a "bad pres" for having a little afternoon delight, we have the right to criticize a self-proclaimed super-mom, who actually, isn't so super!
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:20 PM
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21. To quote Obama: "Back Off"
That is the official position. There is n unofficial position!! We are not pukes!
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amuse bouche Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:34 PM
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23. "what else is he officially gonna say" ? Well maybe he means it
Please remember his mother was 17 when she was pregnant with him, or did you forget that?
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:48 PM
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25. The difference is, his mom's mom wasn't running for VP at the time
And it was unlikely any of them were pushing "abstinence-only" agendas upon the state at the time, either. Therein lies the difference.
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DemoRabbit Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 01:39 AM
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28. Amen n/t
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:03 PM
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14. The Palin's own statement on the matter has disqualified Sarah as a candidate.
"We’re proud of Bristol’s decision to have her baby and even prouder to become grandparents.”
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:08 PM
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16. True dat - they say that a CHOICE was made.
These people are too fokking stupid to realize how illogical they are...
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:07 PM
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15. Please do not call her "pro-life".
She is anti-choice, anti-legal abortion.

Do not fall into the trap of using their language.
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:09 PM
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17. Add to that
She's also pro-death penalty and pro-war. No way she is pro-life, she is just pro-old_men_who_want_to_control_women.
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:19 PM
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20. Great post...........I agree with you totally...........
Am becoming more and more convinced that Sarah Palin will go down in flames...........ooooh, gotta go, Obama is on CNN talking with Anderson Cooper right now.
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DemoRabbit Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:32 PM
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27. Saw that
was watching myself :)
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:29 PM
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22. Well, I'm just looking forward to a nice, old-fashioned shotgun wedding.
I wonder how the Secret Service feels about that. :dunce:

Will they go formal with white shotguns? :shrug:
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DemoRabbit Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:42 PM
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24. Abstinence on TV
Was mentioned briefly on CNN again... on Anderson Cooper...

Of course, he's off now onto Trooper-Gate and her juggling act as a mother/politician. Mind you, my problem isn't with her being a working mom, it's with her being a working mom in the 2nd most powerful office of the U.S. while having a special-needs baby and a pregnant teenage daughter.

Whether you're a woman OR a man, sometimes your plate just gets too full!
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DemoRabbit Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:12 PM
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26. Daily Show...
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