The issue isn't that Palin's teenage daughter is pregnant. It's that her mother opposes

[book_worm]

any talk in the schools about sex education, opposes the workings of Planned Parenthood, and opposes teenagers having access to birth control. Teenagers are curious animals and most of them will experiement and if Palin and other fundamentalists have their way they will experiement without knowing the facts and the consequences. That's the issue.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

1. how did she get pregnant?

bad Mommy!

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

4. How did she get pregnant?

She got pregnant because nothing says "Stupid!" better than a horny 16-year-old.

Someday, let me tell you the story of two teenagers, going at it with abandon and gusto, in full view of the Lollapalooza production tent. They were behind a faulty chemical john and had to be ankle-deep in that special brand of mud that only such a malfunction can create. What made them stop was our peals of hysterical laughter.

I mean, sometimes you just gotta laugh. ;-)

[ejbr]

6. You wanna know how she got pregnant?

Okay, the boy takes his pee pee and puts it in the girl's vajayjay...following me so far? :P

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[Rosa Luxemburg]

17. Mom too busy working. Teen getting pregnant!

[elleng]

39. Does NOT work like that, bam;

different things are involved.

I worked full time, 3 mos after each of my daughters were born; they're both in 20s now, have had special boyfriends most of the time; I don't/didn't lecture; I've always trusted them to do the right thing; they've both promised they'll 'wait.'

[Rosa Luxemburg]

48. so what happened to hers?

[elleng]

54. Her situation

and that of her daughter are different from mine. The important thing is to respect differences between people, not to judge others because we disagree with them, and to allow them and theirs room.

[Toucano]

34. That was going to be my response!

I was going to be more crude, but yours is better.;)

[elleng]

37. OH ICKY!

NO NO! It CAN'T be!

[ejbr]

7. Dupe n/t

[Union Thug]

19. It was God's will. n/t

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[Toucano]

36. She bumped into a doorknob.

Poor thing!

Watch out, it could happen to you.

[hisownpetard]

2. No: the issue is that, if a grown adult can lie to the people of her state about something as

obvious and elemental as that, then she can lie to the country about even bigger things.

Hmmm... come to think of it, that might get the Repubs to vote for her, after all!

[az chela]

10. If it is true that the daughter had the baby and the mother said

it was her than she is deceitful,a liar, and a moron.She has no place in any politics

[Sal Minella]

18. And if the mother is dumb enough to let herself get pregnant at 44, she is too dumb to hold public

office of any kind.

[seabeyond]

21. that is a little much. but if she was preg and got on plane with water leakage...

wtf

i cannot imagine

[Sal Minella]

32. And then flew for 11 hours? When precipitate delivery frequently follows membrane rupture?

And then was back at work two days later?

If this is fundy family values, we really don't need them.

[MiniMe]

24. Sometimes pregnancy happens. I will not get on her case about that. However,

the question is does she also oppose all kinds of birth control. That I would have a problem with.

[Sal Minella]

35. If she opposes them for herself and can afford to care for more Downs babies, that's her choice,

I guess. But she has no moral right to force her contraceptive opposition into other women's lives, imo.

[MiniMe]

42. I agree, but sometimes women get pregnant, even if they are on birth control

But she is apparently anti-choice of every kind

[elleng]

40. How's 43?

Guess THAT's why I didn't get that promotion?

[HooptieWagon]

13. The bigger issue than lying to constituants

is committing insurance fraud (a felony). It would be a simple matter for her to release doctor and hospital records. I'd be willing to bet she doesn't...

[dixiegrrrrl]

46. Help me see your point more clearly

Insurance fraud?
How?

[HooptieWagon]

47. Child has Down's Syndrom - will require lifetime care.

If child is Palin's daughter's, then insurance will likely only cover until daughter turns 18. Daughter will be turned down for insurance b/c of pre-existing condition. If Palin claims child as her own, insurance is forced to carry her until 18. Difference is 16 years of expensive health care costs.
If Palin releases her medical records regarding pregnancy, the matter can be swiftly put to rest. If she won't, then naturally rumors will abound that she is covering something up, given that she's already apparently lied (regarding water breaking).

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

56. Thanks for clarification on the insurance fraud

I think you are exactly right. The insurer would have covered the pregnancy and delivery for the daughter, but once she went off the family coverage in a few years, I think the child would also lose eligibility. I suppose Sarah and Todd could have acknowledged that it was their grandchild and adopted him to retain his insurance eligibility. But, if these rumors are even true about the parentage of the baby, they did not choose that option

[seabeyond]

20. further she is willing for the lie to be exposed across the nation to daughter humiliation

because of her own selfish want to be in the limelight

[dchill]

41. Ding, ding, freakin' ding.

Ding. :hi:

[lonestarnot]

57. Not only can, but WILL!

[LeftishBrit]

58. We already know she can lie to the country about bigger things

She's a Republican politician!

[depakid]

3. I have news- she equates birth control with abortion

and she and the Republicans would work tirelessly to make it illegal FOR EVERYONE.

That's the issue.

[book_worm]

11. that's my point.

[earthlover]

15. Palin is opposed to birth control and use of condoms by married adults!!!

Sounds like a prescription for a lot more grandparents raising kids....

[depakid]

28. I don't think condoms

Just IUD's and hormonal methods.

[earthlover]

55. Yes, she is opposed to married couples using condoms

I know it is hard to believe, but....

[gristy]

5. Palin's teenage daughter is pregnant?

I did not know this. You're not pullin' my leg are you?

[MercutioATC]

8. Oh, fer chrissakes. We don't know that she's pregnant.

[marauding liberal]

9. huh?

[readmoreoften]

12. And the issue isn't that "Ann Coulter is a Mann", it's the "hypocrisy"...

Except Ann Coulter isn't a transgendered and Palin's daughter very likely wasn't pregnant.

The only hypocrisy is coming from those on DU who jump on smears against Democrats and then start whispering campaigns against a Republican's kid.

If it's verified that this is the case, go for it. But until then be polite to her kids and attack her policies, positions, and lack of experience.

[Whoa_Nelly]

14. IF Sarah Palin WAS pregnant, and announced it 3/5/08

while being 7 months along...

http://starcaptainsdaughter.blogspot.com/2008/03/pregnant-star-captains-not-believable.html

Published: March 6th, 2008 12:02 AMLast Modified: March 6th, 2008 01:37 AM
JUNEAU -- Gov. Sarah Palin shocked and awed just about everybody around the Capitol on Wednesday when she announced she's expecting her fifth child.
.
"I thought it was becoming obvious," Gov. Sarah Palin said. "You know, clothes getting snugger and snugger."

Then, are there any pics of her imbibing during those 7 months prior to her announcement?


Am not asking this re: because she has a Down's syndrome child....drinking while pregnant can lead to FAS syndrome...I know that.
But, after already having had four kids, and if the most recent addition to their family was given birth by her, wouldn't she have stopped drinking?

...just wonderin' :popcorn:

(OK...am casting asparagus... :P )

[seabeyond]

23. she was drinking alcohol too...... fuck..... n/t

[IndyOp]

38. Interesting bit: They took 7-yr old daughter to public announcement, but not teen daughters

March 6th, 2008 01:37 AM

JUNEAU -- Gov. Sarah Palin shocked and awed just about everybody around the Capitol on Wednesday when she announced she's expecting her fifth child. <snip>

The governor, who recently turned 44, told a handful of reporters as she was leaving work to expect a new member of the first family, then headed to a reception at the Baranof Hotel to feast on king crab. <snip>

Palin beamed as lawmakers, Cabinet members and others came by to congratulate her at the Baranof reception, a legislative event Kodiak officials sponsor annually. <snip>

Her husband, Todd, was there holding the couple's sleepy 6-year-old daughter Piper in his arms.
Palin said she's not aiming to take any time off from her job as governor, assuming all goes well with the pregnancy. She said when she had Piper -- Palin was mayor of Wasilla at the time -- the baby was born on a Monday and she returned to the office on Tuesday.
"I've always been a believer that God's not going to give us anything that we cannot handle," Palin said.

Aside from Piper, the Palins have three other children: Track, 18, serving in the U.S. Army at Fort Wainwright in Fairbanks; Bristol, 17, a high school junior; and Willow, 13.

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[mike_c]

27. welcome to DU....

I wouldn't unpack my bags though, if I were you. :hi:

[a la izquierda]

30. Self-delete, as the mods took care of the twit

[AndreaCG]

33. John McCain himself referred to Chelsea as the White House dog.

And said Janet Reno was her father.

Palin's pregnancy is suspicious. Or at the very least the way she chose not to go to a local hospital but FLEW WHEN IN LABOR is screwed up. It's damn luky there were no complications.

[renie408]

25. Pursuing this is going to get us fucked. I will bet that's some fucking Palin will approve of. n/t

[seabeyond]

26. what.... are we going live. are we forcing obama to state this publically.

what do you mean it will get us fucked. this is a discussion board adn we are discussing inconsistencies

media will break it or not

[Disturbed]

29. Discussions on DU barely make a dent to the Public at large.

DU isn't even printed on the most popular sites on the Net.

Discussing issues here is mostly venting. Yeah, I like to vent, too.

I feel that this issue is interesting & if true, point out something about Gov. Palin.

[seabeyond]

31. so what is this shit about talking this is gonna take not only du down but all of obama and the

campaign. ridiculous

thanks

[renie408]

44. "take down not only du, but all of obama"...dramatic much?

Wow, you sure got a lot out of two lines. What I mean is that without any proof at all, pursuing this line against Palin feels a little National Enquirer. Why not speculate on Troopergate? Or raise holy hell about how she doesn't believe in abortion even in cases of rape, incest or where the health of the mother is at risk? Acting like a bunch of old women drooling over headlines in the supermarket checkout does not really do a whole lot to make Dems look like the 'high road' party.

But hey, if being a gossipy old biddy does it for you, take off.

[seabeyond]

45. already been in those threads and about her husband being in meetings with her

and about repug be so insulting giving up this vp adn many other threads. but now you are here to direct and guide me what threads i should discuss in?

you are the one to stay talking about this will fuck us up and i am being dramatic. fuck us up how pray tell.

[dchill]

43. Who is Trigg's Baby Mama?

:shrug:

[Rosa Luxemburg]

49. irresponsible!

basically teens do not get pregnant unless they are 1) clueless 2) want to get pregnant 3) are irresponsible and do not take precautions?

[Kire]

51. This girl could be really traumatized by all this.

Please be careful what you say.

[seabeyond]

53. is she on this board? n/t

[robinlynne]

52. There is also an issue of isnurance fraud, and the taxpayers paying for the healthcare

of this child during his entire life because he ha the rights of the son of a governor. Grandchildren do not get that health care..... Neither do I.

[LeftishBrit]

59. I agree that THESE are really important issues.

However, what's bothering me is that even if the story were true, what is it that makes it so terrible - especially compared with all the seriously bad things about her?

Is it

(1) That the daughter's alleged pregnancy suggests bad upbringing? I disagree there! These things do happen.

(2) That the mother would have lied about it?

If she did, then she lied *to protect her daughter* (and maybe also herself and the rest of the family) within a fundie community that would have condemned this. A generation or two ago, it was quite common (at least in Britain and I'm sure elsewhere) for mothers to adopt their teenage daughters' babies and pass them off as their own. It protected the daughter and it also protected the grandchild, who would otherwise be called 'illegitimate' or 'bastard' and deprived of inheritance rights. It is a bad thing that Palin subscribes to and is bringing up her kids in a fundie community where such protection might be necessary - but we already knew that. Why go after a teenage girl and a baby *even if* the story is true?


There have been huge numbers of threads on the baby issue. There have been far fewer threads on the fact that Palin supported PAT BUCHANAN - not just briefly, but over a period of time. What is worse - possibly lying to protect your daughter in your ultra-religious community, or supporting a near-fascist? Especially if you could be a heartbeat away from the presidency.

Lying about sex, or support for fascism - which is worse? Going after the first and not the second reminds me of Congress impeaching Clinton for lying about a blowjob, but not impeaching Bush for lying the USA into a war!