I don't want to 'reach out' to the Christian conservatives, screw em'.

[Philosoraptor]

They should reach out to US, and if they can't reach far enough, then screw em', I'm tired of having to kiss their asses, either catch up with the 21st century or just stay back there in the dark ages, but I WON'T kiss their sanctimonious asses.

When have they EVER reached out to us?

[dddem]

1. Unfortunately, they vote.

In droves. Like sheep.

[Philosoraptor]

2. I know

[KharmaTrain]

8. In Droves??? For Gramps???

That's the corporate media's spin...fed to it by hate radio and GOOP spinners...but let's look a little closer. Many evangelicals I've met aren't so hot on Gramps...nowhere near they were for booooshie (who they thought was "one of them")...and feel they've been screwed around with (Terri Schaivo) and are troubled with Gramps divorce and if he really is one of them. They see Gramps talking the talk, but hasn't really walked the walk...and his pandering as insincere.

Yes, there are gonna be many who will still vote for Gramps cause they are so conditioned into voting GOOP that even if Jesus were a Democrat they wouldn't vote for him.

While they're an important part of the GOOP "base", it's nowhere near as powerful or organized as it was in the past two elections. Just think about how Dobson and his ilk still haven't really come out in favor of Gramps yet...by this time in 2004, Rove was organizing the buses and voter guides...but that's not happening this year.

[dddem]

17. My sister in law, a catholic,

won't vote for a democrat because of the pro choice issue. What pisses me off is that 8 flippin' years later we are in this mess in large part because of votes like hers, and guess what? Abortion is still legal. These people don't care about the issues, or the ramifications of their decisions, they are told be their 'leaders' to "vote their conscience", and they don't bother to look at facts, and the rest of us have to live with it. grrr.
Peace.

[KharmaTrain]

18. Too Bad She Doesn't Realize How She's Being Used

Single-issue voters are a problem, but no matter what a Democrat does, the propaganda they've been battered with over the years is too inbred...and she bought a bill of goods that she doesn't know will never be paid.

I'd be curious if she's donated money to "Pro-Life" candidates and what she's gotten in return. Repugnicans don't want abortion to be outlawed...that drains a large money pit for them. If they were so concerned with the "sanctity of life", they had the power for 6 years to legislate a woman's right to choose (it's not just abortion) and did nothing. Your SIL has been duped...and sadly, she still doesn't see it.

I've always countered the anti-abortion crowd (I refuse to call them "pro-life) with their concerns about what that "sanctity of life" is about...including healthcare and education. I also ask them if they have ever met a person who wanted an abortion...I have yet to meet a woman who has...and to look the reasons a woman has to make that very difficult choice.

Cheers and peace to you...

[HughBeaumont]

48. Got one like that here at work too . . .

. . . and she, too, doesn't get that abortion will never be made illegal for the simple reason that it would force the Republicans to run on REAL issues instead of distracting wedge issues . . . such as abortion or gay marriage. Given that Republicans have an agenda that caters more to the country club/gated community set than that of Joe and Jane Cubeslave, they need that abortion thing to rally the base and pick up anti-choice fence-sitters.

[Blarch]

3. Agreed.

[Fumesucker]

4. You may not. want to kiss their asses..

But the Democratic party leaders, in their infinite wisdom, have made that decision for you.

This is going to get worse before it gets better I fear.

[thunder rising]

5. The deadliest group of people in the world are the American White Christian Right. Killlers all!!

[Olney Blue]

6. I take it you are not a compassionate conservative.

[ColbertWatcher]

7. Damn right.

They tried to shove their agenda down everyone's throat while lying about the details.

And then they have the nerve to demand people bow down to them.

Wow.

Sorry, Christers, you've had your chance, but you lied and then you demanded everyone give you what you believe you're entitled to?

No.

Trying doing less talking and more working with people. Even the ones who are different than you.

[earth mom]

9. Couldn't you see this coming a mile away with all the religious code words Obama's been using?

The dems are doing the same things we've all hated seeing the rethugs do.

But ever since the primaries it's been "all good" because Obama and his followers are doing it.

It's like everyone around here has conveniently forgotten the past 8 years. :wtf:

[magellan]

13. Not everyone

But it is depressing to see how many have given themselves over totally to election mania and the "anything to win" credo (bitterly and resoundingly referred to as "pandering for votes" when the Repubs do it). All the rationalizations in the world won't change how bad this is for the country, that the Dems have now joined the GOP in putting up fairy lights in DC.

[spoony]

25. The Democratic Party has historically included religion

And has it occurred to anyone that, gasp, maybe they're sincere and not pandering? There's a lot of liberal value in a lot of religions.

[magellan]

40. Of course it has

The Democratic Party has always been inclusive of all faiths and unbelievers without having to resort to overt advertising. So why the sudden need to fall over each other in an attempt to prove what any halfway intelligent American already knows?

[spoony]

46. I don't think it is so sudden.

The only thing that seems to be without precedent is the Saddleback (or whatever that church is called) type of forum. And that, it seems to me, is a concerted effort to combat the also unprecedented kidnapping of religion by the right wing. The rest of it, including prayer and references in speeches, isn't so new. I think what's new is 24 hour media harping on it.

[aikoaiko]

10. Ass kissing is not required, but there needs to be room for them in our tent

If we our party is to provide leadership to Americans and not just Democrats.

[Philosoraptor]

11. I'm sorry, but they DO require ass kissing, & they stink up our tent

[Az]

12. The trick is not to reach out to them but to remind them that they are being used

The GOP is using them. And as long as they entangle themselves with politics they will always find their beliefs and vote being compromised. That is the nature of politics. It is a horrible fit for faith. And if we rub their face in the fact that the GOP will never stay the course the way they want them to then they will abandon the right in droves.

We as a party are a big tent party. Pandering to religious interests is not our strong suit. Trying to imitate the GOP and their attempts to woo the fundamentalists just makes us look desperate and causes dissension in our own ranks sending more and more church/state separatists over the fence and far away.

[Cerridwen]

14. Aw, come on. It worked so well for the repubs.

They reached out to the conservative "religions" and look what it's done for their party. I think Goldwater had some words to say about it.

[Hubert Flottz]

15. John McCain has more houses than Warren Jeffs has child brides...

[JCMach1]

16. yeah, they put the fundament in fundamentalist!

I'm with you!

[Philosoraptor]

19. ..............

[Hubert Flottz]

20. Reach out to a fundie and you risk snakebite!

[B Calm]

21. To hell with the hypocrites! We'll win this election without them!

[Obamarama]

22. Fuck the fundamentalists....

I know tolerance is supposed to be a hallmark of a good Democrat, but I have absolutely NO tolerance for the fundamentalists. None whatsoever.

And, it's not necessarily their religious beliefs or fervor that bother me. There are lots of religious beliefs and religions that I don't subscribe to, and quite frankly don't understand, but it's no skin off my back. Believe what you want to believe, BUT LEAVE YOUR BELIEFS OUT OF MY GOVERNMENT AND ITS LAWS.

Now I know there are fundamentalist Christian sects that are happy to go on about their religious business without dabbling in the exertion of their beliefs in the law of the land. Fine.

But this smarmy army of bible-thumping Xtian, Stepford Wife type robots who ingest the pablum spewed forth by the Olsteens, the Dobsons, the Kennedys, and other TV robo-evangalists NEED TO GET THEIR PASTY, LITTLE PRAYING HANDS THE FUCK OUT OF MY GOVERNMENT.

And while I'm good and pissed off now, FUCK RONALD REAGAN for giving the fundamentalists and evangelicals entre into our political system, and allowing them to influence secular rule of this country.

[guitar man]

23. I do

But then of course, if you're going to slap the piss out of someone, you have to reach out first!

:D


K&R :hi:

[InkAddict]

24. Funny, that's the exact description: sanctimonious ass that

first came to my mind and unfortunately popped out of my mouth recently when I guess I inadvertently put some rational questions out about someone's unthoughtout "adventures in moving." Christian conservatives are not necessarily only of the rabid GOP persuasion - even some slow-to-come-around Dems with more conservative leanings have some left-over notions that sharing for the greater good OR THEIR OWN, is some sort of power grab that infringes on their Christian Conservative "I can do what I want to, and I don't need you" egos. Sometimes, all speaking selfishly stops by decree, leaving everyone the worse.

As a side note, and not to suggest she's a Christian Conservative, but it was nice to see Hillary step up the other night! Even in the smallest units in our homes and communities, we all have to work TOGETHER to accomplish our goals, be safe, and healthy...I just don't understand the resistance to having a plan; heck, many plans, and then stepping up to get it done!

We certainly have our work cut out attempting to reach the "non-planners" (apathetic) and non-doers (whatever one can)...

Shaking my head in sadness and dismay...while planning which convention party to attend tonite! Also, I think I'll change my avatar to something more Hopeful.

[Alter Ego]

26. There's no reaching the older ones, but the younger ones might listen.

They care more about things like poverty and climate change than their parents.

[Philosoraptor]

27. ................

[melm00se]

28. if a christian was curious about how they would

be received if they were to reach out and they read this thread they would see:

The deadliest group of people in the world are the American White Christian Right. Killlers all!!

liars

they stink up our tent

To hell with the hypocrites!

Fuck the fundamentalists....

if you're going to slap the piss out of someone, you have to reach out first!

would make you want to reach out wouldn't it?

[Amonester]

29. but, isn't being received "badly" an "incentive" to "reach out" and ...

"try harder" (to Evangilize) a big "part" of their Religion?

[melm00se]

30. maybe in a perfect world

but no one is perfect.

and, to be frank, comments like the one's I quoted just validates their impression of how they will be received.

change the term "christian" for something you are and tell me, exactly how anxious would you be to reach out to folks who held you in such esteem?

[Amonester]

31. perhaps as anxious as the ones who had no other option than...

to "face" the lions... :hi:

[Philosoraptor]

32. I've NEVER had a Christian conservative reach out to me in earnest

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

33. Their vote counts as much as yours.

Reach out. Then screw 'em.

[Philosoraptor]

34. Not when THEY own the rigged voting machines, like DIEBOLD.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

35. Don't those two issues have basically nothing to do with each other?

You just want to complain, don't you?

[Philosoraptor]

36. Yes, I want to complain about how THEY are shoving it down my throat

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

37. That's the same thing they whine about.

It's very Freudian.

[lifesbeautifulmagic]

38. i hear you and i agree. If they were really concerned about abortion

they would try to "bribe" the women to have the babies by making sure we have good strong communities, family wage jobs, great schools, but they are more concerned about controlling their (so-called) morality

I would say just ignore them, but the problem is, they want to drag all of us down in creating this two class society - after all poor people who are not sure if they can make the mortgage, and live if fear that the next health emergency will drive them to bankruptcy "come to Jesus".

[mitchum]

39. May they all soon be with their precious lord

[amuse bouche]

41. Yup

[Pastiche423]

42. I don't want to and I won't

Screw them and anyone else that mixes religion and politics in our secular nation!

[Iggo]

43. Yep, reach out to me.

And if you can't reach me, fundy, then eff you. I'm sick of reaching out to you.

[Kazak]

44. I can understand where you're coming from, but that's really just kind of a shitty thing to say.

But then, I say shitty shit too sometimes. :(

[Philosoraptor]

47. I'm ashamed of myself if that helps.

[undergroundpanther]

45. The only reaching out these pigs do

is to control, convert,get money from, or bash us. Fuck all the christian conservatives. Because they are fucked up little minded children.Christian conservatives are not worthy for a democrat to wipe their ass with 'em.

[Festivito]

49. Good move for a Republican operative.

Push the religious away just as they start to come back again.

Instead, I would say, we should get rid of the one vote and reach to obtain the many votes. Screw one who would screw others, screw the many, and would screw us ourselves.

Instead, I would say, we should fight the media and its media messages that mislead voters and religious voters.

But, if you want to beat back voters who want to come and vote with us, help us to take care of each other, help us to take care of our country, well, screw you.