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tannybogus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 10:14 AM
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Just once during this convention, could the TV pundits get out of the way of the show?
DID DEMOCRATS WASTE FIRST DAY? blared a graphic beneath Larry King's chin. The Monday-night program of the Democratic National Convention had ended a couple of hours earlier, and King wanted the assembled pundits to tell him whether the party has mishandled its big event. The question is rich with irony. Precisely because of the pundits, who can even tell what the Democrats did on their first day, much less decide how well or badly they did it?

Time after time last evening, I flipped from the wall-to-wall coverage on C-Span—which is viewed, I imagine, largely by shut-ins and political completists—to see how CNN or MSNBC or Fox News broadcast a speech or performance. Time and again, they weren't broadcasting it at all. Instead, talking heads were talking to other talking heads about Hillary's dead-enders, or some other overblown story, at self-parodying length. The resulting coverage had about as much connection to what happened onstage last night as NBC's Olympics coverage would have had if Bob Costas had spent two full weeks asking other sportscasters how they feel about the shot put.

There's nothing criminal about networks dropping millions to fly all those cameras to the Rockies and then barely pointing them at the stage (that soothing, soothing stage: at the Pepsi Center, there is not a Red America or a Blue America, there is a pinkish-teal America). Nor is there anything surprising about the decision of a seller (the cable news shows) veering away from a commodity (the live feed) to offer a value-added product (bloviation about the live feed), particularly at an event everybody dismisses as an infomercial. But tonight's silly circus demonstrated how distorting and unattractive this self-absorption can be.

Consider the early conventional wisdom about last night: that the Democrats didn't spend much time hitting the Republicans. That's true, insofar as organizers didn't think it would be dignified to have two history-making speakers share the stage with a McCain piñata. But just because nobody got to hear the whacking doesn't mean no whacking occurred. Multiple members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus and Sen. Amy Klobuchar blasted McCain before prime time. Later, America caught a glimpse of Nancy Pelosi getting off a good line, saying that McCain does indeed have experience—"experience in being wrong." But many fewer people heard the even better line from Margie Perez, who lost everything in Hurricane Katrina and said, "America can't afford to let John McCain drown our hopes in more of the same failed policies."

http://www.newsweek.com/id/155647

I remember when convention coverage was much different. The talking heads were the short breaks, and there were many reporters on the convention floor talking to everybody. Now I have no idea what is really going on. Most people who are watching are seeing the network version. I'm so tired of listening to analysts talk to analysts about what another analyst said.:rant:
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 10:16 AM
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1. CSPAN. nt
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tannybogus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 10:18 AM
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3. I do watch that too.
But I have seen enough to know that the general public has no idea what is happening.
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:42 AM
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8. ditto . . . you also get to hear the music on c-span. eom
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 10:16 AM
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2. C-Span is your friend. No multimillion dollar pundits shilling for
McNounVerbPOW to save their taxcuts.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 10:36 AM
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4. PBS did a good job interjecting some...
punditry, but not too much. CSPAN was there, but there were far too many boring speeches only the obsessed really want to hear. (There was a new episode of Eureka and ECW wrestling on last night, btw.)

Problem is that there is nothing to see-- the candidates are already picked, the platform is done, and the only bit of suspense was how well Hillary was going to stand up to her party obligations. Great, rousing speech, but no surprises. TV cannot have dead air, so the only thing to do is have the pundits yak at each other. Far better than losing viewers with some of those schnorrers yakking away at the podium.

Some of us remember the real conventions-- floor fights, "spontaneous" demonstrations, favorite sons brokering votes, multiple roll calls to get a candidate, dark deals made in smoke-filled rooms...

Conventions now are overly scripted and mostly boring shows just rehashing the stuff you already know.

(Conventions and cable news are a perfect match that way, come to think of it.)



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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 10:46 AM
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6. I agree! The SPAN is the only way to go! NT
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 10:37 AM
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5. watched 100% pundit free in HD straight from the source
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Jazzgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 12:01 PM
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13. Nightwatcher that is where I've been watching when I'm
in front of the computer. The TV in the family room is on CSPAN. That high def on the computer rocks!
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 10:59 AM
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7. Monday night
Monday night:

Gibson: "Behind us Ted Kennedy is speaking to the crowd."
Stephansnagglepus: "This really is historic."
Sawyer: "He was in a hospital earlier today."
Gibson: "It really is remarkable that he's speaking."

Tuesday night:

Gibson: "Governor Schweitzer is really lighting up the crowd."
Stephanassholeness: "Listen to them."
Sawyer: "The Democratic Governor of Montana has generated a lot of excitement."

Did it ever occur to these bozos that we might want to watch the excitement instead of listening to them blather?

Tonight, CSPAN for me.
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:45 AM
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9. 'stephansnagglepuss' is perfect! that is what i will call him
from now on. when did he turn right anyway? oh, that's right, when his corporate masters told him to.

ellen fl
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:58 AM
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12. look at me! look at me!

Cokie Roberts preparing for the trashfest in Denver



Don't interrupt me, i'm a tee vee personality, unelected, unaccountable and irresponsible.





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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:12 PM
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16. Hey, why do you hate Gloria Swanson?
She's still big. The pictures got small.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:10 PM
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15. Thanks, but I stole it from another DUer
I saw it in another thread and thought it was perfect.
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:47 AM
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10. I can tell you regular folks are all mixed up because
of it. My daughter called me last night all confused. She is in military and so doesn't get cspan or pbs, she gets a news channel that loops 1 hr increments of cnn, msnbc, and fox. She says all of them are bad.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:55 AM
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11. Of course they couldn't get out of the way
How could they tell the audience what to think otherwise?
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 12:03 PM
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14. The Convention has its own HIGH DEFINITION stream online
I pasted up a TECH THREAD for those who have not yet upgraded to HD streaming.

***** LIVE HD from Democratic National Convention. STREAMING full screen!! TECH INFO:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x174840

Most PC users can just click this link and follow the prompts:
http://gallery1.demconvention.com

They even allow you to choose the camera, plus

HD in FULL SCREEN mode!!! Y ESPANOL!!!!! And videos of the past speeches.
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