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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:26 PM
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Cindy Sheehan's hotel room in Denver bugged?
Cindy Sheehan returned to her Denver hotel room today to find the door unlocked and ajar. She walked in to discover a man working on her phone, screw driver in hand.

Sheehan reported, in an email,

"As I walked toward my room, I noticed that the door was opened with the security bolt blocking the complete closing of the door. I knew immediately that I had not left the door open, and I double checked to make sure it was the right room because, as a frequent traveler, I have been known to forget my room number, but it was the right room.

I was upset at first thinking that housekeeping had made a mistake and left my room open and I was worried that something might be missing. So I walked into my room and bigger than life, there was a man standing by my desk holding the room phone with a screwdriver in his hand!

more . . . http://www.opednews.com/articles/Cindy-Sheehan-Bugged-i...
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grannie4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:27 PM
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1. think pelosi's scared of her?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:28 PM
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:31 PM
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11. Take that to another site
We support the Democratic nominee in EVERY race on this site, that means Pelosi.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #11
20. The last time I checked, Pelosi isn't in a Dem race
She already won and has done nothing
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #20
21. Cindy Sheehan is running against Nancy Pelosi as an independent
Your post in support of Sheehan violates DU rules.
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Liberal Dose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:47 PM
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30. I didn't see where the OP said "vote for Sheehan" nt
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #30
38. Context

"think Pelosi's scared of her"

"Yes and she better be! Go Cindy!"

Nancy Pelosi was NOT mentioned in the OP. Nancy Pelosi is the Democratic nominee and Cindy Sheehan is her opponent during an election cycle. That is the ONLY connection between the two.

I will NOT abide dissing our Democratic cnadidates in support of their opponents during an election cycle on this forum when it is in the rules that you cannot!
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Liberal Dose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #38
128. Then alert the posts that endorse Sheehan instead of whining about it
Geez :eyes:
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:57 AM
Response to Reply #128
365. You can count on it. That's how the trolls get tombstoned.
If you do not respect the rules, you are outta here.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #20
378. Except
kiss Bush's ass every chance she gets.....
Pelosi is a total waste of space - She votes right along with the NEOCON agenda every time.


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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #11
24. we do? I wasn't aware of that. So, do you support Lieberman? He's
still a dem. If we can't speak truth to bullshit, then perhaps this is the wrong forum.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #24
28. Lieberman is NOT a Democratic Senator
Edited on Mon Aug-25-08 03:46 PM by IWantAnyDem
He is an INDEPENDENT Senator.

Don't believe me?

Lieberman, Joseph I.- (ID - CT) Class I
706 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-4041
Web Form: lieberman.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm?regarding=issue

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senat...

Joe Lieberman was NOT the Democratic nominee from Connecticut in 2006, Ned Lamont was. Under the rules of DU, it was a violation to openly support Joe Lieberman on this site.

And if you want to openly support Cindy Sheehan over Nancy Pelosi, this IS THE WRONG FORUM!
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #24
35. Dup
Edited on Mon Aug-25-08 03:50 PM by IWantAnyDem
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grannie4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #11
47. i'm sorry i thought it
was just about truth and injustice
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #47
66. YOU are teh one who INFERRED Nancy Pelosi would bug Cindy Sheehan's room
The ONLY connection between Cindy Sheehan and Nancy Pelosi is they are both running ofr the smae political office.

Your inferrence was an underhanded attempt to lend support to a third party candidate.
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grannie4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #66
123. yes i was the one but i did not know this was the wrong site
Edited on Mon Aug-25-08 04:27 PM by grannie4peace
i thought it is a general discussion site. i know the position nancy pelosi is in -- but i've seen really crumby politics lately & reacted a little paranoid. i didn't read all the rules either, so sorry about that too :shrug:
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #1
6. no I do not
Think Pelosi is scared of Cindy
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #1
9. not a chance, LOL!
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #1
54. not at all
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #1
57. Scared of what - Cindy getting 15% of the vote instead of 10%
You know Democrats aren't the only one who might do this.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #1
108. They are ALL scared of Cindy. nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:27 PM
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2. Must be FBI. Only they could be that effing incompetent.
Be safe, Cindy!
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #2
17. Our FBI?? With their long record of respect for privacy???
Naaah! Can't be. They've never done anything like that.....have they?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #17
39. One of MLK's former attorneys built his whole book around FBI tapes.
That's probably the best use of their material. I thought was great.

lol

http://www.booktv.org/program.aspx?ProgramId=9372&Secti...
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:29 PM
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4. God bless her
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #4
366. And may the Dems defeat her resoundingly!
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Ashy Larry Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:29 PM
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5. Why are people so quick to believe this?
This is the same stunt Karl Rove pulled in Texas. Cindy is a politician looking for attention and funds.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:30 PM
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7. Because it's DU?
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:19 PM
Response to Reply #7
319. Ditto
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. Shh.
They might bug you too.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #5
12. I don;t buy it for a minute
At least I don't buy anything nefarious about the story.

What value would there be in bugging Cindy Shehan's phone?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #12
55. They have been watching her for years now
I saw them with my own eyes in Crawford. They also followed a lot of her supporters, me included.

This is definitely not bullshit; no doubt in my mind whatsoever that what Cindy is reporting did indeed happen.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #55
80. I need a lot more than an anecdotal story about a telephone repair guy
Not buying it.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #80
186. She is a personal friend and has never lied to me
That's all I need. I do trust my friends.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #186
345. I've never met her
but she comes off as pretty nutty to me.

If she wanted to go after Pelosi's seat, she should ahve done it in a primary. She ;lost a lot of credibility with me doing a third party end run.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #55
375. Who is "they" and for what purposes?
I'm not being rude, I am genuinely curious. I don't doubt that it could happen, I just don't see what there is to gain by following Ms. Sheehan, she's pretty much an open book.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #12
149. Why is she even IN Denver?
She is a registered Independent, is she not?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #149
183. Only Democrats can be in Denver this week?
lol
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #183
210. Well, unless they are planning
to disrupt the Democratic Convention, they will be Democrats, yes! She's there to disrupt the Convention? That's OK with you?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #210
226. I am watching Hardball
and they just interviewed a group of McCain supporters. (Hint - they are not Democrats). Yet they weren't disrupting.

Now unless you believe Denver has been cleansed of all Democrats for the week, yes there are indeed many people there for the convention who are NOT Democrats. And there will be people in St Paul next week who are not Republicans. And yes, it is okay with me that they want to be there. I wish I could go to both conventions. It's called witnessing history.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:52 AM
Response to Reply #210
364. It's OK with me.
I am for freedom of expression, not suppression. The democrats have been wrong a number of times and need to be held to account. "Hold their feet to the fire", I think someone said. Democrats can't take a little criticism? Can't take a little protesting? What is the Party coming to?

:rofl:
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #5
13. THEY ARE OUT TO GET ME!!!!
give me some money so I can beat the bastards :rofl:
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #5
14. Ya mean you think Cindy's making it up?
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Ashy Larry Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. That's my opinion, yes.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #14
19. I think she believes it...which is even worse.
She's an odd little bird at times.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:43 PM
Response to Reply #19
27. I love Cindy. Because the war is now not supported is because of
her. Go, CINDY! Be safe.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:48 PM
Response to Reply #27
31. I'm not saying that she wasn't instrumental in focusing people's attention on the war.
...and she deserves credit for that.

She's just not qualified to be in Congress, IMO...and episodes like this are supporting evidence of that.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #27
64. I love her too
Hope she is staying safe in Denver.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #27
222. bullshit. yes, she helped put a spotlight on the travesty of this war
and so did others- way before she converted to being anti-war.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #19
34. No, Cindy is not odd and she's not little.
Gee, I wonder why Cindy would think she's being surveilled?

Maybe she has a rocket scientist on the payroll. lol
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #34
49. Do you really think they still bug phones like they did in the 50's?????
If somebody wanted to listen in on her phone calls, they'd tap into her line at the central box for the hotel...or they'd have a "maid" leave a small wireless bug hidden in the room...

...there are any number of ways to do it, but they haven't used those 1950's "telephone bugs" since...well, the 1950's.


This story definitely shows her to be odd.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #49
51. Your post shows you didn't read the article. n/t
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #49
69. You didn't read the whole article did you?
But you sure are ready to jump up and call her a liar. :eyes:
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #69
91. Yes, I did. Why do you keep asking people if they read the whole article??
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #91
97. I am not the only one asking you that
It is obvious you didn't read the article. You keep asking questions that are answered in the article and making statements that are refuted in it.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #97
101. I read it in its entirety and just reread it again. To what are you referring?
What questions are answered in the article and which of my statements does it refute?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #97
104. This is just like the thread where they bashed Cindy for wearing a t-shirt
instead of asking why wearing a t-shirt is an arrestable offense. And for HOURS that night.

I'm out of this thread. There are people who cannot be helped.

Thanks for the heads up, though. :loveya:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #97
116. I read it. twice. and I think she's lying.
sorry, that is NOT how phones are tapped. her story is ludicrous. And she's utterly irrelevant.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #116
121. I know her and know she isn't a liar
You are just a name on a discussion board.

Guess who I am choosing to believe?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:33 PM
Response to Reply #121
134. sorry, everyone lies. virtuallly everyone. And Cindy has told some
real whoppers. Like the bullshit about dems starting all wars. and I could care less that you know Cindy. She's certainly not one of my heros.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #134
138. LOL
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:37 PM
Response to Reply #138
141. try educating yourself, dearie.
people lie. Oh, and your silly little hero worship is just sad.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #141
143. And your unthinking insults are amusing. n/t
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #134
140. I don't think for a minute that she's lying.
...and that says something frightening about her competence.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #140
168. That you can make such a statement about someone you've never met
says a lot about yours.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #168
177. I'm not the one claiming that 1950's spies are trying to bug my phones.
I didn't know David Berkowitz, either...but I'm fairly certain that he was a few sandwiches short of a picnic.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #177
201. She is not claiming anything of the sort.
You are making a lot of strange assumptions in your quest to discredit her.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #201
242. I asked you the question earlier in the thread. I'll ask it again.
Direct quotes from the article (not reporter quotes, Sheehan quotes):


I immediately said; "What the hell are you doing? Are you putting a bug on my phone?"


"it could have very well been ascertained that I was the one in this room, and the room we did reserve could be bugged, also. I am confident that that's what was happening when I walked in on the "maintenance" man""


How is this not Cindy claiming that a fake maintenance man was trying to bug her phone??
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #242
255. I've got say....the circles these people are talking in are quite amusing
It's also quite sad. If I was a true friend of Ms. Sheehan, I'd think about trying to get her some help instead of frantically spinning a story they themselves posted.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #242
256. "the room we did reserve could be bugged"
the

room

, not the phone.

Do you get it now or are you still so stuck on dissing Cindy that you don't understand what she is implying.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #256
270. So what's your point? How does that nuance make it any different?
She found a repairman with a screwdriver in her hotel room and the first thing she asks him is if he's bugging her phone.

She later states that she believes that her room could be bugged.


...and she sends e-mail to a reporter about the "incident".


Is there some "implication" that you think she made that this doesn't cover?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #270
299. "I'm not the one claiming that 1950's spies are trying
to bug my phones."

Your words.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #299
323. Fine. I'm not claiming that 1950's spies are bugging me at all.
Does that clear it up?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #323
325. I am glad you have moved from the phone to the room
Looks like you are starting to get it. :)
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #325
333. Shall I move into the refrigerator, since that's where the phone apparently now resides?
Look, if you have something to say, say it. You hint that you have some information that wasn't in the article while berating people for reading the article and not reaching the same conclusions as you.

If you have information, share. If this is simply a Cindy-worship thing, I'm truly not interested.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #333
341. You have already made it clear you don't believe Cindy's story
Why in the world should I share information that was sent to me in a private email with people who ridicule Cindy and call her insane? Those who really are interested and care about her welfare know how to PM or email me if they want more info that shouldn't be posted on a public site.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #341
348. Any casual observer, reading this article, would think the same.
All I have is what's printed in this article and you're right...I believe that Cindy thinks that she was bugged, but I see nothing to support that here.

Just a question...if you support Cindy and want to see her gain further credibility, why would disclosing additional details that would explain the situation to her favor be inadvisable?
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #341
360. I'm interested
and curious about the story. If you have more information, I'd like to know what it is. (Sorry, I don't know you well enough to PM you, but if you'd prefer to PM me the info rather than place in the thread, I'd understand.)

This story is fascinating, and I'd love to find out what really happened.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:01 PM
Original message
I've never met McCain. Should I not criticize him just because I don't
know him personally? Absurd.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #134
159. She is one of the most honorable people I know.
I count her friendship as one of my greatest blessings.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #134
196. I don't lie
But I guess you must since you think virtually everyone does. LOL
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #196
213. You just told a lie. Sorry, there's tons of sociological evidence
that everyone lies. And yes, I've told lies before. Saying you don't lie is a lot like saying you don't masturbate. I'm pretty vigilant about not lying about important things, but yeah, I lie daily. I'm in the hospitality business too. And quite often when I say something like we look forward to seeing you tomorrow at two, I'm lying.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #213
231. I don't know whether I am more shocked
Edited on Mon Aug-25-08 05:22 PM by proud2Blib
that you actually believe everyone lies or that you are in the hospitality business.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #231
267. and loved in what I do. I'm damned good at it.
I run a tea room/garden with a friend from May until the end of September. The gardens are spectacular, and the food is very good.
And we're all so constantly gracious, it becomes painful by August. I've got the social thing down- and did by the time I was twelve. Growing up the way I did- New Canaan, private schools, dancing school, etc, it's hard not to have certain social skills.

And yes, virtually everyone lies. Do educate yourself on the subject.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #267
312. Well since you admit being a liar
I don't believe you when you say you are good at your job. Sorry. I have learned not to trust you.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #312
328. Are you honestly stating that you never lie?
I'm not talking about being devious or having bad intentions or getting off on misleading people...I'm talking about saying something you know to be untrue.

You really never do that?


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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #328
336. Not since I was a teenager, no
It would be too hard for me to keep track of who I told what and when. It's just easier to be honest and tell the truth.

On second thought, I did tell my kids what a wonderful experience it was giving birth to them. But that's not really a lie, I just left out the part about being in pain for 15 hours. LOL
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #336
343. Maybe we have different definitions of "lie"...
I don't make an intentional habit of it, but I lie almost daily. Today, I waited 45 minutes at the doctor's office for a report that they should have been able to get me in 5 minutes, nearly making me late for another appointment. When 40 minutes had gone by, I said to the receptionist "I hate to bother you, but I have another appointment in 30 minutes and I was wondering if it would be easier for me to come back later." She looked at me as if she had no idea as to what I was talking about and replied "Oh, yeah...let me check on that."

I had the report in my hand 5 minutes later.

She apologized for the delay and I said "No problem, I know you're busy." and smiled.


That was a lie. It was a problem and they weren't busy (she spent most of the 40 minutes chatting with the other receptionist). I simply realized that there was nothing to be gained by expressing my displeasure and lied.

You really never do stuff like that?



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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 09:43 PM
Response to Reply #336
363. Can't Help Reading This And Feeling Sorry For You.
Edited on Mon Aug-25-08 09:44 PM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
I read the mini thread and something became readily obvious. That's that the person you're lying to more than anyone is yourself. Yes, you lie. Everyone lies to some degree, even small degrees. You are just as prone to that as anyone, even if it's less frequent. But the reason I feel sorry for you is due to what appears to be an inner insecurity and need to feel morally correct even to the smallest degree. Because of that, you don't even have the capability of admitting to yourself that you do in fact lie. You can't even see it or acknowledge it, because you try so hard to hold onto this idealistic view of everything and idealistic moral fabric within yourself as if your world would crumble if you were found to be just a little bit human or flawed as it related to such. So I feel sorry for you, because even as you're reading it all you will be able to do is block it out and deny, because you don't have the capability to admit that you do in fact lie and aren't perfect in that way, no matter how much you sit here and say that you feel no need to lie. That just means you may lie less than others, as I lie less than others. But many lies are not out of need or even thought, they just are out of habit or convenience, without having even tried to. You aren't above that, no matter how hard you try.

Yes, you lie. You may not be able to handle that or admit that to yourself, but you do lie. In fact, you're lying to yourself right now even as you read these very words.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 08:38 PM
Response to Reply #49
361. Maybe the bug isn't for listening to phone conversations.
I have no idea if her story is true or not, but I don't think that your argument disproves it.

You're correct that you don't need to physically plant a bug on the phone to listen to phone conversations. I'm not sure that was ever necessary, even in the 1950s. But they may not have been bugging the phone. They may have been bugging the room in general and the phone was just a convenient place to hide the bug. In fact, the statement that she placed the phones in the refrigerator shows that she believes that this is the case.

I also see another possibility. It may have been some non-governmental entity that was doing the bugging. It's true that law enforcement can listen in to phone conversations without directly bugging the phone. As I understand it they can listen in at the central office. But what do you do if you want to bug a phone but you're not law enforcement? Which is easier, breaking into phone company facilities, or bribing a hotel employee to let you into a room?

Like I said, I have no idea if the story is true, but it is at least plausible.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #14
61. i suspect you're more likely to use a screwdriver to fix a phone than to bug it
This isn't 1955. THere are more sophisticated ways of bugging someone's room or phone than attacking a phone with a screwdriver.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #61
81. When did hotel staff come to your room to fix a working phone?
lol
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #14
73. Crazy people actually believe their delusions
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:48 PM
Response to Reply #5
32. Because some of us know Cindy? Because she has never lied
to anyone through all of this?

Why do you disbelieve it? You're comparing CINDY SHEEHAN to KARL ROVE?

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

:rofl:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #5
59. Shows you don't know Cindy at all
She's about as opposite of Karl Rove as possible. LOL
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Ashy Larry Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #59
67. I know her ideology is the opposite of Rove.
This story just doesn't sound credible and it reminded me of what Rove did.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #67
79. What isn't credible about the story?
Several of us who know Cindy have posted in this thread and there is no doubt in our minds this is true. Yes, she has been followed and her phone has been bugged in the past. We know that to be a fact. So why in the world would this incident in Denver be false?
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:39 PM
Response to Reply #79
261. Because you don't bug phones that way anymore?
And...really...who uses a hotel phone at this point? It's $1 a call. I use my cell everywhere.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #5
195. I believe it.
I think that Cindy Sheehan is an honest person.
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:31 PM
Response to Original message
10. Which hotel is it?
Edited on Mon Aug-25-08 03:32 PM by Kire
Are there other Democrats staying in it?

I'd hate to be the owner of an empty hotel in a city teeming with people from all over the country that need rooms.

I hope she has evidence. Was she alone? Any other witnesses?
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #10
381. "Other" Democrats?

Cindy is not a Democrat.


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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:33 PM
Response to Original message
15. No, but Cindy obviously has some bats in her belfry.
Paranoid much?

Bring me an actual bug and I'm all ears. Tell me a story about a repairman whose valid presence was verified by the front desk, and it's just psychotic babbling.

If she had doubts, she could have just asked the repairman to either show her I.D. or accompany her to the front desk...where she could have obtained his name and independently checked whether he was, in fact, a repairman.

...but squeaking "They tried to bug my phone!!!!" is soooo much more dramatic.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #15
40. Does Cindy Sheehan threaten you?
"Squeaking"? lol
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #40
53. No, but for a small-time candidate with zero chance of winning
to claim that somebody is using 1950's technology to listen to her phone calls is a little squirrelly...hence, the "squeak".
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #53
65. She didn't do that and you didn't read the article.
Maybe "squeak" is just a projection on your part. :)
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:23 PM
Original message
Direct quotes from the article:
I immediately said; "What the hell are you doing? Are you putting a bug on my phone?"


"it could have very well been ascertained that I was the one in this room, and the room we did reserve could be bugged, also. I am confident that that's what was happening when I walked in on the "maintenance" man""


How is this not Cindy claiming that a fake maintenance man was trying to bug her phone??
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #15
86. READ THE WHOLE STORY
Cindy isn't the one with bats in her belfry. I have known her for 3 years and have never known her to lie about anything. So I trust her story about this incident.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #86
115. ...and, for you, too....direct quotes from the article:
I immediately said; "What the hell are you doing? Are you putting a bug on my phone?"


"it could have very well been ascertained that I was the one in this room, and the room we did reserve could be bugged, also. I am confident that that's what was happening when I walked in on the "maintenance" man""



How is this not Cindy claiming that a fake maintenance man was trying to bug her phone??
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #15
111. After you've been followed by the police and targeted by the right wing hate machine
THEN you can talk about who's paranoid. She has very good reason to be.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #111
124. BINGO!!
Thank you for your response.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:34 PM
Response to Original message
16. People still USE the phones in their HOTEL ROOMS? The FBI has surely heard of
cell phones, right?
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #16
37. You read my mind.

I can't remember using a telephone in a hotel room in ages, and I travel a lot.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #16
41. Who would be dumb enough to bug a hotel phone?
A $2/min and with everyone having cell phones, they are the most unused thing in the room.

Cindy is cracking up.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #16
48. They need the power source for a room bug, perhaps
Edited on Mon Aug-25-08 03:58 PM by Cronus Protagonist
And the phone is always good for that. And they don't just listen to phone calls with bugs, they listen to the room sound 24/7 - I understand they also bug behind the light switch plates and power outlets for the same reasons... easy power, easy install and remove... all that's needed is a screwdriver.

I still suspect that Cindy's got bats in the belfry, but I don't blame her for it, and I'm holding judgment on this because it's entirely possible, although I do think a bugger would have a partner who would do sweeping before and interference during the install, hence Cindy wouldn't have caught a bugger in the act. I'm keeping an open mind on it, and although I'd bet a hundred bucks her cell phone is already tapped, I doubt she actually caught a bugger in the act, although her room could still be bugged anyways.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #48
75. What century are you living in??
This took me 3 minutes of searching:



http://www.spyworld.com/equipment/listings/l0053.html


It's self-powered for three days and transmits to a UHF receiver.

...and that's an off-the shelf item from "SpyWorld"...
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bushmeister0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #75
126. Oh great, now you've done it!
You just told the FBI they don't have to use a glass on the wall in the next room anymore!

Swift move!
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #126
145. Sorry...
I guess Boris and Natasha are finally going to get "Moose and Squirrel"...
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #75
232. So?
For a week long bug, a power source is better. Just a preference I have. I don't like to sneak in twice just to change batteries.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #232
258. Gimme a day and I'll modify that thing to accept another AAA batery or two.
I'd also imagine that anybody with an interest in spying would have a source that had better products than "SpyWorld".
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:49 PM
Response to Reply #258
282. haha, you can count on that
And they also have methods better than sneaking into a room, leaving the door open and having no-one doing interference, which I noted earlier. Still, with the ability to spy on anyone simply because the Bush admin chooses to do so signed and approved and now law, I don't doubt that her cell phone calls are recorded, as are all phone calls in the US and Britan, and someone might even listen to hers from time to time as well, just to be sure she's not planning an assassination or something... lol... :)
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #282
293. I was under the impression that ALL phone calls were recorded nowadays.
Cindy's, mine, yours...everybody's.

Sure, they can't possibly listen to every conversation and there are probably procedures that "prevent" them from listening in without a warrant in a lot of cases, but I thought it was a foregone conclusion that all of us are "bugged".
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #293
329. Yup, that's what I said too n/t
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #16
203. Can't remember the last time I used a hotel phone.
The charges are ridiculous.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #203
234. I used one in London a few years back
One local call cost me $38.00, which I refused to pay and told them to sue me for it. hehe.. I left them a US quarter for the call.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #234
247. Hee!
That's outrageous. I hope they used the quarter wisely.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #247
250. It's probably still in someone's drawer as a souvenier or something
I also gave each of my nephews and nieces a silver dollar each while I was there. I bet they met the same fate. :P
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #16
372. Nobody would tap the HANDSET anyway.
Modern hotel phones are digitally switched and can be tapped centrally. Even if the hotel was older and had an analog line, they'd tap it in the wire room. Putting a BUG in the phone handset is a Hollywood plot invention and hasn't actually been done since the 1950's.

My guess is that the hotel had a complaint about the phone from a previous guest, and that the guy really was just replacing it. Phones do break, and it's not uncommon for repair people to enter rooms while guests are renting them. If you don't want them entering, you have to put that "Do Not Disturb" thing on the door.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:40 PM
Response to Original message
22. I think she has a right to be concerned.
Edited on Mon Aug-25-08 03:40 PM by Cleita
She is a high profile person who has caused an ideological rash irritation to the corporate politicos on both sides of the aisle. I would have my tin foil hat on very tight as well if I were her as well.
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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:41 PM
Response to Original message
23. Oh Please!
If anyone wanted to bug Sheehans phone they wouldn't need a guy with a screwdriver in her room. Possibly Cindy has been watching to many '60's TV spy shows.

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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #23
36. No Shit.
But I was thinking more like the 70's.

Maybe Ritchie Brockleman, Private Eye can help her.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #23
43. You didn't read the article, did you?
:)
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:42 PM
Response to Original message
25. I believe that the WH
keeps an eye/ear on her wherever she goes.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:43 PM
Response to Original message
26. Symptoms of Psychosis: Hallucinations, delusions, paranoia
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:45 PM
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29. LOL
This is why I don't take Cindy seriously. The typical woo-woo nuttery of those who have gone off the maps. Of course Cindy ignores the perfectly plausable explanation that the phone was being repaired (which was then collaborated by the front desk of the hotel) and instead goes with the least likely possibility...someone is bugging her phone with some 1960's style cold-war era phone bug.

I immediately said; "What the hell are you doing? Are you putting a bug on my phone?" He looked like he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and stammered out: "N--no, we are having problems with the phone." I told him to get out of my room because my phone was fine and I called the front desk and the person at the front desk stammered something out about "problems" with some of the phones.

The reaction of the phone repair guy seems pretty consistant with the reaction most people would have when suddenly confronted by a stupid question.

Makes for good reading though.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #29
33. When was the last time someone in a hotel fixed something in your room without you asking?
In my experience, never. Maybe she stays in nicer hotels than I do.

Besides, if there are problems with the phone system, the maintenance man would have no reason to go into an individual guest's room. I'm just saying.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #33
44. Wrong.
Happens all the time.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #33
50. Many Times
As a person who spent 250-ish days a year on the road for the past three years, I've had hotel staff in and out of my room on several occasions to fix things I either didn't know were broken or to do other non-maid maintenance type stuff. Most of the time they left a note saying that someone that wasn't the normal house keeping staff had been in my room and what sort of stuff they'd done while in the room.

How do you know that access to the phone was not required? You seem to be assuming a lot in some sort of desire to believe that inserting a bug is actually what was happening here.

Not to mention the fact that if I were going to bug someone's hotel room, I wouldn't leave the f'ing door open while I worked so they could easily walk in and surprise me. I'd close and lock the door, that way if the occupant did show up, I'd have some time to cover up what I was doing.

So again, bugging of the phone is pretty much the least likely scenario. Won't stop some people from believing it.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #50
60. You didn't read the article either, did you?
And in all the years that I did the road, there were only a couple of times repair people came to our room without some kind of notification.

Not to mention, usually you have to harangue the front desk for anyone to come at all. They usually don't just show up out of the goodness of their heart.

lol
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #60
74. So you admit that on some occasions
repair people came to your room without some sort of notification?

That makes my argument a lot easier. Thanks.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #74
89. Really lame. When was the last time someone came to your room
without notification to fix what was not broken?

I'm thinking, never.\

It's hard enough to get what is broken fixed.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #89
96. as pointed out by others...I've had maintentance folks come to my rooms lots of times
Edited on Mon Aug-25-08 04:17 PM by onenote
Sometimes they've come and knocked while I was in the room and I've let them in. I suspect that if I wasn't in, they'd let themselves in, just like housekeeping does. You don't "own" your hotel room. And the hotel staff can and does come in and out of it when they feel the need.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #96
107. I don't buy it, onenote. We more or less lived in hotels
Edited on Mon Aug-25-08 04:26 PM by sfexpat2000
for almost ten years. We were never overrun by repair people trying to keep up the room. We more often had to lobby for days to get anything fixed. Sorry, no sale.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:22 PM
Original message
Well, then, we just have different experiences with hotels then.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:27 PM
Response to Original message
125. Yeah. You have that "experience" where management
is hovering all the time to fix things in their rooms. Because that's how they turn a buck!
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #125
132. Not all the time, But it happens on occasion. Over the years, its quite a few times.
Edited on Mon Aug-25-08 04:32 PM by onenote
And of course, I don't know about the times they're in my room when I'm not there.

But nice use of hyperbole.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #132
165. Hyperbole? I've worked in property management for a long time.
It's not hyperbole, onenote. It's how property owners turn a profit.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #89
109. LOL! You didn't read NeedleCast's post either did you?
Edited on Mon Aug-25-08 04:24 PM by progressoid
Needle clearly says that this has happened in his experience.

You keep accusing others of not reading the post and then do the same. :rofl:

Edited to add: Maybe you did read it but just didn't comprehend it. In that case, my mistake for assuming otherwise.

By the way, I do work for a hotel management firm and have seen maintenance employees go in and out of rooms on many occasions.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #89
131. As I've explained, in detail
Over the last three years I've spent an average of 200-250 days a year on the road, in hotels. On dozens of occasions, hotel staff have entered my room to fix something, improve something or do other minor work in the room without being asked. It's possible a previous occupant complained about something and they're just getting around to fixing it.

Being a VERY frequent traveler and knowing many people in the hotel hospitality industry, there are very few things that go on in their rooms (especially at higher end hotels) that they don't know about. I've had the cable go out in a room and a repair technician there five minutes later to fix it. I've come back from being out of the room to find staff in exactly the same situation as described by Cindy OMG IT'S A BUG Sheehan, standing behind my desk repairing a TV, replacing lightblubs, fixing a leak below the sink...all stuff I was unaware needed fixing (or just didn't care enough about to call about).

Naturally, when I find uniformed hotel staff in my room upon returning to a hotel, my first thought is that they are up to something nefarioius.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #89
275. In the Turks and Caicos last year, every day
Our air conditioning was constantly leaking. We became friends with one repairman.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #50
68. yep..lots of times
and if they were doing something clanestine, wouldn't they have someone as a lookout to let the inside person know someone was on their way upstairs?

Spy novel garbage, if you ask me
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #33
373. Maybe a previous guest mentioned it.
Here's an entirely realistic explanation. The previous guest in the room discovered a problem with the phone and reported it. That guest had vacated the room, and it was subsequently rented to Sheehan. The repair guy has a complaint on the books about the phone in the room, so he went in to fix it.

As for the other post about harrassing staff to get things fixed, you must stay in cheap hotels. I travel pretty regularly and have never had to call more than once to get something repaired, to get extra towels and supplies, etc. And yes, I've had plenty of repair people in my room to fix things. My room in my last trip had a broken thermostat, which they warned me about when I rented the room. When I went into the room later that evening there was a note from the hotel that a repair person had been in the room and replaced the thermostat unit.

Unfortunatly for that particular hotel, their repairman sucked and the "new" thermostat wasn't working at all, so they had to trade me to a better room. Again, I didn't have to bother them, they simply offered the transfer when they realized that the room didn't have A/C. The hotel? The San Jose Marriott.

I would assume that a well known activist and congressional candidate like Sheehan isn't staying at a Motel 6. No decent hotel is going to require guests to badger them about repairs.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #29
46. When was the last time a repairman fixed your phone
without being asked and with a screwdriver?

lol

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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #46
72. To access most phones you'd need a screwdriver
Unless you were simply operating on the mouth-peice (which is where a bug would go...so if you were going to bug a phone with some cold-war era bug, you wouldn't need a screw driver).

I know there will be no convincing you because of your relationship with Cindy. However, for the rest of the peeps who might read this, the mostly likely scenario is exactly what the repair-man said because:

1. If you're going to bug a phone, you don't need a screwdriver.
2. There are - off the top of my head - at least three better ways to bug a room.
3. Phone issues were confirmed by the front desk.
4. Maintenance worker left the door open and unlocked while committing federal felony seems unlikely.
5. In the past three years, when I've spent an average of 200-250 days a year in hotel rooms, there have been dozens of occasions when staff who were not house keeping entered my room to make a minor (and in one case major) repair without me pointing it out.

But yeah, if you want to believe that it's some evil dude dropping a phone bug in the mouth-piece of a phone, go right ahead.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #72
77. The claim was not that the phone was being bugged.
lol
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #77
88. Uh yeah, it was
Let me quote the article, Oh demander of article reading. I believe I'm quoting Cindy herself here.

"I immediately said; "What the hell are you doing? Are you putting a bug on my phone?""

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #88
92. Do you see that big old question mark?
That was a question, not a claim. The article that you didn't bother to read before you started bashing Cindy reflexively makes that clear.

Honestly. We get exactly what we deserve when we can start bashing someone like Cindy Sheehan.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #92
103. so the article called "Cindy Bugged in Denver" isn't about an attempted bugging?
Its about someone fixing her phone. Okay. If Cindy thinks that's noteworthy, then hopefully we'll get an update when housekeeping brings her new towels.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:23 PM
Response to Reply #103
113. Hehe
Perhaps she'll tell us what's on the continental breakfast buffet as well. I'm all a-twitter waiting for that article!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #103
130. Are you not aware of the meanings of "bugging"?
The article was about finding someone in her room and about that person being unable to account for why he was there to fix a working phone.

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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:33 PM
Response to Reply #130
135. oh, so he was there to "bug" her as in "annoy" her.
Edited on Mon Aug-25-08 04:34 PM by onenote
Fair enough.

Hopefully, we'll be treated to regular updates of other things that happen to annoy Cindy. Like ordering a hamburger and getting a cheeseburger. Or asking for decaf and getting high test.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #135
158. Pathetic. If this happened to you, I imagine you'd not be so cavalier.

:)
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #158
188. if it happened to me I wouldn't have it written about in a blog
Once upon a time, I was sweetly sleeping in my hotel room in Atlanta when, at 2 am, someone tried to get into my room. They obviously had a key, because they got the door partway open; but the security bolt stopped the door from opening fully. I woke up from the noise and after a minute they stopped trying to get the door open.

I was still trying to clear my head a couple of minutes later -- trying to decide if I had imagined it or if it was real. Before I could call the desk, however, my room phone rang. It was the desk asking me what I was doing in Room number whatever. I explained that I was in the room because it was the room I was given and that I had a key and then I hung up.

The next morning I went down to the desk and voiced my complaint that (a) the desk had given a key to my room to someone else and (b) that the desk had called me at 2 am to ask me what I was doing in that room. The desk feebly explained that there had been a mix-up and that someone had just checked in and was given my room by mistake even though it was already occupied. And then they offered to upgrade me to a nicer room, an offer I declined since I was already unpacked and settled in to my room (I was going to be in Atlanta for five days).

So I guess you're right. I wasn't cavalier about it. And now, just like Cindy, I've written about it on the Internet.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #188
235. This is an article written by a reporter; it isn't a blog
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #235
301. True, it's a mix of an e-mail Cindy sent and an interview.
(or so it seems to me)
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:49 PM
Response to Reply #130
281. So...the hotel room was "annoyed?"
What are these multiple meanings of "bugged?"
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #92
112. Looks like an Accusation to me
Because yeah, most reasonable people would think, upon seeing a repairman in their hotel room that he was there planting a bug.

You can keep on telling me how I didn't read the article, but what's the point of the article if Cindy didn't want us to believe she walked in on someone she thought was bugging her room. More attention seeking for the Queen of Attention seeking.

Sorry, just because Cindy is anti-war does not make her into a person who's actions can't be questioned.




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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #77
94. then it was that the room was being bugged?
Or that nothing was being bugged?

What is the article about then?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #94
98. About finding someone in her room and the rest is speculation.
What is the matter with you people? Haven't enough vegans been surveilled for you yet? Or, Ted Kennedys wound up on no fly lists?

Really. You are unbelievable.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #98
106. Can't wait for the article speculating about whether the housekeeper was really changing the sheets
nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #106
110. Derision is not a substitute for logic.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #110
118. No, but it is appropriate for stories that deserve derision
Look, either she's claiming that there was an attempt to bug her room. Or she's not. Or she's saying she doesn't know what was going on.

Well, I think the former idea is pretty silly given current technology. If she wasn't suggesting it, then its hard to say what the point of the story is. And if its "someone was in my room and I don't know what they were doing".. well, that could've been written if she had come into the room while housekeeping was there and was caught holding something she'd left on her bed (which they then explained as just moving it so they could make the bed).
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:32 PM
Response to Reply #118
133. Cindy didn't write that headline.
And bedmakers usually don't show up with screwdrivers.

I really don't care what you think of this story but, the lengths you go to in order to try to put Sheehan down are remarkable.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #133
151. No, but by her own admission, her first reaction was "Are you putting a bug on my phone?"
Kind of a strange question to ask a repairman...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #151
154. Do you mistake your own reactions for your considered opinions?
Edited on Mon Aug-25-08 04:43 PM by sfexpat2000
And, are you trying to tell me that thinking people have no reason to believe their own government is spying on them?!

Really?!
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #154
170. Lemme see if I have this straight...
Cindy didn't really accuse anybody of trying to bug her phone, although her direct quotes were:

I immediately said; "What the hell are you doing? Are you putting a bug on my phone?", and

it could have very well been ascertained that I was the one in this room, and the room we did reserve could be bugged, also. I am confident that that's what was happening when I walked in on the "maintenance" man"

...and, to believe that the maintenance man "with a screwdriver in his hand!" was actually trying to bug her phone, he would have to have been using cold war technology...but that's not an issue.

...and her first reaction upon returning to her hotel room to see her door ajar and a maintenance man inside was "What the hell are you doing? Are you putting a bug on my phone?"...but that's completely normal.

...and, even when the front desk verifies that they did, in fact, send a repairman to her room to fix a problem, she refuses to believe them...and that's perfectly logical...because a hotel never sends repairmen to fix things.


So, she's not lying and she's not a little nuts. Vast forces are truly conspiring against her...using 1950's technology, lousy surveillance protocol, and the cooperation of hotel management.

Does that about sum it up?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #170
179. Quote:
"You don't come in the room with a screwdriver if there are problems with the hotel phones. You do it electronically, through the system or you hook up a new phone."
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #179
204. then why was she upset about the repairman? She obviously knows he wasn't there to bug her room
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:10 PM
Response to Reply #204
206. Why do you get upset, onenote?
:)
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:11 PM
Response to Reply #206
209. I'm the farthest thing from upset you'll ever see!!
I'm enjoying the heck out of the attempts to explain Cindy's paranoia!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #209
214. You're dodging the question.
Cindy Sheehan is the least paranoid person I've ever met.

And I'm sure there were a lot of things she'd rather be doing in Denver than dealing with this crap.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #214
221. I didn't dodge a thing
I'm not at all upset. I'm enjoying the heck out of this thread.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #221
225. Yes, you are. The question was, what do you do when you're upset?
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #225
228. Try reading what you wrote: "WHY" do you get upset?
Geez....its bad enough that you can't get Cindy's story straight, but now you can't even get your own words straight.

Anyway, when I get upset, I react like most people do, I suppose. So, if I saw some guy walking out of my room with my suitcase, I'd say what the hell are you doing. On the other hand, since I'm used to the fact that maintenance people come into my hotel room sometimes, seeing someone working in my room when I got there...especially if they had propped the door open so before I even walked in I knew someone might be in the room.. that wouldn't upset me at all.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #228
246. Good. Then the Fusion Center near you will have no problem.
:)
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #214
296. Cindy sounds like a saint: never lies, completely logical, not paranoid
Hell...I am none of those things. And I am a fan of me.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #296
308. She's never lied to my knowledge and she's never seemed paranoid
in the least. Anymore than any of us who have been under surveillance.

Completely logical? I'm not the best judge of that.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #308
332. Apparently
See what I did there?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #332
342. Yeah. You posed a question and I answered you honestly.
lol
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #179
238. Exactly. When did Cindy become a maintenance man?
I can immediately think of one reason to use a screwdriver.

If the system detects an intermittent short in the phone, it could be the phone itself or it could be the wires that connect to the jack behind the plate...which would require a screwdriver...and no amount of "through the system" fixes are going to address the issue.

I'm not trying to remotely diagnose the problem, I'm just stating that using a screwdriver to repair a phone problem is hardly suspicious.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #170
189. LOL. To buy this bilge, one has to completely divorce yourself from reality.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #189
202. Or, you'd have to be able to deal with it.
:)
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #133
181. But repair people do
usually show up with screwdrivers!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #181
217. To fix your working phone?
I guess I've never been lucky enough to have repair people just show up for no reason.

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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #217
298. Why does Cindy use hotel phones?
Get a disposable cell. Cheap and difficult to trace.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #298
347. There's no indication that she does. n/t
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #110
122. Pot meet kettle.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #98
114. It's unreal isn't it?
What does it take to convince these people?

I became a real believer the second time I went to Crawford and was followed from Camp Casey to my hotel 30 miles away at 11:00 at night. Next day I went home and my email account was frozen for 10 days. Same thing happened to the email accounts of several people who were at Camp Casey. Cell phones mysteriously stopped working also.

And why in the world would anyone want to make this up? If you have ever experienced it, you know it isn't fun or anything to brag about either.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #114
120. I don't think she necessarily made it up.
I just don't think that there is anything nefarious about finding a repairman in your hotel room.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #120
155. Ever since I became involved in the national peace movement
after meeting Cindy, I have seen many unbelievable things. I now question every click I hear on my cell phone and every time I have trouble opening my email and every car that parks in front of my house. I have seen too much to trust my government.

Cindy gets death threats. She has every reason to be suspicious and would be stupid if she wasn't.

Here in my city when we protest against the war, someone stands on the roof of a building across the street and takes our pictures. Cops write down our license numbers. And none of us are as high profile as Cindy Sheehan. But you bet they are watching us.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #155
286. when I was going to a Quaker draft counseling center during the Vietnam war
I assumed I was being photographed going in and out of the place.

And yet I don't freak out when someone comes into my hotel room to fix something, especially when they leave the door propped open.

Go figure.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #120
173. Not per se. It would be the vibe. I agree with that. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #114
137. When I caught someone in my home, it took two years to be able to sleep again
normally.

It's just the usual bash Cindy at any ridiculous cost posse. When you reread the thread later, that shows up pretty clearly.

Because none of us who protest against the Bush regime would EVER be surveilled right? And certainly American citizens who are law abiding have nothing to worry about, either! :sarcasm:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #137
176. We had a big march here in my suburb a year ago
I was one of the organizers and after it was over, I went over to thank the cops who had provided security for us. They seemed really surprised we had been peaceful and there weren't any problems. One of the cops asked me where I was from and I said "I live here". He gave me a really funny look and said "But we don't know YOU". I laughed and said "well you do now".

Two months later some kids called me who wanted to hold a march. They said they had called the city to get a permit and the cops called them back and gave them my name, address and phone number and told them to ask me to help them organize their event.

When we vigil over in MO, people stand on the roof of the building across the street and take our pictures. Cops come by, park, get out of their cars and walk up and down writing down our tag numbers. And remember all we are doing is standing on the sidewalk holding signs against the war.

So you bet they watch us and know who we are.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #176
198. Of course they do.
But Cindy is just paranoid/lying/looking for press/an attention whore. :crazy:

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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #29
117. Its absolutely logical to believe Cindy is bugged or monitored.
It would be naive to think otherwise. Of course she is.

But the fact that someone would do it so clumsily is unlikely. Its either a real repairman, a complete amateur, or a deliberate attempt to intimidate her.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #29
273. I'm stunned that the repairman in a hotel spoke English
That's the part that rings most hollow.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 10:06 AM
Response to Reply #29
368. Where's Maxwell Smart when you need him
:rofl:
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npk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:54 PM
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42. I have a question
Why didn't she call the police? If someone breaks into your room shouldn't your natural reaction be to call the police, or alert the hotel front desk, and then they would have definitely called the police. I'm sorry but this sounds like bullshit to me.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #42
52. Because the police are likely in on the conspiracy
Don't you ever watch any movies?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #42
95. How do you know she didn't call the police?
Sheesh this thread is just full of low information posters. LOL
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #95
153. If she called the police why was that missing from the story then
They said she called the front desk.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #153
160. She called the police too
I can't address why the reporter left that out of the article.
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npk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #160
194. Hmmmm
According to Sheehans email.



I told him to get out of my room because my phone was fine and I called the front desk and the person at the front desk stammered something out about "problems" with some of the phones.


It doesn't say she called she police.

So after calling the front desk she apparently decided the problem would be best handled by civilians, instead of the police.

BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULSHIT.
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npk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #95
174. Are you kidding me?
If she had notified the police it would be all over the news. Instead she emails people telling them she has been wired tapped and no where in the email do she say she notified the authorities, which is what she should have done. What is this gad damn fifth grade. Besides the similarities to Watergate are just to bizarre for me to ignore. I guess she believes she is that important. :rofl:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #174
219. "If she had notified the police it would be all over the news."
You should give lessons in how to trust our media. Maybe you have some information I don't.

Cindy isn't the one acting like she is in 5th grade here. LOL
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npk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:29 PM
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244. Oh please
If she had called the police at the very least the local news stations would have covered. More than likely even Faux News would have covered it. It's in Denver on the eve of the DNCC, and she running against Nancy Pelosi, the news would have covered.

No where in her email does it say she called the police, and frankly without seeing it in writing I have to suspect she didn't.

Most likely because Sheehan blew this whole thing out of proportion or is completely pulling it from her ass.

Sorry you can call me whatever you like, but I am skeptical. What can I say.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #244
251. You are skeptical but you trust our media?
Oh please.
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npk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #251
274. It has nothing to do with trusting the media
It has to do with common sense. Even if the Corporate Media, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, etc wanted to shun the story, some independent news site would have picked up from somebody who saw police cars out in front of the hotel. Yet this story is nowhere to be found on tv, or on the internet. It is only on opednews.com. I doubt that this is a conspiracy against Sheehan to keep her from getting any publicity. I think this is the result of a paranoid woman who likes to embellish the truth just a tad, to make herself seem more important.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #274
304. According to her, she called the cops
And I have no reason not to believe her.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:54 PM
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45. Which hotel was it?
Anybody know?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #45
100. Why would anyone who knew that post the name of the hotel here?
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #100
105. Just asking. I'd like to know which one it is. Might be interesting to call and make
an inquiry. Tighten their sphincters a little.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #105
191. Well it would be stupid to post the name here
So much love for Cindy in this thread!
:sarcasm:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #191
237. Understood. There's always the PM system, I suppose.
I'm just curious. I'm quite fired up by this link:

NETROOTS PUSH BACK AGAINST MSM BIAS 8/24/08
http://news.yahoo.com/story//politico/20080824/pl_polit...

The media is starting to wake up and notice that WE are here, too, and WE have bones to pick with them. The push-back is CRITICAL if we're even to begin restoring an even playing field.

So why not in this case, too?

It all goes back to this: If they think we don't care, THEY WON'T, EITHER!!!!!!!!!

Maybe some of these hotel operators will start caring a lot if people begin to blow the whistle about this. Even if it's only a suspicion. Even if it turns out not to be true. It will put them on notice that people are aware, awake, keeping track, and taking names.

I for one would like to call over there and ask to speak to the management and let them know I had planned to visit Denver and I'm concerned because there have been reports that their establishment may be bugging the phones in some visitors' rooms. What it will tell them is that their customer base, or potential customer base, is aware something's fishy, and that word's getting around, and that they continue this at their economic peril.

All that's needed is for them to know that we know. Because if they think we know or suspect, then some of them may figure the jig is up and they better not get too far into this - because it might be bad for business.

SUNLIGHT AND FRESH AIR. Bring it out in the open. It scatters the cockroaches and other vermin.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:01 PM
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56. Hope she got a picture of the guy.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:02 PM
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58. God, sometimes I wonder if anyone else remembers the 60s -- or even yesterday...
This is Bush's Fascist Administration we are living with. Cindy and every other agitator is in the files of the FBI. I don't support her candidacy, but I support her as a human being, and if I were she I would make a point of never doing any planning or coordinating or anything in my hotel room that I was not willing to share in real-time with the feds. I have a feeling a lot of rooms are bugged, and the only question is why it wasn't done earlier.

I want my country back, and I'm not that old but I sure am feeling old reading some of these responses.

Hekate


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #58
63. No kidding. n/t
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #58
90. Well, Cindy sure does...since that's the last time a telephone bug like that was seen.
Read upstream.

Unless Boris Badenov and Natasha Fatale are bugging her room, nobody has used a telephone bug that required the use of a screwdriver in 40 years.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #58
239. Amen
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:04 PM
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62. I find it amazing
that so many people here find this impossible to believe. Cindy is an antiwar activist who has been a thorn in the side of the Bush administration. And we know how our government respects our civil rights when it comes to privacy. Hell they had people watching the Quakers. If this is paranoia-she has a right to be.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #62
71. She hasn't been a thorn in the side of the Bush administration for years
She is now doing the Republicans' dirty work by being a thorn in the side of Democrats. She isn't in Denver to support Obama.
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #71
78. I thought she was still an antiwar activist. No?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #78
85. She is a candidate for Congress running as an independent against a Democrat
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #85
93. Has she given up marching and protesting
the war? For that (and not her candidacy) she may have reason to be paranoid.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #93
241. No she hasn't; she is still marching and protesting
Just not as much as before.
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #241
257. That's what I thought.
I can't understand why some find it difficult to believe, with all we know about this administration, that she is being watched.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #257
300. Well I have watched them watch her
LOL
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #62
82. I don't find it impossible to believe
but I find that it's very unlikely based on several facts that point at this being a pretty typical hotel room repair job.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #62
264. So why not blame Bush for it?
It seems Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats are now the bug up her ass, pardon the pun......
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:06 PM
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70. Yeah this one is tripping my meter in overtime as total bullshit


I mean I think we're starting to realize that the KEYS and HILLARY SUPPORTERS are really more right wing pushing an agenda to make us look bad so hell let's do a 'Cindy's phone bugged' because naturally we're all going to jump on board and assume that the man in the suit with the screwdriver was naturally Nancy Pelosi.

:eyes:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #70
83. You didn't read the article either, did you?
Oh, man. Why do people bother to post.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #83
164. Oh I read it
and still calling bullshit

Did she actually see the bug itself. And half the bullshit is towards people assuming it's related to Nancy.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #83
269. That's a good question
It seems you don't want anyone to question the article.....just nod and say "Oh, yes.....they are messing with Cindy again!"
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #70
240. Are you implying that Cindy is working with the PUMA folks??
Good grief.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:08 PM
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76. They still bug phones? I thought there were technologies where they could
listen to your phone call without the old style buggings.

:shrug:
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #76
84. There are
but that won't stop the people who want to believe that a cold-war era phone bugging is what was happening.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #84
272. She'll have to do what James Bond did in Thunderball now.
Leave a running tape recorder in her room, then play it back to see if anyone came in.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:12 PM
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87. I love the part where she describes how well her campaign is going
According to opensecrets.org, so far she has gotten 55 individual contributions for a total of around $28,000. The majority of those contributions are from outside her district.

Yep, Nancy's quaking in her boots.

Not.
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:17 PM
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99. Cindy needs professional help anyway, so I'm going to feel free to chuckle over this claim.
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:18 PM
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102. Cindy Sheehan no longer speaks for me. I was a huge fan
until she started spouting all that weirdness about the Federal Reserve and how the Democratic Party is the party of slavery. She's just like Nader.


SO. DONE. WITH. HER.



from the Denver Post, quoting Cindy:
"Neither Republicans nor Democrats represent the people," she said. "They've taken away more of our freedoms. It's now easier to spy on us.

"This convention is sponsored by AT&T. What does that tell you?" she said to wild cheers.

"Denver has partnered with the Democrats to create a fascist police state. Now we have free speech in cages. We are not animals."

- - -
Go home Cindy, you loon
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #102
119. Yeah, you have to be loony to object to the Denver Fusion Center.
Colorado Fusion Center to Step Up Intelligence Gathering During DNC; US Northern Command to Play Role

Federal and state law enforcement officials in Colorado plan to increase intelligence operations during the Democratic National Convention in Denver and run a fusion center, where intelligence analysts will collect and analyze reports of suspicious activity. Civil rights advocates fear the fusion center could enable unwarranted spying on protesters exercising their First Amendment rights at the convention.

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/8/1/colorado_fusion_ce...

Oh, that wacky Cindy Sheehan. Maybe if she goes home, none of this will be happening! :wtf:
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:28 PM
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127. Remember that Bush bugged the UN Security Council before the Iraq War
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/03/1046540131...

It's not impossible that Cindy would be bugged. It's a pretty clumsy job if she actually caught them though. It could be some low level person or group trying to "help" by being a little overzealous.

If you really want :tinfoilhat: maybe it was someone from the RNC trying to make Pelosi and the Dems look bad.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:29 PM
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129. That is not how you bug a telephone, my friends!
I've caught phone eavesdropping red-handed, and I know how to do it myself.

Oh yeah, nice timing this!! Did you see the Convention called to order? It was great.
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:34 PM
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136. I've worked in the hotel/hospitality industry for over 25 years
Maintenance is given a list of rooms to fix (whatever is wrong in the room, big and small) every day; most gets fixed while the guests have checked in, but depnding on the amount at any given time, some do not. In my hotel it happens easily 5-10 times a day, more if the job involves heating/cooling/electronics (tv/radio/phone).

This is a pretty common occurrence.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #136
139. And how are those work orders generated?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #139
144. bwahahaha.
funnier and funnier.

:rofl:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #144
148. It's a waste of time, but I've never had a repairman show up to my hotel room
to fix something that was working.

Not in a decade on the road. I've never had a repairman come to our room, lol, and say, "We just need to check to see if the phone that you didn't complain about is all right."

lol

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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #148
156. That's what you're missing
The ratio is 70/30 towards things being fixed in your room that is a result of people letting the front desk know that something was wrong w/ the room ("the AC doesn't work", "The lamp by my bed had a bulb burned out", The refrigerator wasn't cold")they stayed at before you. It doesn't get fixed instantaneously; it takes time depending on the volume they have.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #156
161. Exactly. That is my experience and that's sort of what I was asking.
But if the phone was working in that room, the chances are pretty good that the party in before Sheehan didn't ask to have it fixed.

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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #161
166. Actually, it's pretty good they did
The amount of times that people have complained that things didn't work in their room that did is pretty common, too. TV's and phones, especially. You'd be surprised how many people can't operate the remote of any TV but their own, and can't figure out how to turn on a TV.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #166
169. But. we don't know that anyone complained about anything.
A phone that has no dial tone or that has static on the line is a little different than a remote that won't jump to accomodate you -- I know, I had to hold my ex back on many occasions. lol
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #169
178. Like I said, this is a pretty common occurrence
It doesn't matter to me one way or the other whether it actually happened, but it's definitely not out of the ordinary that he would be in the room.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #178
190. No, hotel owners or management services usually don't send out people
to fix what isn't broken. In my experience, they usually wait until there is not other recourse because they've gotten so many complaints that there's nothing else they can do but fix it. But, that's just me.
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #190
212. If you don't want to believe me, that's cool
I'm just trying to let you know what I've personally seen and done myself many times over 25 years.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #212
223. Oh, no. It's not that I don't believe you at all.
It's that I've been on the management end for so long, I know repairmen are not just sent out in case there is a problem. Thanks for your responses.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #148
157. and you think because it's never happened to you, that's it?
sorry, that's a little self-referential. Someone in the hotel industry just explained to you how it's entirely plausible that the repairman was just a repairman. Add that to the FACT that NO ONE bugs phones in the way that Cindy alleges. Add to that, that most folks use their cells in hotels. This whole thing is a blatant piece of bullshit. It fails the common sense test.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #157
162. You didn't read the article either, did you?
Oh, cali. You never disappoint.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #162
167. I certainly did read it, and your silly accusation that people who
don't agree with you about Saint Cindy's big Denver adventure is pathetic. YOU are the one not reading. You can't respond to the obvious and accurate point that phones haven't been tapped by some guy with a screwdriver in 30 years or so. Blinded by paranoia and hero worship to any reality.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #167
171. There was no clam that the object was to bug the phone.
But, please go ahead with the vitriol. :hi:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #171
175. lol. oh please. that's exactly what she was insinuating.
clearly it's what she was saying. how feeble. but truly funny. pray continue with the codswallop you're dishing out. it's a riot.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #175
184. Thank goodness you aren't trying to pass my English 1A section.
:)
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #171
180. Then why was that the first thing she asked the repairman?
"What the hell are you doing? Are you putting a bug on my phone?"
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #180
192. What would have been the first thing out of your mouth?
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #192
205. Can I help you?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:11 PM
Response to Reply #205
208. No, I mean in the moment. Not behind your keyboard.
:)
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #208
216. Can I help you?
That's what I'd say if I walked into my room and someone was working on something. Its my least confrontational way of asking what they're doing, since in my experience they probably have a reason to be doing what they're doing. Just saying "what the hell are you doing" isn't my style, I guess.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #216
229. Fair enough.
When I confronted my burglar on a hot prowl, I wasn't that measured. lol
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #229
253. Would you agree that a burglar in one's home and a repairman in one's hotel room
are two completely different circumstances?

When I return home, I know that nobody should be standing there when I walk in the door.

When I return to a hotel room, I realize that maids or repairmen might be in my room.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #253
260. I don't know how to answer that or how to second guess some one else's reaction.
It would be about the vibe and that's something you can't easily communicate in writing, is it?

When I met Cindy, she was a very down to earth person. Not a nervous type, not even someone who tried to get attention at our event. She seemed very grounded.

It's hard for me to reconcile these theories of why she would report something like this with the person I met. She's more like the kind of person that would be honest with you even if it meant taking shit later for her honesty.

Maybe that's the problem.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #260
276. Like I said, I really don't think she's lying.
But I (and, I believe, most people) find her immediate assumption that she's being bugged to be odd.

Given the circumstances, I don't think a rational person would have made that assumption.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #208
287. I would say, "Oh...do you need me to leave?"
I always assume that I am in someone's way. When IT comes to my office, I always leave.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:59 PM
Response to Reply #287
295. I love you, the boss.
LOL! In honesty, I probably would too, because I'm a life long appeaser. And, that's not the best reaction to have when people are screwing with you. :)
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #192
248. Honestly?
"Oh, hi...what's the problem?".

I can state with complete certainty that I would not have asked if he was bugging my phone.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #248
277. But were you Cindy, what would you have thought?
I'm not trying to be a smart ass here.

But even in my modest and limited career as an activist, I would have thought exactly the same thing that she said. :shrug:

The days when I wouldn't have thought that are so long gone. I try not to care that I probably have no privacy but, the physical proof that my privacy doesn't exist any more would probably spur me to say something really similar if I'd been surprised in that way.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #277
290. I don't think her assumption was normal under any circumstance
...short of having had somebody tell her beforehand that somebody was planting a bug in her room.

Even if I was a prominent political activist, I'm confident that this would not have been my initial reaction...and I can guarantee that having the front desk confirm the work order would have removed any remaining doubt...and I'm absolutely damn sure that I would not have made an issue of it in the media afterwards.

Look, I'm not detracting from her contributions. It's just my personal belief that she's a good activist, but maybe not always so level-headed.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:14 PM
Response to Reply #290
315. If she were not level-headed, you would have seen her melt down
on camera, no?

Yet, all you have is what is reported. That should raise a question or two. :)
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:19 PM
Response to Reply #315
320. Two things: First, people can be a little nuts and not "melt down".
Second, why should I question that "all" I have is what's been reported when it's Cindy's report?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #320
326. Two things: First, people with those problems do melt down.
Ask me about that sometime.

Two: You have a report of Cindy's in a nest of a multi-year corporate media distortion. Like the night when she was arrested for wearing a t-shirt and all of DU excoriated her for hours before they even knew what her t said or even considered if one should be arrested for wearing a t-shirt. :shrug:
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #326
362. I give up. Logic can't compete with hero-worship.
Yes, it's all perfectly normal.
:eyes:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #362
374. But slurs can? :-)
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #374
376. What "slur"? Perhaps I should have been clearer...
Her behavior in this case is a little bit nuts.

That's not a slur, it's an opinion of her actions and claims.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #376
377. "Logic can't compete with hero-worship."
Is it your habit to try to invalidate people you disagree with? Good luck with that. The last time I had a hero, I was five years old. That was about the last time I took name calling seriously, too.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #377
379. Look, many people here have provided logical explanations of the event.
Based on Cindy's own account of the episode, there's no logical reason that she would have reached the conclusion she did.

Some here were angered by that. They didn't refute the logical explanations, they just stated that they know Cindy and trust Cindy and claimed (in some cases) that unless one knew Cindy personally, they had no right to make comments.

In my book, that sort of response is hero-worship.


I wasn't being snide, I was stating a fact. In many cases, people will ignore logic when they view somebody as a "hero".
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #180
197. because it wasn't the housekeeper with towels
If it had been the housekeeper with towels, the first thing she'd have asked is "What the hell are you doing? Are you putting a bug in my bathroom"? And an article about that wouldn't have been about bugging her room either!!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #197
215. Ridicule. An important part of any logical argument.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #215
218. the amount of logic demonstrated on this thread is so tiny to discern
at least by those defending Cindy's concern/non-concern about bugging/non-bugging.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #218
224. More ridicule. Well done!
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #171
193. She said "Are you putting a bug on my phone?"
:shrug:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #193
211. Right. She reported what she said. Later in the article, she says
what she thinks. :shrug:
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #211
220. ahem
"By the time we left for the march, it could have very well been ascertained that I was the one in this room, and the room we did reserve could be bugged, also. I am confident that that's what was happening when I walked in on the "maintenance" man""

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:20 PM
Response to Reply #220
227. She says very clearly that isn't what she thinks is happening:
"You don't come in the room with a screwdriver if there are problems with the hotel phones. You do it electronically, through the system or you hook up a new phone."

The thinking seems to be that the room was being bugged, not the phone.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #227
236. If they were putting a bug in the phone...
...why didn't they do it beforehand and just swap out the old phone with the bugged one?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #236
243. Are you really asking me why those people are stupid?
They just accused Bruce Ivins of being in Princeton AND in Frederick two+ hours away at the same time. :shrug:
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #243
245. Who said that? The hotel screwdriver guy? n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #245
249. No, FBI as reported by the WaHo and CNN.
Edited on Mon Aug-25-08 05:34 PM by sfexpat2000
Those bastions of liberal journalism. lol

eta link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #139
146. By a list that each department brings to the Head of maintenance
And how many people he has on at any given time. If it's busy, it's pretty much non-stop.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #146
152. Sure. I bet it is.
But those orders originated somewhere. Sometimes it's just about renewing a permit but more often probably, because there was a complaint, isn't that right?
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #136
142. Anyone actually watching the Convention? Instead of falling for this BS!
And, they leave the door ajar instead of hiding their presence.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #142
147. I'm watching.
and this typical attention seeking bullshit from Cindy still pisses me off.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #147
163. Live Blog thread is in GD-Presidential here:
Edited on Mon Aug-25-08 04:50 PM by L. Coyote
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:41 PM
Response to Original message
150. That would be our president
just returning a few favors for the FISA bill. Nice to see he is a man of his word. Funny how it works out that now that kind of thing is all perfectly okay. No laws being broken here - we annulled the fourth amendment.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:58 PM
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172. time for cindy to either stay w/some friends or go to another hotel n/t
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:02 PM
Response to Original message
182. And this wacko wants to be elected?
Damn. I was hoping for a halfway sane government after Bush and the Republicans lose control. I hope we are not replacing them with nuts like her.

1) If anyone really wanted to listen to her (and I doubt anyone gives a damn), booking the room next door would be the easiest option.

2) With cell phones, no one would bother to use or bug a hotel phone

3) If they did, Cindy obviously has been watching too many movies from the 1960's and hasn't kept up with technology

4) Occam's Razor - simplest answer is some hotel maintenance man doing his job.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:03 PM
Response to Original message
185. Hahahaha AAAAAHHHHHhahahahahaha
Suuuuure ..........

Hahahaha HAAAAAAAhahahahaha :cough: :cough: hahah .... ha ..... heh heh ....

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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:03 PM
Response to Original message
187. A simple technical note for the reflexive anti-lefties
The point of installing a device in a telephone is not to monitor phone calls. That is easily accomplished in other ways. The point is to use the power from the telephone to run whatever device they might install. It could be anything, including picking up and re-transmitting room noises or RF signals from using a computer or cell-phone transmissions.

As to what actually happened, it could be that or simply intimidation. As for the suggestion that it was "really" routine phone repair service, if a phone actually is malfunctioning the normal procedure would be to replace it and then either send it to maintenance for diagnosis and service, or, more likely, to just junk it.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #187
200. I gather you're in the hospitality industry. Specifically in maintenance, eh?
Edited on Mon Aug-25-08 05:08 PM by cali
And just because one finds Cindy Sheehan a joke, doesn't mean one is an anti-lefty. Furthermore, Cindy Sheehan is completely irrelevant. She has no following. She's no longer taken seriously by anyone in the establishment- either dem or repuke; she's a fringe candidate. And she's made one nutty comment after another in recent years.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:10 PM
Response to Reply #187
207. because using a phone as a power source is so much easier than
unscrewing a wallplate and actually attaching something to the electrical supply for the room.

Right.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #207
230. Yes, in fact it is easier because electronic devices run on DC, not AC.
The phone circuitry provides the conerter as well as a convenient location.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #230
233. They didn't even need to be "doing" anything. The intimidation is enough. n/t
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #187
313. ...or it could have been a repairman fixing the phone.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:07 PM
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199. That's just paranoid
I travel and stay at hotels and whatnot across this country and I have had hundreds of cases where they had to repair such and such...
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:33 PM
Response to Original message
252. NOTE: The Denver police are the ones who surveilled a bunch of Catholic nuns...
My mother's 80-something cousin among them. And everyone knows elderly Roman Catholic nuns are such a threat to the order of society.

Hekate


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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #252
385. Did the police bug their phones?
:shrug:
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:35 PM
Response to Original message
254. I am curious as to how many people are on each side. You can vote in the poll here.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:38 PM
Response to Original message
259. I feel like I am watching a slow motion emotional collapse with her sometimes
Seriously, the best thing for her would be to just go home for six months and rest. If she had real friends, they would tell her to step back and get her head straight.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #259
263. You're assuming her head isn't straight.
That's not the person I know.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:47 PM
Response to Reply #263
279. We get it. She's your pal.
I have friends that are crazier than shithouse rats, and I would defend them against anonymous posters too. You are a good friend.

But, seriously, Cindy appears to be crazier than a shithouse rat these days.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #279
283. It's now crazy to report that your privacy has been violated?
We're in trouble, theboss.

When we discount out of hand a report like this before at least waiting for more information, we're screwn because we're doing it to ourselves.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:53 PM
Response to Reply #283
289. There was a repairman in her hotel room
If I come back to my room and find a maid in it, is my privacy being violated?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #289
297. That's what I keep saying about the vibe.
I wasn't there. But, if someone is in my room when I walk in on them, the vibe matters. Right?

And I assume that in this case, the vibe mattered because I have no reason to believe it didn't.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #297
302. It's always weird when you come back to the room and find a staffer there
It's like you are both invading each other's private space.

I can imagine the vibe is especially odd if a crazy woman is involved.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:05 PM
Response to Reply #302
305.  . . .
:spank:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:39 PM
Response to Original message
262. Noting some of the responses,
there are some naive people here.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:42 PM
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265. Wouldn't the government just use their electronic eavesdropping?
Edited on Mon Aug-25-08 05:50 PM by Marr
That stuff is set up at the phone company itself. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Sheehan is under some degree of surveillance, but this sounds like something out of a cheesy 60's spy movie.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:42 PM
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266. No wonder the Democrats rolled over so easy on FISA!
They wanted to listen in on Cindy's phone calls! :)


Anybody....ANYBODY who is vocal in opposition to the Corporate administration (and that includes Corporate Democrats) has BETTER be suspicious of finding an unrequested "workman" in their hotel room.

Those trying to marginalize Cindy because of her suspicions are full of shit.

They do/did the same thing to marginalize Kucinich, Wellstone, Nader and anyone who opposes Corporate Dominance. It is sad that so many mouthpieces have found their way to DU. :(



"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone


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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #266
271. Well said! n/t
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:43 PM
Response to Original message
268. By the way, she probably has been watched at times
Just not by guys with screwdrivers.

The FBI bugged Paul Casteallano's living room.

They aren't going to get caught by Cindy Sheehan.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:46 PM
Response to Original message
278. I Believe It... It's Not Like this Government Doesn't Spy on Activists
we know they do, so why are so many here trying to dismiss her?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:48 PM
Response to Reply #278
280. I think that a lot of us don't want to or have a hard time dealing with
the fact of our surveillance. It's not really about Cindy, imho.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #280
284. Honestly, It's Political Party Loyalty Taken to an Unbelievable Point
Edited on Mon Aug-25-08 05:52 PM by fascisthunter
of no return... many on here dislike her, because they see her as a political "enemy". This is just another excuse for a pot shot against her. I'm a Democrat, but I will never be lockstep....
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:52 PM
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285. I love all these amateur "intelligence experts" chiming in here...
acting as tho their condemnation of a woman who is fervently and actively ANTI-WAR is offered as innocent opinion. Yeah right, Cindy is needlessly paranoid...bwahaha!

Just the response this topic has received demonstrates that the DLC is deeply concerned with any effect that folk who outspokenly denounce the warmongers in our own party may have on their ascension to power.

That there are many factions out there who wish to invalidate Cindy's credibility, intimidate her into inactivity, and silence her message is, without a doubt, true.

Flick your light switches on, people! It's being done in broad daylight, right before our eyes.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:53 PM
Response to Reply #285
288. You Nailed It......
you'll see the same folks rail against populists too.....
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:55 PM
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291. Of course it's being done, and I think it likely has been done to Sheehan
but not this time. this is just flatly ridiculous.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:57 PM
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294. Because no one would ever spy on an opponent at a Democratic convention.
Got it, cali.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:08 PM
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309. because Cindy is irrelevant except on places like DU
she poses 0 threat to anyone. She marginalized herself with her own base. And I actually find that really sad and a wasted opportunity. Now that doesn't mean that she hasn't been surveilled, and it's even possible that she's being surveilled at this point, but the story about the telephone repair guy is just ludicrous on its face.

Oh, and don't forget to critique my use of the language, oh learned one.

:rofl:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:10 PM
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311. That doesn't mean she hasn't been surveilled?
Now you are arguing against yourself. I'll just get out of the way. You and you apparently have to come to an agreement.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:13 PM
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314. you really can't entertain more than one possibility at a time, can you?
if she's being surveilled, it's not being done by some guy with a screwdriver in her hotel room. duh.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:15 PM
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316. I can't keep up with your cognitive dissonance, cali.
Sorry!
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 03:29 PM
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382. "She marginalized herself with her own base" - note that she did manage to
Edited on Tue Aug-26-08 03:30 PM by coalition_unwilling
collect at least 17,000 verified signatures on the petition to place her name on the November ballot.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #285
318. Wish I could recommend your post!
DLC detests Cindy. They're certainly out in force on this thread, spewing their venom against her.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:55 PM
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292. She Is Really Going Over The Deep End With This.
Pelosi? C'mon, Nancy isn't a bit concerned with her seat since Cindy is NO threat. FBI? C'mon, get real.

Yeah, the FBI or someone else is bugging her phone, but they just leave the door wide open and let her waltz right in. I can understand why she'd be paranoid, but paranoia should easily be able to be overcome with simple common sense. What a joke.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:04 PM
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303. I believe she was asked if it was Nancy, she did not accuse her.
Cindy is always watched.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:06 PM
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307. and don't forget the no lookout part
yep, they send someone to her room but don't have anyone stationed to watch to see if she comes back.

On the one hand, the claim is that they do this all the time. On the other hand, apparently this time they did it as if they'd never done it before.

But a nice thread to play on during a muggy august day, doncha think?
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:06 PM
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306. I know a homeless guy that thinks the CIA bugged his sandwich.
Crazy people dream up shit all the time.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #306
310. Yeah. Like we dreamed up FISA with immunity.
:thumbsup:
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:16 PM
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317. "The Democratic Party is the party of slavery.", "Hurricane Rita is just a little rain."...
... "The Democrats started all the wars in the 20th century".

Doesn't sound like too far of a leap to "Someone is bugging my hotel room!".

Crazy people say crazy shit all the time.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:20 PM
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322. Please don't ask me to run that down.
I won't anyway.

And having lived with a "crazy" person for more than a decade, I could never mistake Cindy Sheehan for a crazy person.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:21 PM
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324. Indeed
:rofl:


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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:19 PM
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321. You really think the government doesn't monitor leading anti-war radicals?
Are you completely ignorant of the last 90 years of American history?

I don't think this guy was from the government and he probably wasn't bugging her phone. But if you think the government doesn't keep tabs on Sheehan then you have no idea how this country operates.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:26 PM
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327. Sheehan or no Sheehan, the attitude is bizzare. n/t
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:26 PM
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330. These people obviously never get up from behind their computers
and out into the real world. All it takes is one march, one vigil, or one protest and they would see for themselves how we who speak out are watched and monitored.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:36 PM
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338. Read my post again
If you actually did participate, you would know how we are watched. And yes, I do believe there are quite a few keyboard commandos here who don't participate. They are really brave when they are behind their computers. LOL
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:38 PM
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339. If you ever did, people who do would know you.
We'd have met you or we'd have planned with you or we'd have asked you to help out.

I've met a lot of people here at DU who do get out from behind their computers. Not you, though.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:28 PM
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331. Is she still leading anything?
I am certain that the FBI took an interest in her at one point. My guess is that interest has long since waned.

But more importantly, the story is nuts.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:30 PM
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334. You go with that. It's nuts.
No one's civil liberties are being violated and certainly not Cindy's.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #321
337. They keep tabs on relevant anti-war radicals.
Cindy Sheehan hasn't fit that bill in almost 4 year.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:39 PM
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340. Apparently someone disagrees with you.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:49 PM
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344. Yeah...
... about as many people as you can stuff in a clown car.

That's about the same demographic that believes her "bugged phone" story.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:51 PM
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346. About the same number that protested Iraq in the run up, I imagine.
Some things never change.

:)
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 07:00 PM
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349. You're dreaming if you think Sheehan has that kind of support.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 07:03 PM
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351. No, I'm not dreaming.
:)
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #351
354. You might want to look up thread then...
... or take a look at any thread where Cindy Sheehan's name comes up. To say that she is relevant anymore is a joke.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 07:21 PM
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356. That is the DU meme, you're right. n/t
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 07:01 PM
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350. Does anybody really care enough about what she says to do that?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 07:04 PM
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352. When you factor in the vegans and peace grannies and Quakers
that got the same treatment, is that the right question? :shrug:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 07:14 PM
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353. Heh indeedy.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #353
355. I understand DUers being against Cindy on party principle.
That makes sense.

But to think these mfers won't violate us at their leisure seems like a lapse of imagination. FBI for example, probably doesn't distinguish between indies and Democrats. They are in the Bush Justice Department. We're all fair game to them for now.

And it would be dumb not to take a note and gear up to deal with them. They don't just pick on people that DU doesn't like at the moment.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 07:24 PM
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357. Sure. I thought ppl were talking about *Democrats* spying on Cindy.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 07:30 PM
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358. There's always all kinds of rumors but I'm pretty sure Cindy doesn't think that.
I personally can't see Pelosi's office being very interested. Don't think Cindy thought that, either. That office has enough on its hands ignoring folks.

It was just probably the same dirty tricks we always go through. I went through a 6 month period where all my packages came pre-slashed and it just happened to co-incide with a project I did with MoveOn. Whatever. At least they didn't slash my hand towels or scented candles.

But, the internets will always gather up a lot of junk. If we can distinguish between the junk and the real issue of having our privacy cut to nothing, we'll be 'way ahead.
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 07:49 PM
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359. Why would anyone bug Sheehan's phone? She hardly keeps her opinions secret.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 10:03 AM
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367. People actually use the room phones??
Whodathunkit :)
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 10:27 AM
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369. I have no problem believing this. I would differ on who it was though.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:31 AM
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370. I was at Kaiser Daly City yesterday....
and saw a car with both an Obama and Sheehan sticker on it -- that was a first.

It's going to be an interesting electon season here in SF. :D

BWT, I am really shocked at how low DU has gone in regards to the prevailing attitude about Ms. Sheehan. Talk about being thrown under the bus. :eyes: :(
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 12:17 PM
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371. I remember a time when Cindy Sheehan was well respected on DU
There aren't many who have been so willing to stick their necks out as far as she has to give power to truth.
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davis95 Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 02:20 PM
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380. !!!!
!!!
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 04:24 PM
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383. Maybe, just maybe, she's making this up for attention
This would not be the first time she's done that
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Snarkturian Clone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 04:34 PM
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384. Should of put something else in the phone. NT
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