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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:00 PM
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TYT: What Does 'Change' Really Mean? (RANT)
What Does "Change" Really Mean?
By Cenk Uygur

Barack Obama has built his whole campaign around change. But he has not yet explained why we need that change. You might think that's a strange criticism because he has theoretically been talking about why we need change this whole time. But in fact, he hasn't; not real change. What do I mean by that?

Change isn't some theoretical concept, it's real. If my shoes are pinching my feet, I need to change them. That's not a global statement about the need for change in an ever fluctuating world. It means my feet hurt.

Right now, America doesn't need some sort of metaphysical change that satiates our society's need for progress in some vague, unnamed way. We need actual change. We need to stop giving away no-bid contracts to connected companies who get rich off our dime. We need to give some relief to the average taxpayer who is being squeezed by his credit card company, high gas prices and stagnating incomes ...

Hold on. Let that sink in. You hear that often from politicians, but they never follow up with what that means or what the reason behind it is. There is a very real reason why your credit card company can charge you interest rates. My credit card company works on a "17 day month." You know what that means? That means that they only give you 17 days instead of 30 to pay your bill because they hope you're late so they can charge you huge late fees and crank up your interest rates.

There were real people that passed real laws that allowed this to happen. So, don't tell me that I am being squeezed by the credit card companies. I know that. Tell me what you're going to do about it. Tell me that you are going to get the sons of bitches. Tell me that you are going to pass regulations that don't allow them to rip us off with 17 day months and 30% interest rates, etc., etc.

The problem is when these issues get real, Democrats get scared. I don't know why, other than the fact that they lack the courage of their convictions and they have been brainwashed by the mass media into thinking that the Republicans are right about everything.

If you go after the credit companies, you are being anti-business. Fuck that! You are being pro-consumer - that's all of the rest of us. Do you have any idea how much people would love you if you went after the credit card company scam-artist mother fuckers?!

If you go after corporations like Halliburton, they will say that you are against capitalism. So what?! Take them on. Halliburton is anti-capitalist. Where did Adam Smith write about no-bid contracts? These people have perverted the system into an anti-free market, pro-corporate lobby scam. . Why are they still getting US government contracts? They're no longer an American company. Fuck 'em. I need a politician at least brave enough to say that. That really doesn't take much. Can't we at least get that from our so-called leaders?

Barack Obama needs to stop talking about nebulous, floating on a cloud change. And start talking about how he is going to kick these people's asses. We need someone to take our government back.

On foreign policy, stop trying to prove that you are as "tough" as the Republicans. Read Robert Gates' new . It sounds like it was written by John Kerry in 2004. It talks about reducing terrorism to a nuisance and treating it as a crime-fighting problem. If the Pentagon isn't afraid to say it, why are you? Tell the American people even George Bush's Secretary of Defense thinks you're right and John McCain is full of shit...

For The Rest Of This Article . I highly recommend that you read the entire article BEFORE you comment.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:05 PM
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1. K&R !! I agree with Cenk. Thanks! nt
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:13 PM
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2. A most excellent rant!
Edited on Wed Aug-20-08 12:13 PM by CaliforniaPeggy
Change, real change, is scary.

Sometimes people (in their ignorance) feel unconsciously better the devil you know...

Than the new one you don't know.

K&R

Thank you


Edited for clarity
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:04 PM
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11. Amazing but true, there really is a certain comfort level n/t
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:14 PM
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3. K&R
:kick:
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:18 PM
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4. Hell YES, TELL IT LIKE IT IS!!!!
I only disagree with one line-
"The problem is when these issues get real, Democrats get scared."

Democrats aren't "scared," they are COMPILCIT and reaping the profits
right alongside their colleagues on the other side of the aisle.

BHN
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 05:48 PM
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16. I think it's both, i.e. some are complicit and others are scared n/t
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:41 PM
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5. K&R
This is right on target.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:44 PM
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6. K&R
:applause:
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:58 PM
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7. Hi! I do recal Obama talking about some specifics
Changes in our health care system, changes in our tax system and getting us out of Iraq in a responsible way.

But one recent specific thing that I look forward to his decision to review every last one of Bush's signing statements for constitutionality. That's something where he doesn't need Congress's approval. Being a constitutional attorney gives him the personal ability to make good decisions on this.

Yes, I agree with Cenk that specificity is key as we go into the fierce part of the election season. But the reason I support Obama is because of the specific things he's said he wants to address.

K&R! :hi:
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:21 PM
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14. Except for expanding SCHIP,
I don't recall Obama having any real plan to change or improve the healthcare system. What I read on his website was a document that tossed the word "affordable" around a lot but was really nothing more than a plan to tweak the health insurance system we currently have and call it change.

As far as his saying he'd review Bush's signing statements he said he'd join in a fillibuster against the last FISA bill so, until he actually does it, I wouldn't hold out a lot of hope for him following through on this one either.

I'm voting for Obama, but I'm not expecting much (and I truly hope I'm eventually proven wrong).

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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 09:04 PM
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24. He has gotten better, no doubt about it
And some of the ads have been tougher which I love.

But hey, there's always room for improvment.

:)
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matthewf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:15 PM
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8. k&r. damn right.
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:29 PM
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9. Strategy & Principals We as Liberals Should be Noted For But We are Not!
Cenk is spot on!
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:17 PM
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10. Filed under "No Fucking Shit"
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FKA MNChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:15 PM
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12. As usual, Cenk cuts through the
bullshit with a lightsaber. His is definitely a rising star in the honest media. Perhaps Rachel or Keith will consider him as their new replacement host. Being KO's protege certainly didn't hurt Rachel's prospects, and if RM's show is the success it should be, maybe she'll get Cenk an intro to MSNBC
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:19 PM
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13. Thank you for posting this! K&R
n/t
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 05:04 PM
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15. I agree with the second half of the article but not necessarily the first half.
I think Obama and the Dems do need to change their message and my hope is that they are laying low now and will come on strong start with the convention and continuing through Nov. 4th.

As for the first part regarding "change" - this is a criticism I've heard before but have to disagree with because I think "change" rests on you, me, and all of us, not Obama. He's said it himself - he will give us the opportunity to make these changes, but he can't do it himself. After all, he's our representative, so shouldn't he make the changes we want to see. It's up to us to communicate what we want and to work ourselves to bring those changes about. That's what a democracy is.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 05:49 PM
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17. government should serve the people, not corporations
This is the key, I think.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 06:23 PM
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18. yes
We need to demand that. Not "the people" but we - the activist community. We are the ones compromising on this and encouraging our representatives to compromise and rewarding them when they compromise, with our endless "intelligent" chatter about being realistic and practical and "winning" and the rest, while demanding that everyone conform and not get "too radical." We act as though ot were our job to represent the politicians, rather than their job to represent the people. We pledge our loyalty to them first - no matter what - and then wonder why we have no leverage. We applaud them for compromising in order to "win" and then wonder why they lose, or are mystified when they turn out to be compromising centrists once they are in office. We blame the people and viciously attack them, and then wonder why the people don't get behind us.

The general public is already there. The politicians would represent an anti-corporate constituency, if there were one. There would be one if we spoke out for it and rallied the general public behind us, rather than calling them morons and blaming them for the state of the country.

We are the ones blocking progress toward social justice.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 07:00 PM
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20. In The Twisted Mind of a Fascist... serving the corporations
is serving the people with jobs. Yeah... sounds like serfdom... it is. It's just another twisted form of it in a modern age.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 08:02 PM
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22. Agreed, but that means we need to change the law under which corporations are viewed as people!
Well, a flawed supreme court ruling. Actually, a flawed recording of an accurate supreme court ruling that later became precedent.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 06:58 PM
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19. Once Again... Can We Get a F*cking "Amen"
Republicans and so-called Free-trade capitalists are phony bullshit artists who have destroyed capitalism.... there is no "free" market... It's bullshit. You can't have a free market when everything is basically monopolized you right wing rightards... wake the fuck up. Your Jesus is really Satan, your freedom is slavery, and your democracy is fascism.
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fight4my3sons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 07:31 PM
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21. Righteous!
k&r
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LaStrega Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 08:50 PM
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23. You just continue ....
rocking my world. I'm okay with that.

k+r ... per your usual where I'm concerned.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 09:48 PM
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25. But that doesn't tell us why we need change either.
Tell me why we need to "get the sons of bitches" in the first place. Then maybe why we need change will come out.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:04 AM
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27. Maybe it's just me but I'm pretty sure he DID do that
For example:

"There is a very real reason why your credit card company can charge you usurious interest rates. My credit card company works on a "17 day month." You know what that means? That means that they only give you 17 days instead of 30 to pay your bill because they hope you're late so they can charge you huge late fees and crank up your interest rates..."

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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 10:22 PM
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26. The OP says:
"Where did Adam Smith write about no-bid contracts?"

Adam Smith actually felt that in most cases, huge monopolies were wrong. Thus our nation had some pretty awesome Anti-Trust laws set up.

Part of the problem seen by people like Smith by the mid 1800's was that big monopolies drive competition out. And a nation needs competition within an industry to come up with innovations that offer more to the public than the first originally designed product or device might offer to them.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:30 AM
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28. Good one! K&R!
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:35 AM
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29. K&R - very impressive.
I've liked Cenk for a while now, but didn't realize until now that he had this kind of substance. An excellent piece of writing and it comes at the perfect time. The profanity was perhaps a bit much, but he's angry, I'm angry, and a lot of people are angry. I can't fault him for showing it.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 09:44 AM
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33. Sometimes it's hard to get the substance with short youtube clips
Edited on Thu Aug-21-08 09:44 AM by ihavenobias
which is why I get so annoyed by people who dismiss Cenk based on them.

As someone who reads all the articles and more importantly, listens to TYT M-F, I can say he has plenty of substance. But he also likes to have fun which IMO makes his show more interesting than most.

Informative+Entertaining=Awesome. :)
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 12:42 AM
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30. Cenk Rocks!
:loveya: :yourock:

I love to read his columns. He pulls back no punches.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 01:14 PM
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34. Love him or hate him, no one can take away the fact that he's strong and as you say, he doesn't pull
punches.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 07:50 AM
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31. Thanks for posting this, Tom.
Edited on Thu Aug-21-08 07:52 AM by old mark
It is a great thing to read something like this after reading about people who are "undecided" about how to vote.

I just can not comprehend how any intelligent person could be having any thoughts of voting for McCain, but I keep seeing these kind of bewildered looking folks on TV saying stuff like,"I was leaning toward Obama, but I kind of like McCain now." Or,"I haven't made up my mind yet."
I just can't imagine the mindset of a person who has to think for more than 30 seconds about who should win this election.

Thanks again. FWIW, this is the first thread I have ever recommended.

mark
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 09:04 AM
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32. Change means motivating Americans with Hope instead of Fear
THAT is what it really comes down to.
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connecticut yankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 04:35 PM
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35. Excellent rant
and don't forget SCOTUS.
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