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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 05:41 PM
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War pictures from South Ossetia
Amazing series of images from the war in South Ossetia:

WARNING: SOME PICS AT THE LINK ARE GRAPHIC

http://www.navoine.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=551#551

My Russian is quite rusty. Any other DUers who could translate any of the text?
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 05:47 PM
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1. wow. nt
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 05:55 PM
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2. Holy crap

Thoughts upon viewing that gallery:

What a beautiful country!

That was some very heavy fighting that was going on there. Buildings, tanks, vehicles, people - all torn to pieces and burned. What a freaking waste. :(
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 06:10 PM
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3. Wow, great pictures. It looks like the Russians
decimated those US trained troops they were up against. What a waste war is. Looks like a pretty country.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 06:21 PM
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4. go here, plug the text in, hit Russian to English, & voila!
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 06:28 PM
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5. These neo-cons provoking the Russians is just insane
I think if we got in a war with them we could knock out their air force quickly with our stealth bombers. The problem of it is once that would be done the Russians aren't going to sit back and take an ass kicking they will go nuclear very early. The End
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 07:37 PM
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6. Here is a google translation
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 07:45 PM
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7. I'm outraged Georgia was doing this to S Ossetia with US approval
Not that I'm a fan of the Russians either, but if they hadn't intervened....? How many more would have died??

F*CK BUSH** and F*CK THE LAPDOG RIGHTWING MEDIA
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 07:50 PM
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8. Capacity exceeded when I went there.
Bookmarking, will come back later and translate.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 07:51 PM
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9. Thanks Truth2Tell
:hug:
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 10:36 PM
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10. Text.
From start to finish, 10:23 PM CDST, 8/14.

Chief-ed. Added Wed. Aug. 13, 2008, 11:13 pm. Memo heading: War in S. Ossetia: 89 photos, Arkadii Babchenko.

We present Arkadii's reporting from the military zone. Remember that he went from Vladikavkaz went to Dzhava, then to Tskhinvali, he participated as a military correspondent in the storming of Zemo-Nikozi, then went with the "East" (Vostok) battalion towards Gori and when on the way there came back on a chopper with some wounded.

Arkadii's short comments about his four days at the war can be read here: http://www.navoine.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=111

For now we're justing giving the pictures. All of Arkadii's material will be in the September issue of the Almanac "Art of War". For now ask questions in the Almanac forum.

(bold) Please, please when you download any of these from the net, remember not only that these are Arkadii Babchenkos, but that these belong to the Almanack "Art of War" (http://www.navoine.ru). You'll be doing a good deed, if you let as many people as possible know about our edition for veterans. (/bold)

We think that it's worth putting in all the photos, and decided not to leave any out. Here you'll see the war as it is.

NOTE: There are large numbers of wounded and killed!

(15 megabytes)

Not really more Russian here. The APC has writing painted on it saying it's with "East" (Vostok), and with "Chechnya" scrawled on it a few times.

There's a banner across one street proclaiming it was the "South Ossetian Year of Trans-Dniestria" (for tolerable explanation of Trans-Dniestria, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnistria --it's another Russian supported break-away region of a former ally that few apart from Russia recognize, but maintain pressure on the former allies and annoy them and complicate their borders.)
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 02:28 PM
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17. Thank you !!!! nt
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 10:47 PM
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11. Three things from photos
1,- They'd never be printed in the US press. I mean bodies burning? You are kidding me? That said... the smell you never forget. Amazing to watch just the image and have that sense of sweet sickly smell in the back of your throat... they say you never forget it, you never forget it.

2.- Ah the American equipment was cute....

3.- I was waiting for the classic piccie from every war... a captor giving water to a POW... never mind it is against the Geneva Convention... it is a classic that ALWAYS makes the rounds... since WW I to be exact. Change the uniforms, change the language. shame shit, different war

Oh and the Russians are painting slogans on their tanks? When was the last time we saw that? WW II, the great patriotic war...

I thought that should tell you guys something

Oh and no russian...
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 11:34 PM
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12. Text two:
http://www.navoine.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=111

It's the hyperlink from the page you posted to, with Arkadii's comments.

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Chief-ed. Added Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:05 pm. Subject line: Arkadii Babchenk: War in S. Ossetia.

Arkadii Babchenko's in Vladikavkaz. We're in communication with him. While that holds, we'll lay out his short commentary on events.

*** 10 Aug.--13:00.

He's with a troop battalion of 150 men headed towards Dzhava. The town's flooded with troops and volunteers, about 2500 men. Mostly they're Ossetians, but there are also Russians and Cossacks there. After being given orders at the military enlistment office, they're sent to Dzhava, where they'll be issued weapons. For now, there's the feeling of chaos in it all.

According to Arkadii's words, at the present the 58th army still hasn't entered Tskhinvali. The number of 2000 dead civilians isn't being taken seriously by any of the locals in Vladikavkaz, most talk about 100s.

Georgian air power has figured most prominently in the area of conflict in the last few days, according to witnesses from the war zone.

Rumors are circulating around the town about an Ossetian sniper who brought out of the conflict zone 13 trophies--Georgian ears.

There are rumors that Ramzan Kadyrov sent 300 Chechens into the conflict zone and they're already fighting and scored some kills.


Daniil Bulanov: Added Sun. Aug. 10, 2008. 1:30 pm. Subject line:

Um, yes. (???--Veselukha?), although the facts are always all over the place, esp. in a forum.

http://milkavkaz.net/forum/viewtopic.php (link currently reads: Темы, которую вы запросили, не существует = The topic you requested does not exist.)

Aka Bulkozavr

Anna. Added Sun. Aug. 10, 2008 3:05 pm. Subject line:

Good luck, Arkadii!

Chief-ed. Added Sun Aug. 10, 2008. 3:12 pm. Subject line:

There's no longer a link with Arkadii on any channel. We'll try to get in touch with him again this evening.

Chief ed: Added: Sun. Aug. 10, 2008. 8:04 pm. Subject line:

Tskhinvali: 20:58.

Arkadii's reached Tskhinvali. At first with Ossetian volunteers, then with a kamikazi owner-driver in a broken car without a windshield. (Trans. note: owner-driver is usually the word for a driver who picks up passengers as an impromptu, unofficial taxi.)

The whole road is packed with our columns, our equipment. The whole 58th must be on the move. Along with the Grads there are machines that Arkadii doesn't recognize, Iskanders or Point-Us. There's a lot of broken down equipment on the side of the road, equipment that went over the cliff. The non-combat losses are impressive.

In Tskhinvali Arkadii saw the bodies of Georgian tank drivers in the streets. The euphoria of victory is everywhere in the town. Nonetheless, the Georgian artillery continues to fire at the town, you can hear explosions over the line.

Theres' talk in Tskhinvali of about 200 dead Russian soldiers at the present time. The body of one of them lies in the street, covered by some cloth.

The Ossetians are euphorious, they're set and talk about the upcoming troop movement deep into Georgia.

All for now.

Chief-ed. Added: Mon. Aug 11, 2008. 12:01 pm. Subject line:

*
Tskhinvali. 11 August, 12:45.

***

There was shelling overnight and fighting in the villages adjacent to Tskhinvali has gone on since morning.

In Tskhinvali itself Arkadii counted about 5 smashed Georgian tanks and 2 of our BTRs (= APC) or BMPs (= armored infantry vehicle)--it was hard to tell from the piles of metal.

The bodies of 20-30 Georgians continue to lay around town and they're beginning to decompose in the heat. They're already burning bodies somewhere.

Ossetians are happy to show pictures of Georgian captives on their cells. Supposedly dozens.

You can see our air force in action south of Tskhinvali, The Georgian mobile anti-aircraft batteries working them over.

Arkadii's hopping onto some armored vehicle and heading to the mopping up now.

End of communication.


SkifAlef. Added Mon Aug. 11, 2008. 4:20 pm. Subject line:

Oh, f...
What's he gotten into now?
-----------
Intuition: The ability of the head to sense with the asshole.

Chief-ed. Added Tues Aug 12, 2008. 8:26 am. Subject line:

Zemo-Nikozi. 12 Aug. 8:30.

***
They stormed a village last night. It was a f*ck-up.

Right off the bat we lost a tank, and then were stuck in heavy combat. We're not fighting about reservist shepherds. This is worse than Chechen.

We're faced with a powerful professional army, well equipped, with heavy weapons. They're worked us over with SP guns! SP guns? Can you imagine it?

A laser-guidance device was captured. After the master gunner was taken out, it was better.

They have the best communication jamming equipment. There's no communication, or they come onto our frequencies and give us false orderse.

After the storming bogged down, we counted 6 dead and 9 wounded.

They mopped the floor with us.

How the fuck are "we on the outskirts of Tbilisi"???

The Georgian flag flutters over the village. A new attack is about to start.

***

The link was lost. During the conversation people were groaning and shouting and shouting in the background.

All for now.


Chief-ed. Added Wed. Aug. 13, 2008. Heading line:

13 August. 8:00

Arkadii in the Ministry of Waters. Everything's ok.
***
*
Yesterday's attack ended with us giving up and going around the village. We're on the move to Gori, artillery and air power will deal with the village.


We got to Gori with hardly a problem, just some jeeps with Georgians opened fire on us. A chopper came for the wounded and I decided to bug out on it.

All the spirit's gone out of the war, they've all gone limp. All told, I've had enough, I'm going back.

The chechens are staying put, never ever back down.

Until Moscow.
***

And that's all. The rest he'll tell himself.

Arkadii Babchenko. Added Wed. Aug 13 2008. 3:17 pm. Subject line:
I'm back.
How do I upload photos?


Chief-ed. Added Wed. Aug 13,2008. 3:52 pm. Subject line:

Arkadii Babchenko wrote: I'm back.
How do I upload photos?

first you upload them to a image host on the net (you don't have an account there, I know), and then you put the links here.

it's simplest for you to send them to me and I'll put them up.
or you can learn how to do it yourself.

Call me, I'll tell you how.


Egor-Losev. Added: Wed. Aug. 13, 2008. 6:48 pm. Subject line:

Arkadii Babchenko wrote: I'm back.
How do I upload photos?


Glad you're back safely!

Dave. Added: Thurs. Aug 14, 2008 8:50 am. Subject line:
Greetings.
I'm from Tbilisi, somehow I know who's right, who's wrong. I have a question: After the Russian units left Gori a lot of confusion started there. They say that either Chechens or Ossetians are making riot, taking cameras from journalists, raiding to the point that they're carrying off the toilets. Why did the Russian side let this slide? Why did they permit the outrage of ethnic bands or formations?
Thank you in advance for your response (if there is one):


Ikko. Added: Thurs. Aug. 14, 2008. 9:33 am. Subject line:
So what do *you* think?
Russia has no obligation to ensure the safety of Georgian citizens on Georgian territory. It wasn't Russia who started this war. The loser pays.


===========================================
End of postings.

Notes: Thanks to Multitrans' webpage for a few military and colloquial terms, and an excursion on Yandex (to verify that zvidets was a euphemism for pizdets). One or two places I'm not quite sure about, but you get the gist.

Outsider: Hey, we're right. The guy on the ground: Holy shit!

Oddly, it's not at all what I expected it to say. From the Western media--apart from one instance when tanks headed to Gori and were turned back--it looks like the Georgians are misfits and the Russians all powerful, and it was that way from the beginning.

Otherwise, the quick hack of a translation was a fun exercise.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 11:39 PM
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13. It sounds like the Georgians are giving them a tougher fight than the media is letting on
At least according to that guy.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 01:35 PM
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16. It's standard fare to control press accounts.
But it's still only Babchenko's account--no reason tfor him to lie, I don't think--concerning an assault on a Georgian village hat had been 'front-line' for a decade.
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tuckessee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 01:22 AM
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14. What struck me....
....was the way the tanks appeared to be totally destroyed. No one bailed outta those hulks. The pic of the turret that landed in the storefront after crashing through the upper floors was impressive.

....also that the Russians fight considerably lighter than Americans. Not armored up like ninja turtles and there was nary a helmet in sight. Low tech fighters on the ground level compared to the gadget crazy Americans. They're tough as nails and aren't afraid to die.

FYI the spray painted slogans on the Russian tanks say something and "Chechnya" and "west". .

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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 05:07 PM
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19. As per the soldiers in the pics
I recall hearing somewhere that the white band tied around the arm signifies Ossetian volunteers. I forgot where I heard it but think it was a broadcast from Russia Today.
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chatnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 02:13 AM
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15. Interesting the # of Chechen tanks in the photos
"Chechnya" written on the sides...
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 04:10 PM
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18. here's a much more compact version of the same photo material:
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