Reuters caught with 'fake' pictures from Georgia?

[kpete]

Reuters caught with 'fake' pictures from Georgia

Item seen in the Citizens For Legitimate Government newsletter:

Reuters caught with 'fake' pictures from Georgia --Media war against Russia 10 Aug 2008 This morning one can read on the BBC news site -- Reuters agency posts horrible pictures of Russian bombardments of allegedly civilian residential buildings. But what if you take a closer look?
http://russia-insider.livejournal.com/25329.html


Reuters caught with 'fake' pictures from Georgia --Media war against Russia 10 Aug 2008 This morning one can read on the BBC news site -- Reuters agency posts horrible pictures of Russian bombardments of allegedly civilian residential buildings. But what if you take a closer look?

See: A Georgian man cries next to his brother's body in the town of Gori, 80 km (50 miles) from Tbilisi, August 9, 2008. REUTERS/David Mdzinarishvili. Here he is again, alone still with some clothes on, or maybe he changed. The man in the checkered shirt keeps returning!

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Warning: the pictures contain scenes with blood and allegedly injured people.

For instance on this picture you can see one obviously dead body of a person in a checkered shirt. The other body is carried by medics, carried as if it was a dead body, but you can notice that the hand of a person is holding a woman medic's sleeve. Well so far everything looks pretty real, except maybe for one guy in black who doesn't look anyhow concerned.



Now on this picture we see a crying man and a body in his hands. But look closely! This is the same checkered shirt, same trousers and shoes, the same person. So does it mean that the crying man took the body brought it some place else? Hardly so, this is just one of the participants of the show. And again if you look close enough you can notice that the guy crying is the person in black from the previous picture.


http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures/slideshow?collectionId=2126&galleryName=All%20Collections#a=11



Now here he is again, alone still with some clothes on, or may be he got changed- here: http://russia-insider.livejournal.com/25329.html

http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20080809&t=2&i=5508259&w=&r=2008-08-09T135819Z_01_L7680404_RTRUKOP_0_PICTURE7

more at:
http://www.legitgov.org/
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/13/223439/515/891/567622

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August 12, 2008, 14:45
CNN blamed for using misleading war video
American broadcaster CNN has been accused of using the wrong pictures in their coverage of the conflict in South Ossetia. A Russian cameraman says footage of wrecked tanks and ruined buildings, which was purported to have been filmed in the town of Gori, in fact showed the South Ossetian capital Tskhinvali.
http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/28880

[Whoa_Nelly]

1. 2nd pic taken from different angle/direction?

:shrug:

[Mojorabbit]

10. Yes

you can see the same pink brick building in both. The yellow blanket is in both pics too. The two people carrying the injured person does not arouse any suspicion in me. I don't get what the question is re the pics.

[notadmblnd]

19. Well the guy standing there crying has different clothes on in the next pic

where he is cradling the body. did he discover the body, off and change; then come back after medical personnel arrived?

[muriel_volestrangler]

26. Different person

Different clothes, different face, different amount of stubble.

[seemslikeadream]

2. Thanks

[ddeclue]

3. How does this prove ANYTHING?

It looks like the guy in black recognized the dead guy in the checkered shirt and took off his own shirt for some reason (perhaps to stop the bleeding of the guy in the checkered shirt) and was photographed from a different angle with the checker shirt guy who is apparently dead.

Nothing obviously fake here...

[Catch22Dem]

4. Ooooo keeeeeey

Sees a dead brother, so he takes off his shirt, changes his pants, and then what?

[tridim]

8. The yellow blanket is all over the place too..

It has a rock on it at one point.

Wag that dog.

[EFerrari]

22. Not the same person. n/t

[Blue State Bandit]

11. Besides the pants, look at his left foot.

In the first photo, he is wearing brown boots.

In the second photo, with his foot tucked under his right leg, you can see shoelaces, white shoelaces. Now I'm no expert, but they look more like sneakers in the second pic.

Beyond this, I have to ask, did he realize that he recognize the dead guy, and figure he should change out of his good black Friday night clothes and put on something he didn't care about getting blood on? Did he go to his apartment building behind him to get changed? Oh oh, that building all blown up.

Now I haven't a clue where these pics are taken, but they do tell one thing. The sequence, no matter how you arrange it, defies believe ability. This is a stage act.

[Atman]

5. There are lots of thing "not right" with these photos

Let's say, for the sake of arguement, that the checkered shirt guy business is just because of a photo taken at a slightly different time at a different angle; could be the same pinkish building as in the first pic. Maybe. BUT...if you wish to believe this is a scene of a horrible explosion and that Mr. Checkered Shirt has been blown to his current face-down state, or felled by flying shrouds of concrete or debris, if you want to believe that, explain to me this: why are the man's clothes spotless? Not a burn mark or dirt smudge, no nothing. Like he walked here straight from a JC Penney catalog shoot. Looks pretty fishy to me.

Google is your friend. So is DU. There was a story posted this morning positing that a former senior McCain campaign guy had been a lobbyist for Georgia and a member of the neocon cabal who created the PNAC stuff. In this day of Bush "leadership," I won't dismiss anything, no matter how far fetched, without at least a little bit of research.

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[nc4bo]

6. I'm not sure about these but I've seen some old video from the

CNN coverage of the beginning of the Iraqi war that look "weird" and a few others thought so too. Not sure what to think about it.

I do know that once we go all digital in 2009, all bets are off. They'll probably be digitally mixing, matching and muxing audio and video to their hearts content and we won't be none the wiser for it.

[cliffordu]

7. Wag the dog......

[alcibiades_mystery]

9. The guy in black is NOT the same guy as in the last two pictures

Your source needs glasses. It doesn't even look like the same guy.

As far as the first "fake," only your source "presumes" that the guy being carried is dead ("carried as if it was a dead body"). But why would a nurse and a doctor carry around a dead body? Answer: they wouldn't. They are carrying a wounded man who is clutching on to the nurse for assistance. Problem solved. As far as the the supposed "lack of concern" on the face of the man in black (who is, it should be noted again, NOT the same guy in the last two pictures), that's just a stretch. It could be indifference, or shock, or just his general expression.

Your post is fucking stupid.

[TexasObserver]

14. Correct. Not the same guy as the one in black. What, did he change his PANTS?

The thing that is the same is the dead guy.

This is the same place, taken from two different perspectives. The second photo is taken from where the guy in the black clothes is standing, near there, and looking at us.

Notice the blanket across the body in the second photo. It is dirty and to the side in the first photo. This means the second photo was taken some time before the first. The body was rolled over for some reason, and at some point the blanket blew or was moved to the side.

A reasonable conclusion: the two photos were taken an hour or more apart, within 30 of each other, pointing opposite directions.

[SidDithers]

17. You're right. Different guys, stupid post...nt

Sid

[beyurslf]

12. I don't think the guy in black is the guy without the shirt on later.

And, if I had to carry someone with one other person and I knew the person being carried wouldn't be able to offer much or any help, I think that it is just how I would do it.

[MrMonk]

13. The man in black and the man in blue pants do not look the same person.

They look similar, but it's common to find people who look similar in a closely-knit town or village.

I also know that a photographer will try to get as many interesting pictures as he can without moving much, so I'm not surprised to see "checked shirt guy" in more than one shot.

[Renew Deal]

15. Sorry, I don't see it.

The pictures all look consistent. They're from different angles of different things. It looks like more propoganda from the Russians.

[tuckessee]

16. Pics look legit to me.

Awful goddamn heartbreaking too.

Whenever I see images like that I wonder why so many Americans are eager to make war on anybody and everybody and why we think those who create these scenes are heroes.

[SidDithers]

18. So, are all 77 pics here fake too?...

http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures/slideshow?collectionId=2126&galleryName=All%20Collections#a=1

Why don't you contact Gleb Garanich or David Mdzinarishvili, the photographers, to confirm your "suspicions".

Here's a pic of the the same guy taking off his shirt.


And another one in the series.


People are dying, and you're suggesting it's all fake? What a disgusting post.

Sid

ETA: second photographer name

[tuckessee]

21. Nothing wrong with the OP questioning their legitimacy.

Using fake or staged photographs as war propaganda to manipulate the public has been an issue for probably at least 100 years.

I was recently reading a late 1940 to early 1941 copy of True Magazine (pub. by Fawcett) that had a lengthy article in it about staged dramatic war photos.

The main jist of the article was questioning some famous photos from the Sino-Japanese War and Spanish Civil War and as background detailed a lot examples of fakery from WW1.

The extent of staging gut-wrenching propaganda photos was a lot deeper than even a jaded cynic such as myself thought. Often it's done with no real political agenda but because a photog hopes to make some money and earn a good rep.

It's actually our duty as free, democratic citizens to coldly evaluate all images & stories fed to us by the gov't and the Fourth Estate so we don't succumb to propaganda, manipulation and just plain hoaxes.

[Enrique]

23. also nothing wrong with us questioning the charges in the OP

imo, the charges of Reuters faking these photos is laughably bogus.

[SidDithers]

20. Is the BBC in on it too?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7550965.stm

Is this fake video? 'Cause the guy with the striped shirt and his crying relative are both in it. (Though he's "critically wounded" in the video)

And the BBC is pretty sure that they're in Gori.

Sid

[Enrique]

24. yes they are, look closely

you can see Big Ben in the background at 0:29 if you look really hard. :-)

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

40. The "Single Clock Theory."

:)

[Monk06]

25. Reuters needs a good continuity editor. First the checkered shirt guy is the cleanest corpse

I've ever seen. No dust on his clothes let alone
tears or bullet holes.

And bare chest boy is a very bad actor. And what
is he doing tweaking his dead brothers nipples?
Is that a Georgian expression of grief? What a pev.

[malaise]

27. DUers pointed this out the same day they were published n/t

[SidDithers]

28. They don't buy your story in the kos diary you've linked to either...nt

Sid

[Dover]

29. Weren't the majority of the injuries caused by the Georgian's initial attack?

Can't recall where I read that, but the spin goes on.

[nomaco-10]

30. The guy in black is NOT the same as the man in...

blue jeans. The blanket was removed from the first pic location to cover the dead body. His friend/family member removed it to cradle his loved one.

Sorry, don't see anything wrong here.

[SidDithers]

31. Still believe these are fake? Reuters picture package here...

there are about a dozen pics of this man and his brother (?).
http://www.pictures.reuters.com/c/C.aspx?VP=Mod_ViewBoxInsertion.ViewBoxInsertion_VPage&R=2C04082Q3VPOF&RP=Mod_ViewBox.ViewBoxThumb_VPage&CT=Album&SP=Album

Does the OP still believe these are fake?

Sid

[nomaco-10]

32. WOW. Your link just proved my theory....

of the sequence of events perfectly with these photos.

[SidDithers]

34. I agree...

I don't think there's anything "fake" in these pictures, but some posters see conspiracy around every corner.

Sid

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

33. If you go to the first link, the man crying over the dead person is fully clothed. Why does he take

his shirts off?

http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20080809&t=2&i=5508259&w=&r=2008-08-09T135819Z_01_L7680404_RTRUKOP_0_PICTURE7

[nomaco-10]

35. That is curious, but maybe this scene went on for...

quite a while. Maybe while waiting for medical aid to arrive, he removed his shirts and provided them for bandages. Perhaps civilians from the scene also provided the yellow blanket and were just doing what they could before help arrived.

[jayfish]

36. Who The Hell Knows.

This whole thread is a reach at best. kpete should ask that it be deleted. It's an embarrassment and a stain on her stellar reputation.

Jay

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

37. If you know enough of kpete, you should have also read all of the "wag the dog" threads

she's posted, that have been shown to be true. This might be another such case.

[jayfish]

38. That's Why I Said "Stellar Reputation".

This supposition, however, is a mistake.

Jay

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

42. Can you please enlighten to me as to why her supposition is a mistake?

[kpete]

39. actually, i agree

i am truly sorry i posted this.
kp

[jayfish]

41. Very Stand-Up Of You And I Expected No Less.

You are a jewel of the DU community. :toast:

Jay