Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Flight of the dead: Suburban families move loved ones from Detroit cemeteries

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:47 AM
Original message
Flight of the dead: Suburban families move loved ones from Detroit cemeteries
Source: Detroit News

Tuesday, August 12, 2008
Flight of the dead: Suburban families move loved ones from Detroit cemeteries
Charlie LeDuff / The Detroit News

CLINTON TOWNSHIP-- At precisely 8:57 a.m., under an overcast sky, Francesco and Francesca Imbrunone were re-laid to rest. A man in a dark suit stood over their remains proclaiming that they "await the resurrection."

If that promise holds true, then it would be, in a way, the Imbrunones' second resurrection. As it happens, the couple was buried nearly 50 years ago in Detroit's Mount Olivet Cemetery on the city's east side. Then their grandchildren decided to disinter them, move them to the leafier suburbs and bury them again this particular morning.

"He'd complain, 'Why did you spend the money?' " said Francesco's granddaughter, Gerry Seip. "My grandmother? She'd just cry."

By now the statistics are as well known in London as they are in Livonia. Detroit has lost half its population since its heyday of the 1950s, and every year the city hemorrhages an estimated 5,000 people more. First it was white flight to the suburbs; then with the city's continued spiral into poverty and violence, blacks began to flee to those same suburbs. And while census figures show that whites are returning to some of the nation's largest cities, Detroit is experiencing a flight of a different kind. As the Imbrunones' second funeral demonstrates, Detroit is experiencing the flight of the dead.

Read more: http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:04 AM
Response to Original message
1. These people have more money than sense.
This is ridiculous.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 11:15 AM
Response to Reply #1
7. Agreed. What a strange thing to worry about.
Perhaps they should go back to the ancestral homeland and move all of those graves too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #1
26. Total waste of money..
the elders probably would have preferred to remain where they were..

Just a "convenience" for the youngers, who now will have NO reason not to tend to those graves.. At least before, they could have said it was too far or too scary..

I'm sure they will be regular "visitors" :eyes:

Somehow I think the cemetery managers out near the suburbs are "scaring" up business for themselves :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sandyj999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:11 AM
Response to Original message
2. That is just stupid, but not surprising. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:27 AM
Response to Original message
3. isn't this taking white flight
a wee bit too far? Although I can't blame people if they fear visiting cemetaries on Detroit. I say this as one living in the city of St Louis, which appears to be following Detroit's example when comes to violence this summer.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #3
4. White flight happened years ago
Detroit is now losing middle class black people to the suburbs.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cal Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:45 AM
Response to Original message
5. Even the dead people are leaving
That's depressing x(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:48 AM
Response to Original message
6. Hope you're happy Kwame.
Edited on Tue Aug-12-08 11:36 AM by WriteDown
Sad and unbelievable.

edited for poor spelling.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cal Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #6
18. Kwame wasn't even born when the shit started going bad in Detroit
Edited on Tue Aug-12-08 01:45 PM by Cal Carpenter
:shrug:

Of course he sure as hell hasn't helped a whole lot...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #6
21. this goes way beyond Kwame
not to say he hasn't played a major role, but still...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mamameow Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 11:29 AM
Response to Original message
8. hmmm!
my grandparents are buried there. this article has given me some thoughts on them and my loyalty to them. i think joseph and mary margaret abbott would haunt me for spending the money. they lived on philip ave between verner and charlevoix. their house is gone, it survived the riots but not the neighborhood. i remember walking to their house as a child, no problems. kids would play outside even after dark, no problems. this really sad, sad for detroit, sad for the people who cannot move.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #8
9. I had a boyfriend who's mother grew up on Philip Ave.
I lived not TOO far from the Conner Projects
growing up.

:hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #9
11. My family is from that neighborhood too
My mother lived in the Conner projects in the 1950's (I think. I think they had moved out by the 1960's). She also lived on Wayburn, Nottingham, and Somerset with my grandparents. My great-grandfather lived on Balfour. My grandparents moved from Somerset, closer to 8 Mile and Schoenherr in the mid-70's and my great-grandfather died shortly after, but I have some memories of that neighborhood. Lots of aunts and uncles lived around that part of the east side as well. I grew up around State Fair and Gratiot.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #11
15. I'm a survivor of Finney High, 1977.
My mother still owns a house on Bishop Ave.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #15
20. My mom graduated from Finney in 1964
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #11
22. I had friends that lived on Bringard....
and one on Glenwood.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #11
31. Aren't those the Parkside projects?
at least they were in the early 70's..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mamameow Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #9
12. philip ave
where on philip? i remember the conners projects. i had a summer job near there, i just graduated from high school, st. ambrose. 1960. i am old, so i remember the area well. we had lived on philip in the forties, between verner and kercheval. we moved to beaconsfield on the corner of verner. this was in grosse pointe park. still went to ambrose. philip was still safe at this time.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. I don't know exactly where they lived...
and I don't recall what his mother's maiden name was....
HER father was killed in a robbery.

I grew up on Bishop.

My family had a business on Nottingham and East Warren.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mamameow Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #14
19. memories
do you remember hopalong cassidy and hudson's on woodward? my brother and i went to hudson's with my mom and met hoppy, he even picked me up. i think i was in kindergarten. not too familiar with neighborhoods in east warren ave. but did ride my bike to 7 mile and gratiot. think i was in third grade. loved that dime store with the round fish tank. can still remember the smell, fishy and fresh water!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #19
24. I don't remember Hopalong Cassidy...
but my Grandmother used to take me downtown to Hudson's
and to Crowley's.

I also remember being treated to dinner at "The Top of the Flame".

I worked at Hudson's downtown during "Downtown Detroit Days" sales....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mamameow Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #9
13. philip
oh and my mother did grow up on philip. she moved there when she was child.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 12:22 PM
Response to Original message
10. Both sets of grandparents are at Forest Lawn
Edited on Tue Aug-12-08 12:23 PM by Strawman
Just south of Mt. Olivet. There is alot of crime in that area. So I can understand how a person who wants to be able to feel safe visiting their deceased parent or spouse, particularly an older person, might not be comfortable there and might decide to spend the money to have their loved ones moved. Personally speaking, it's not something I'd be inclined to do with my grandparents, (as I see it, that is where they lived and chose to be buried) but if people want to do that with their money, that's their business and I don't judge it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #10
16. My paternal relatives are all buried at Grandlawn, which is safer
Grand River/Telegraph area. It's a beautiful place, though, with lots of trees and such.


FYI-the Warren/Conner projects are long-gone. There are still a few buildings left, but the Salvation Army is building a large vocational training program at that site (which is badly needed). The areas around Phillip, Somerset and Balfour streets range from good to bad. Bad around Mack, better as you go north.

On the west side, they are building something at the former site of the Herman Garden projects (Southfield and Joy RD), but I don't know what. I used to be afraid to go visit people in Herman Gardens, moreso than the old Jeffries projects. I never went there alone.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 01:45 PM
Response to Original message
17. Um, weird.
I would never think of doing something like that. And I wouldn't think that Detroit would be all that bad during the day if you visit the grave, especially on Saturdays or Sundays.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 02:59 PM
Response to Original message
23. ultimately what difference does it make? they're dead...
and what happens when/if the quality of life turns to shit in McComb? gonna move them again??
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #23
27. my parents are burried in norfolk va each in a seperate cemetary
she (my mom) remarried after his (my dad's) death and why she wanted to be burried next to her 'new' husband vs my father is still a mystery, since he (her 'new' husband) had a first wife with a plot paid for already for himself??? anyway..I now live in Detroit and would never think of moving my mother/father to be near me??? that would be insane to me...they chose their resting places who am I to decide otherwise, other than selfish motives?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #27
29. You don't want them to think you abandoned them, come the Resurrection, do you?
:sarcasm:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #29
30. yes of course I worry :sarcasm: smilie...I have read about where people used to live
here in Detroit..and to the dead...NOTHING has changed...it is as it ever was!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #30
32. Are you fully moved in?
How are you finding Detroit?

:hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #32
33. I absolutely LOVE Detroit...fully moved in ..not fully organized!
Edited on Tue Aug-12-08 04:41 PM by angstlessk
Michanganders have to be the BEST people on earth..they are friendlier than Virginians..truly!!! They love newcomers and I love them!..(I loved New England when I lived there, but I think Michigan is better!)

on edit: changed my city/state to Detroit, MI!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LeftinOH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 03:07 PM
Response to Original message
25. Piss-poor maintenance of some urban cemeteries is an incentive
for some people to move individual graves or entire family plots.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. the dead care if the lawn is cut??? I think not!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed Sep 03rd 2014, 02:51 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC