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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 11:58 AM
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03-Bush Was In Trouble-"Bring in some nuclear material from Soviet Union & pretend they are Iraqi"
Edited on Tue Aug-12-08 12:56 PM by kpete
Scott Ritter's Columns
Where Are the Weapons of Mass Destruction?

(Page 4)

Seated on a couch in the middle of the elaborately furnished villa was a small, thin woman in her late 30s with short blond hair who introduced herself as Carol. On the table before the couch were plates full of sweets and fruit slices, imported from Kuwait, which Carol invited Mohammed to taste. Stacey joined them, and soon she and Carol began questioning Mohammed. About five minutes into the session, the two women were joined by a third person, an Army lieutenant colonel who introduced himself as Dave. Dave was dressed in the same khaki trousers as Stacey and Carol, but sported a gray T-shirt emblazoned with the seal of the United States and the words U.S. Embassy Kuwait. A short, athletic-looking man with gray hair, Dave quickly took over the proceedings, with Carol and Stacey taking notes. For four hours Dave questioned Mohammed about various matters dealing with the Iraqis former work.

The final line of questioning focused on weapons of mass destruction George Bush is in trouble. Our people did not find any WMD in Iraq.-Can you help us?. Dave was on his feet, pacing before Mohammed, before turning to him and asking straight out, Where are the weapons of mass destruction? Mohammed, who had intimate knowledge of certain aspects of the Iraqi WMD effort, replied straight back:

There are no WMD in Iraq.

Dave continued pacing back and forth in front of Mohammed. My president, he said, is in trouble. Can you help him?

Mohammed was taken aback by the question. Excuse me? he asked. Could you repeat yourself?

Dave sat down next to the Iraqi. George Bush is in trouble. Our people did not find any WMD in Iraq. Can you help us?

Mohammed looked back at Dave. How?

Can we prepare something for that? We could bring in some nuclear material from the former Soviet Union, and pretend they are Iraqi.

Mohammed, stunned by the unexpected nature of the request, indicated that such a ploy could be easily uncovered by forensic examination of the evidence by outside experts, such as UNSCOM (the United Nations Special Commission) or the IAEA, who would undoubtedly be called in to verify such a finding. Dave sat in silence for a few moments, before springing to his feet. I have to leave for a meeting, he said. Stacey will show you out.


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In my extensive dealings with him, Mohammed has never lied to me or exaggerated about events he was personally involved in. His story establishes a pattern of behavior which shows how the Bush administration, especially when operating in the form of small, ideologically motivated teams functioning outside the norms and conventions of the mainstream, was able to consider (in Mohammeds case) manufacturing data and circumstances to bolster its false case for invading Iraq, and (per author Ron Suskind) actually manufacture such data and circumstances. I trust Mohammed. And so I am willing to believe Suskind and his sources about similar cases of fraud, this time in the form of the CIAs manufactured Mukhabarat document.

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Scott Ritter is a former Marine Corps intelligence specialist and was a chief weapons inspector for the United Nations in Iraq. He is the author of many books, including Iraq Confidential: The Untold Story of the Intelligence Conspiracy to Undermine the UN and Overthrow Saddam Hussein and Target Iran: The Truth About the White Houses Plans for Regime Change.

more at:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/page4/20080811_where_are...
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 12:07 PM
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1. Please Clarify Something For Me - If Impeachment Proceedings Are Initiated......
against Bush/Cheney does that take away Bush's power of pardon?
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 12:41 PM
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4. there are no limits on the power of pardon, right up until the last second of a presidency.
not all possibilities have been tested via the supreme court, but they have yet to limit the power of the pardon.

only a self-pardon would likely cause the supremos to blanch, but there's nothing in the constitution that explicitly prohibits even that, much as it galls.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 01:17 PM
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5. The only thing a president cannot pardon are impeachments themselves.
so say if Cheney is impeached & convicted, bush cannot reinstate him as VP him with a pardon.

If however, Cheney is impeached and then subsequently convicted of Treason or Espionage in a court of law, then bush can pardon that particular conviction.

Expect massive, blanket pardons at the very end of bush's term.

Expect the MSM to shrug.
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 01:47 PM
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6. So Are You Telling Me That If Impeachment Proceedings Are Initiated Against Bush And Cheney Before..
their term ends - that Bush still has the ability to pardon? How can that be? Shouldn't all rights be taken away from him until the impeachment either fails or succeeds? Bush can pardon Cheney even if he himself is under suspicion of high crimes and misdemeanors? That doesn't sound right.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 02:08 PM
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7. there's right and then there's legal. the framers were not perfect
or more precisely, there are problems with just about any approach. all powers are subject to abuse.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 02:23 PM
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8. right, the pardon is for "offenses against the united states, except in cases of impeachment"
Edited on Tue Aug-12-08 02:23 PM by unblock
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 12:22 PM
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2. Who is this Army Lt Colonel Dave?
Edited on Tue Aug-12-08 12:22 PM by LiberalFighter
Who gave him his directives?
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 12:23 PM
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3. What might be Russia's response to this information?
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 05:27 PM
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9. SO...
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 05:32 PM
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10. I wonder if the area of the "former Soviet Union" was Georgia?
Edited on Tue Aug-12-08 05:33 PM by Marr
They've been heavily on board for Iraq. They've been well compensated, of course.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 12:05 AM
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11. Problem is, they talked about it but DIDN'T DO IT. You can't prosecute for talking about things.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 01:48 PM
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15. If they were planning it, then conspiracy charges should apply
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 05:07 AM
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12. Scott who?
The guy who's not allowed on Olbermann, Rhodes, Hartmann or any airwaves? Except once a year?

Oh yeah, I remember now.
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 05:07 AM
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13. Scott who?
The guy who's not allowed on Olbermann, Rhodes, Hartmann or any airwaves? Except once a year?

Oh yeah, I remember now.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 05:26 AM
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14. I knew Bushco would try to fake WMD evidence. I just wasn't sure how.
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