Want a real eye-opener on the Georgia mess?

[shraby]

Google Ajerbaijan Chamber of Commerce then click on "Leadership" in the left sidebar. Check out who is on it and then scroll down even further and look who is a past member...none other than Chaney.
It's all about the Caspian Sea oil.

[Maine-ah]

1. dayam.

k&r

[AuntPatsy]

2. Good catch...K&R

[fascisthunter]

3. another self-fullfilling prophecy by the same neo-cons

who sold the Iraq invasion.

Check it out DUers:

HONORARY COUNCIL OF ADVISORS



James
Baker III


Zbigniew
Brzezinski


Henry
Kissinger


Brent
Scowcroft



John
Sununu

CO-CHAIRMEN OF THE BOARD

James A. Baker, IV
Partner, Baker Botts, L.L.P.

Reza Vaziri
President, R.V. Investment Group



BOARD OF DIRECTORS

Shapoor Ansari, MD

Halim Atesh
General Manager, Azercell Telecom

Farhad Azima
Chairman & CEO, Aviation Leasing Group

Scott Blacklin
Vice President, Cisco Systems

Betty Blair
Editor, Azerbaijan International

Jahangir Hajiyev
Chairman, International Bank of Azerbaijan

Charles Koontz
Senior Vice President, SAIC

Robert Livingston
President, Livingston Group

Albert Marchetti
Vice President, Hess Corporation

Greg Saunders
Director, International Affairs, BP

Diana Sedney
Manager, International Government Relations for Chevron

Michael White
Azerbaijan Country Manager, ExxonMobil International Limited

Gregory K. Williams
Strategic Security Manager, Coca Cola



FORMER MEMBERS OF THE ADVISORY COUNCIL AND THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS

The following individuals of high distinction have previously served on the Advisory Council and the Board of Directors:

Dick Cheney
Vice President of the United States of America

Richard Armitage
Deputy Secretary of State



BOARD OF TRUSTEES

Ilham Aliyev
President of Azerbaijan.

Abdullah Akyuz
President, TUSIAD-US Inc.

Graham Allison
Director, Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs
Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University

Sam Brownback (R-KS)
US Senator

Frank Henke
Chairman, American Bank & Trust Company

Richard Moncrief
Chairman, Moncrief Oil International

Hafiz Pashayev
Deputy Minister, Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Azerbaijan

Richard Perle
American Enterprize Institute, former Assistant Secretary of Defense

Frank Verrastro
Director and Senior Fellow in the CSIS Energy Program



OFFICERS

Mahir Iskender - USACC
Executive Director

Legal Counsel
Baker Botts, L.L.P.

[crimsonblue]

48. WOO HOO

My state's got representation in the Middle East! :sarcasm:

[peacetalksforall]

56. It's interesting to see Armitage's name so close to Cheney. He who claims

to have leaked Plame's name next to the leaker. I don't think you see their names that close on a list often.

[The Backlash Cometh]

63. WTF!

And we pay at the pumps and with our children's blood.

[solara]

4. Kickety!

Geez the neo-cons have no shame.. none.. no conscience, no shame.. sociopaths all of them...


:kick:



INVESTIGATE IMPEACH INDICT INCARCERATE :patriot:

[Taverner]

5. This is about Russia selling oil to China

Right now they have no pipeline in place - and we are in places strategically blocking them from doing so.

[crikkett]

15. Does 'we' include US and Georgia?

I don't want to get this wrong.

[Taverner]

21. Kinda

Georgia was on the US side of things

They need that solid line (that travels through, among other places, South Ossetia) from Russia-friendly countries to China.

This is why Iraq and Afghanistan were important to the Neocons.

[dixiegrrrrl]

42. This has good who's who in the Georgia/Russia fray

and article, from 2006...excellent explanation of the real issue.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20060726&articleId=2824


Azerbaijan and Georgia are USA allies, Russia and Syria are united, god knows where Jordan is now.

[mod mom]

85. Question: Is that little white piece of land between Armenia & Iran also Azerbaijan?

[SidneyCarton]

94. Yes, it is called Naxchivan.

During the Soviet period, It was created as a part of Azerbaijan, separated from the rest of the Azerbaijani SSR in order to destabilize both Armenia and Azerbaijan. There is also a Armenian majority area within Azerbaijan called Nagorno-Karabakh, that was removed from Armenia and given to Azerbaijan. Both regions were made "autonomous" under the Soviets, part of the Soviet Nationalities policy, which gave every minority ethnic territory, thereby making it so no functional nation states could be carved from the USSR, making the Communist Party the indispensable power broker in all situations. (In theory at least, the situation since 1989 has pointed out key flaws in that argument.)

[mod mom]

95. Thanks-very informative!

:hi:

[PugNot]

53. This is a "War For Oil" Started by War Criminal Putin

And so I will reserve my disgust for him...

[leveymg]

79. This thing goes back to 1922 when Standard Oil moved in on Nobel's oil holdings in Baku

Gain a little perspective, here:

NOBEL BAKU SHARES INTACT; Chief Owner Says None Has Been Sold to ...Dr. Emanuel Nobel, chief owner of the Nobel oil fields at Baku, said today that not a single share has been sold to the Standard Oil or any other company. ...
query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F70715F93D5F10738DDDAC0994DD405B828EF1D3 - 2k - Cached - Similar pages

[nadinbrzezinski]

96. It goes further back than that!

and it involves quite a bit of ethnic conflicts as well

Oil is just one ingredient in the whole mess

[leveymg]

104. I stand corrected, Nadine. Did you ever read a biographry of Sir Richard Burton (not the actor)?

The Great Game never ended, and its still played with the same cunning and ruthlessness it was during the Victorian age.

There are several good Burton biographies. I like Rice's, in particular. Read "The Great Game", along with it. Great book.

[mediaman007]

6. Its the PNAC All Stars!

Pretty select group!

I'll bet that they are shitting their pants over Russia's advance into Georgia. Its one thing to send your military to Granada, Afghanistan or Iraq. But the Russians might be a little more formidable.

[susu369]

18. Don't leave out PNACer and current UN Ambassador Khalilzad

- he's currently behaving very undiplomatically -

UNITED NATIONS (AP) — U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad exchanged sharp words with the Russian ambassador on Sunday, accusing Moscow of seeking "regime change" in Georgia and resisting attempts to make peace after days of fighting have left hundreds of civilians dead.

Khalilzad disclosed during a U.N. Security Council session that Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov had told U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Sunday morning "that a democratically elected president of Georgia — and I quote — must go."

Khalilzad turned to Russian Ambassador Vitaly Churkin repeating the exchange and saying, "This is totally unacceptable and crosses the line." He then asked whether the country was attempting to overthrow Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili.

"Is your government's objective regime change in Georgia, the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Georgia?" he said.

Churkin confirmed there had been a "confidential phone call" between Lavrov and Rice, but did not directly answer Khalilzad.

"I'd like to say straightaway that regime change is an American expression," Churkin said. "We do not use such an expression. But sometimes there are occasions, and we know from history, that there are different leaders who come to power, either democratically or semi-democratically, and they become an obstacle."

Full story:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iBD9o9yltJudFJsNjqJ8_cozhXhgD92FNC000

But not to worry - Condoleezza's expertise is centered in Russia, right?
:sarcasm:

[Monk06]

50. It's nice to see Vitaly Churkin polishing his boots on Khalilzad's testicles.

[CottonBear]

77. I don't think we want to engage with Russian conventional forces on their home turf.

:scared:

BTW, we invaded Grenada, West Indies. Granada is a city in Spain. It's easy to mix the two up. :) (I've got a very close Grenadian friend, so I'm familiar with the spelling.)

I used to spell it Granada too. In fact, I'd never even heard of the country until I woke up and heard the name mentioned on the radio news report the morning after the invasion.
:eyes:

[graywarrior]

7. Sununu?????

Watch for election fraud in NH.

[Altean Wanderer]

58. Yes, must defeat Sununu = Bush clone n/t

[greenman3610]

8. now, Azerbaijan is a separate country from Georgia, right, ?

I mean, correct my geography if I'm wrong, and I'm sure you are
on to something here, but can we find the same kind of
influence specific to Georgia?

[shraby]

12. I believe we control the oil under the southern part

of the Caspian Sea where the biggest pool and the best oil is...they have to pipe it across countries to be able to ship it out. It's either go east through those countries or directly south through Iran..that's why the drums are beating for Iran. East it has to cross several countries, south it has to just go through Iran. You figure it out.......

[malaise]

22. Check out the law company Georgian President Saakashvili worked for

in New York. St Rudy of 9/11 and Mucassey also worked there.
I'm betting Rudy is making some money there.

[amandabeech]

83. Yes, Azerbaijan is a separate country on the Caspian Sea.

Georgia has beachfront property on the Black Sea.

The pipelines in question start in Azerbaijan and terminate either to the West at the Black Sea in Georgia, or turn south through Turkey ending at the Turkish Mediterranean port of Ceyhan. The latter is the "BTC" pipeline, which I believe also has a gas pipeline along side. Both pipelines pass south of S. Ossetia, but not by a whole lot.

The BTC is not carrying oil at the minute because the PKK, an alleged Marxist Kurdish group mostly in Turkey, blew up a pumping station on the pipeline in Turkey last week just before the fighting started.

The two pipelines are the only ones now operable that can bring Caspian or Central Asian oil to the West without first transiting Russia, which is why they are so valuable to Western consumers to help avoid having their gas and oil chains jerked by the Russians.

[ourbluenation]

9. Look at these names!

HONORARY COUNCIL OF ADVISORS
'
James
Baker III

Zbigniew
Brzezinski

Henry
Kissinger

Brent
Scowcroft

John
Sununu

CO-CHAIRMEN OF THE BOARD

James A. Baker, IV
Partner, Baker Botts, L.L.P.

Reza Vaziri
President, R.V. Investment Group


BOARD OF DIRECTORS

Shapoor Ansari, MD

Halim Atesh
General Manager, Azercell Telecom

Farhad Azima
Chairman & CEO, Aviation Leasing Group

Scott Blacklin
Vice President, Cisco Systems

Betty Blair
Editor, Azerbaijan International

Jahangir Hajiyev
Chairman, International Bank of Azerbaijan

Charles Koontz
Senior Vice President, SAIC

Robert Livingston
President, Livingston Group

Albert Marchetti
Vice President, Hess Corporation

Greg Saunders
Director, International Affairs, BP

Diana Sedney
Manager, International Government Relations for Chevron

Michael White
Azerbaijan Country Manager, ExxonMobil International Limited

Gregory K. Williams
Strategic Security Manager, Coca Cola


FORMER MEMBERS OF THE ADVISORY COUNCIL AND THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS

The following individuals of high distinction have previously served on the Advisory Council and the Board of Directors:

Dick Cheney
Vice President of the United States of America

Richard Armitage
Deputy Secretary of State



BOARD OF TRUSTEES

Ilham Aliyev
President of Azerbaijan.

Abdullah Akyuz
President, TUSIAD-US Inc.

Graham Allison
Director, Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs
Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University

Sam Brownback (R-KS)
US Senator

Frank Henke
Chairman, American Bank & Trust Company

Richard Moncrief
Chairman, Moncrief Oil International

Hafiz Pashayev
Deputy Minister, Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Azerbaijan

Richard Perle
American Enterprize Institute, former Assistant Secretary of Defense

Frank Verrastro
Director and Senior Fellow in the CSIS Energy Program



OFFICERS

Mahir Iskender - USACC
Executive Director

Legal Counsel
Baker Botts, L.L.P.

[NNN0LHI]

33. This is why I don't trust Zbigniew Brzezinski

You can tell a lot about someone by the company they keep.

Don

[snappyturtle]

10. Look who is on the current Honorary Council of Advisors:

James Baker, Z. Brzezinski, H. Kissinger, B. Scowcroft and John Sununu!

Direct link:http://www.usacc.org/content.php?type=page&id=2&chi=5&par=3

[nc4bo]

14. Wasn't that Kissinger sitting near shrub at the olympics?? nt

[snappyturtle]

19. I didn't see him but I wouldn't doubt it. nt

[babylonsister]

20. Yes it was; someone posted a pic of 3 war criminals. Add * Sr. nt

[malaise]

23. Yes n/t

[Wednesdays]

35. Several times, yes he was.

I sense something's up.

[nc4bo]

38. I think there's a photo w/shrub up in Kissinger's face too. sumtin fishy went on there.

let me see if i can find it.

[bushmeister0]

36. Yes he was, looking like the cat that ate the small country in the Caucasus.

We were over all this yesterday:



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3774186&mesg_id=3774186

Check out Randy Scheunemann, McLame's top Foreign Policy guru.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=printer_friendly&forum=102&topic_id=3403983

[nc4bo]

37. Excuse me while I put on my good old tinfoil hat..

so Bushie and Kissie are having a wonderful meeting in China and Dickie's holding down the fort, making phone calls and press releases back at home.

hmmmm...........

Any other high profiler at the Olympics?

[nc4bo]

39. Bush, Kissinger, Bill Gates was there, who else? nt

[bushmeister0]

40. Well, Putin, of course. It's business, not personal. He's playing his part.

[nc4bo]

41. Yea.

Bushie and Sourpuss makes me think they really were up to something - hide in plain site I guess.

I despise them all.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

44. Bush, Putin and Kissinger were sitting in a bar...

Here's what a friend just suggested: Bush, Putin and Kissinger worked out a deal in which Georgia and the Ukraine are "given" to Russia, assuring non-intervention by Russia for when the US/Israel attack Iran.

How's that for tin foil? Sadly, after nearly 8 miserable years of these greedy, corrupt, immoral MFers, I'm crazy enough to think it makes sense.

[Hydra]

92. Tit for tat

The main reason Putin is angry with us for invading various countries is that he's not getting a cut of the action. Given that fact, the logical course is to allow him a few similar things in return. Everybody's happy...except the people getting their asses bombed.

[FogerRox]

100. There are 3 routes for oil out of the Caspian Sea

Georgia, Russia, Iran.

The US/BP pipeline is in Georgia.

[Hydra]

101. Interesting

So this is Putin sending us a message?

"I'll put this as politely as I can- I WILL fuck you up!"

Well, I supposed the line in the sand had to come sometime.

[FogerRox]

105. YEs, something like that

"I can take a million barrels off line just like that.....especially in my own backyard". And you are right about the line in the sand, from one oil man to another..... Dont forget that Russia is the worlds largest producer of crude oil & nat gas. The BP pipeline that is shut down was built with about 2 billion US dollars, during the CLinton Admin, I'm sure Russia didnt like it then, and they have waited to be in a position to do something about it until now.

[HeeBGBz]

106. Yeah, I saw him at some point. Saw Putie too

Chitty chattin with W at the Olympic hoop-de-doo.

It's all about the oil.

[gateley]

11. It's always about oil. Always. Olbermann/Maddow Alert! nt

[bdamomma]

112. and more innocent people getting killed for it.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

13. I'd laugh if that heartless SOB was facing prosecution.

Well, I laughed, anyway.

The extremes pursued by the neocons (AND ALLOWED BY "OUR" DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM) is beyond fiction.

If any should be concerned about the future, it should be us because WE HAVE APPEASED the worst political criminal lot of crooks in recent memory. They are feeling "the power".

[magellan]

16. Jeez, all the usual suspects

knr

[Rhiannon12866]

17. The mess in Georgia is just about politics. I've spent time there and I know.

It's the same as it was in Iraq. You are absolutely right...:-(

[roamer65]

24. The Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline should be under Russian control soon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan_pipeline

[WorseBeforeBetter]

45. So Russia gets the pipeline...

and we (we/Israel) get to attack Iran without Russian retaliation?

[paparush]

66. Ugh. Gads, I hope you are wrong.

//not holding breath

////looking into backyard fallout shelters

[arcadian]

25. This was floating around on here a few years back.

n/t

[shraby]

27. Yes it was and I noted then there would probably

be trouble. It was when Sybil Edmonds was making her noise so I googled countries that might speak the language she was proficient in and Ajerbaijan came into view and all that oil under the Caspian. All the major oil companies were wheeling and dealing there at the time through the Ajerbaijan Chamber of Commerce that's located in the United States.

[arcadian]

28. definitely a good find.

:thumbsup:

[IsItJustMe]

26. To bad most Americans will never know that. Our msm has their work cut out for them.

[scarletwoman]

29. "Our msm" doesn't have to do a thing -- which is what they're expert at, anyway.

NOT informing the U.S. public is their number one job, and they're damn good at it.

I don't imagine that even .001 percent of the U.S. public has even the foggiest notion about what's really going on. And "our msm" will see to it that it stays that way.

sw

[IsItJustMe]

30. Not true. Our msm is good at propaganda, and before you know it, there will be country and western

songs about the people of Georgia. The propaganda war is on. Take a look at this article.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20080811/wl_mcclatchy/3015456

[scarletwoman]

31. Apparently all that weaponry Georgia got from Israel hasn't been as helpful as they hoped.

Well, this is nothing if not fascinating -- who knew that having global crime syndicates running things would turn out so badly?

[TroubleMan]

32. Here's the equivalent one for Georgia

http://www.amcham.ge/

and their board of directors:
http://www.amcham.ge/board_of_directors.htm

Nobody looks familiar to me, but I haven't dug into it.

Also, here's a good link for any of those countries:
http://www.oecd.org/pages/0,3417,en_33816563_33816805_1_1_1_1_1,00.html

[dgauss]

34. How Dick Cheney Got His Cold War On

This is from about two years ago and points a spotlight in the general direction of the Grand Swindler himself.

I don't claim to know much about this subject but this article seems like a good place to start. And if you make it to page 6, it starts to sound like an old, familiar story.

http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=8152&IBLOCK_ID=35&PAGE=1

[countmyvote4real]

46. The link is a good snapshot from one POV at the time. And still very informative.

Check it out.

[nikto]

43. JOHN MCCAIN THINKS THE WAR IS IN...

Atlanta, Georgia!!

I'll bet he's worried about the peach trees.
:)

[Qutzupalotl]

87. Kremlin went down to Georgia

he was looking for some oil to steal


that's all i got

[crimsonblue]

47. McCain admitted as much during his Wiki-speech

[PatSeg]

49. My head is about to explode

It gets more and more confusing all the time. I need cliff notes.

[Connonym]

51. After hearing the news reports about American soldiers being killed there

I can't say that I'm at all shocked. I never new my sense of outrage could so constantly be expanded.

[santamargarita]

52. A who's who of War Criminals!

`

[JustAnotherGen]

54. Thank you!

k/r

[peacetalksforall]

55. Azerbaijan is PNAC. .........I wonder if they meet at Perkins in Baku or if they

have there own building. Perhaps they hold meetings in Dubai. Or ... perhaps they bought a palace.

[jazzjunkysue]

57. But these people would NEVER rig a US election to remain in power, would they?

That couldn't happen HERE! THis is the United States of America.

"This land is your land, this land is my land"...wait....

I never knew, when I was singing this in school, that we were singing about any land with oil under it or a pipeline over it...

Anywhere in the world...

[moodforaday]

59. Showed it to my wife

and she said, it's more like a chamber of horrors. Great find. Interesting also to see a mix of the old guard (Brzezinski, Scowcroft, Baker) and neocons (Perle, Armitage). What a mess!

[jwirr]

70. The old guard has always been focused on control of the oil since

Truman. They never even thought about breaking our dependence on oil merely increasing it. It is not surprising that they are not thinking change.

[Joe Chi Minh]

60. Even some of our MSM TV correspondents in the UK sometimes show a trace of shame

at the absurd tack our propaganda leads them to say.

On of them them intoned that as along as Russia didn't invade Georgia, itself, they would keep the moral high ground. Then he checked himself somewhat by adding, "Well,... in a situation like this, the concept of a moral high ground would be somewhat questionable." Words much to that effect, though it's probably not verbatim.

[Phred42]

61. Jeeezuz! - Excellent Catch

[Turbineguy]

62. Now these clowns will have to justify

their actions getting Georgia to walk into the Bear Trap.

Georgia has problem. Consults with American Neo-cons. Goes after "Seperatists". Gets ass kicked by Russians who by some strange coincidence are ready and waiting.

With people like we have in charge of the US, the Russians can do what they want when ever they want. Felix Dzerzhinsky had a much bigger challenge.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

86. Hmm. Why does the name "Ambassador Glaspie" come to mind all of a sudden?

"The United States has no interest in the Georgia-Russia border dispute... "

[L0oniX]

64. Yea I am sure that will make it to tv network news and Sunday morning talking head shows.

:evilfrown:

[RedLetterRev]

65. Not f'r nothin', but Blackwater have had a large covert presence in

Azerbaijan since the start of the Iraq invasion. This is part of a series that was on Democracy Now starting last year and has continued to the present. Blackwater have been involved in black ops and "protection" in Azerbaijan, have been increasing in numbers and have been doing so beneath the notice of M$M and most of the blogosphere. Democracy Now and Free Speech TV are about the only outlets that have offered much coverage at all or much air time to Scahill. (There is one good reason to ditch cable and get satellite -- Dish, not Direct. Direct is Murdoch and doesn't offer liberal/Progressive channels like Link and Free Speech.)

I don't know how many of you have been following Jeremy Scahill who has been documenting Blackwater and its atrocities worldwide, but he has also documented many of its activities in the "Great Game" region. Russia's show of force was very, very likely as much a notice directly to Cheney and Blackwater as it was to anyone else in the world. I have a funny feeling that Cheney's private army doesn't feel quite as big as it did about a week and a half ago. The rest of the game will be very interesting. With investigations ever-so-slowly reaching toward Cheney over here and Russia putting his private militia in check over there, the corner in which he can hide is getting quite a bit smaller. That leaves me with the sinking feeling that he and his PNAC buddies might get desperate to hang on and pull something stooput. Fourth quarter and the clock's running...

[jwirr]

72. We no longer have an armed forces that is meant to protect the US

and the citizens. Today most of the wars we fight are for corporations who are exploiting small countries. These mercenaries are unfortunately paid for by our tax dollars and often supplemented by our standing army. This is wrong. If Hellichaney wants to have pipelines in those countries they should have to take the consequences that go along with it. We truly need to free ourselves from dependence on oil. Until we do we are always going to have this kind of backroom wars defending everything BUT the American people.

[Caliman73]

97. I am shocked!!

That you think that the American military was EVER meant to protect the citizens. Perhaps during the Revolution. I think that the individual soldiers believe that they are fighting for us in some abstract way. Mostly, I think that our soldiers fight for individual objectives as part of a larger strategy cooked up by their superiors. They fight to keep their buddies and themselves alive. I am pretty sure the average foot soldier is not thinking about fighting for "freedom" or "oil". They are most likely just fighting to stay alive to come home to their family.

I believe that in WWI and WWII they actually did fight to protect us from further aggression, but in many conflicts before the 2 and in all of them since, the military has been USED to project the financial interests of the nation. We have been in countries secretly and overtly to keep "friendlies" in power since the 1920's. Google "banana republics" (not the clothing store). Hell the Mexican-American War (1857) was about conquering and securing land and resources.

I agree that all of us are going to have to do something to end our dependence on oil. That is the greatest challenge facing us today.

[jwirr]

107. Actually since I am old enough to remember WWII I was saying

what you just said. And I was mostly talking about the blackwater type soldiers not our standing army. They are merely being used.

[Caliman73]

109. mercenaries

Yep. They are gaining popularity because they are not bound by the military code, the Geneva conventions. Seems that mercs fit in well with the current administration. They are into privitizatoin and avoiding the rules of law abinding societies. The problem is not the military itself, but how the commander in chief chooses to exploit them. At one point in our history there was a reverence for people who chose to serve the country in that way. Now soldiers are just pawns and the ends always justify the means.

[Piewhacket]

67. Yikes... ITS A REPUBLICAN CABAL .

Just when you thought it might, some day,
be safe for our children to go back to playing in the water....

Dun Dun.... Dun Dun.... Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun.... yaaaahhhhhhhhh!

___
"Freedom is never an achieved state; like electricity,
we've got to keep generating it or the lights go out."
- Wayne LaPierre

[cosmicdot]

68. the Council on Foreign Relations think-tanked the Caspian Sea

Oil Basin geopolitics in the late 90s ... what data is remaining of CFR's Caspian Sea Library, online, is found via the wayback machine OKA the Internet archives ... this has been posted several times here at DU and elsewhere ... articles, maps, charts, etc.

http://web.archive.org/web/20040629202826/www.treemedia.com/cfr/library/library.html

Toss the CFR research and data with a little PNAC salad 'oil' dressing; install Big Oil's flim-flam team in the White House by any means possible; create a Pearl Harbor, instill fear, and initiate pre-emptive war propaganda, etc etc etc. The military-security-industrial complex benefits, too.

"For America, the chief geopolitical prize is Eurasia." - Zbigniew Brzezinski, USACC Advisor - who's he working for these days?

http://web.archive.org/web/20040927113021/www.treemedia.com/cfr/library/geopolitics/brzezinski.html

keep spreading the word ... of all the Chamber of Commerces in the world, what an odd place for Kissinger, Baker, Cheney, et al, to hook-up ... Azerbaijan by the Caspian Sea ... the link to the US Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce
http://www.usacc.org/content.php?type=page&id=2χ=5&par=3
has been posted numerous occasions over the last many years ...


Alternative approaches to US energy requirements needs to replace Big Oil profits-as-foreign-policy.


edited to add this address from the USACC link:

The U.S. - Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce (USACC) is located at:

1212 Potomac Street, N.W. DC 20007
http://www.zillow.com/HomeDetails.htm?zprop=422929
according to Zillow.com
2 beds, 2.0 baths, 970 sq ft

a bit small for a headquarters??

hmmmm


2008 Property Tax:
$22,574

[Iodine99]

69. AJERBAIJAN

Where did the PIPELINE that we paid $2 BILLION for start and
end?
Remember the book that the two Frenchmen wrote, saying that
the U S told the Taliban that we could either cover them in
money or cover them in bombs?

[TK421]

71. Brownback on the board of trustees? Now that's fucking hilarious!

:D thanks for posting this!

[iamthebandfanman]

73. Ive found evidence of Blackwater in Georgia

but im still varifying all my leads...
ill definitely be posting on DU when i hear back from a few people ive contaced.

pretty sure ive found video of Americans in georgian uniforms and evidence that those americans are or were employed by blackwater.

[mamameow]

74. interesting

you misspelled ajerbaijan, should be azerbaijan. more telling is what you did not mention. please see all current members. another interesting point, they are all repubics. iraq war monger richard pearle is also listed.

[PassingFair]

75. Chambers of Horrors.

I DESPISE Chambers of Commerce.

Sometimes good people don't even
know what an horrific organization
they belong to.

They spend GOBS of money influencing
legislation against the good of the
common man.

[Javaman]

76. No Duh. It's always been about oil.

when the soviets collapsed and Georgia broke away, I knew that one day this was going to happen.

first russia when after Chechnya, now after Georgia.

both regions are rich in oil and minerals.

It was really just a matter of time.

[mod mom]

82. and it's not just repukes-it's the bi-partisan MONEY Party as demonstrated here w Clinton:

SELLING OUT AN INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION THAT MONITORS ELECTIONS FOR THE ALMIGHTY $:


After Mining Deal, Financier Donated to Clinton



By JO BECKER and DON VAN NATTA Jr.
Published: January 31, 2008
Late on Sept. 6, 2005, a private plane carrying the Canadian mining financier Frank Giustra touched down in Almaty, a ruggedly picturesque city in southeast Kazakhstan. Several hundred miles to the west a fortune awaited: highly coveted deposits of uranium that could fuel nuclear reactors around the world. And Mr. Giustra was in hot pursuit of an exclusive deal to tap them.

Unlike more established competitors, Mr. Giustra was a newcomer to uranium mining in Kazakhstan, a former Soviet republic. But what his fledgling company lacked in experience, it made up for in connections. Accompanying Mr. Giustra on his luxuriously appointed MD-87 jet that day was a former president of the United States, Bill Clinton.

-snip



"Kazakhstan’s president, Nursultan A. Nazarbayev, whose 19-year stranglehold on the country has all but quashed political dissent."

"Mr. Nazarbayev walked away from the table with a propaganda coup, after Mr. Clinton expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader’s bid to head an international organization that monitors elections and supports democracy."

-snip
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html

[valerief]

84. More simply put, it's the ruling class. nt

[SemperEadem]

78. Kissinger, Sununu, Baker, Armitage, Cheney

just like mushrooms... they pop up wherever there is rot.

[agent46]

80. yyyup. n/t

[annabanana]

81. Jeez. . It's really old home week over there isn't it? Are ANY of the

"usual suspects" missing?

[Rhiannon12866]

88. K&R. I've been to Georgia and I know that they have had all kinds of problems, over the years.

Including the guy who threw a grenade at Bush*... But haven't we caused enough problems in the Middle East, over oil?! Georgia is actually an Arab country, and is an Al_Quaida stronghold now, as is Iraq, thanks to us... It does break my heart, since the Georgians are very decent and peace-loving people. They don't deserve this, but thanks for your post...:-(

[Speciesamused]

89. Can it get any more in your face?

It is all about control.

[populistdriven]

90. They have so much oil in Azerbaijan they take baths in it

A bathtub of crude in Azerbaijan - while it lasts

http://www.dogwoof.com/crudeawakening/media/A%20bathtub%20of%20crude%20in%20Azerbaijan%20-%20while%20it%20lasts.jpg

[intheflow]

91. Absolutely the first thing I thought of when I heard this.

I'm sure it was orchestrated to influence domestic gas prices one way or another. :grr:

[FogerRox]

102. No, Russia gets US/BP pipeline shut down

Leaving the 2 remaining routes untouched. There are 3 routes for oil coming out of the Caspian Sea,

1)Georgia
2)Russia
3)Iran,

....the Russians control 2 of 3, the 3rd is shutdown..... Do you own any Gazprom ?

[Blue_In_AK]

93. One of my daughter's school mates,

with whom she shared several AP classes, was working as a journalist in Georgia and was just recently wounded in a shoot-out in which two of his companions were killed. It's a very serious situation over there.

http://www.adn.com/front/story/491032.html

A 22-year-old Alaskan, caught in the deadly crossfire between Russia and Georgia over the weekend, is apparently alive and being treated in a Russian hospital.

Winston Featherly-Bean, a 2004 graduate of West High School, was among four journalists shot by combatants in a separatist enclave of northern Georgia on Sunday, according to reports by Russian news agencies. Two of the journalists were killed.

Featherly-Bean, editor of a small English-language newspaper in the Georgian capital of Tbilisi, was shot in the leg while riding in a vehicle with three other reporters in the strife-torn region of South Ossetia — where Georgians, invading Russians and local Georgian separatists (loyal to Russia) have been engaged in battle since Friday.

Featherly-Bean was taken first to a field hospital in the provincial capital of Tskhinvali, then transferred by Russian medics to a larger hospital in Vladikavkaz in southern Russia.

His parents, Walter Featherly in Anchorage and Christine Bean in Girdwood, spent Sunday desperately trying to contact their son and determine his whereabouts after hearing Internet reports of the shooting. On Monday, the U.S. State Department — relaying information from the U.S. Embassy in Moscow — told Featherly that his son was currently a patient in the Vladikavkaz hospital and his condition was “satisfactory.” Efforts to phone the hospital and talk to doctors there haven’t yet succeeded, he said. A post-injury video interview with Featherly-Bean by a Russian news agency showed him sitting up in a hospital bed, sounding subdued and dazed. The interview begins with Featherly-Bean speaking English. “After we got shot …” he said on camera.

The TV station then translated the rest of his words into Russian. His mother was able to get a family acquaintance to translate them back into English. In that version, Featherly-Bean allegedly says: “They fired (at) us. … I remember nothing. With us there was the photographer and one additional journalist. They were killed. I cannot accurately say what agency they (worked for).”

<snip>

[Subdivisions]

98. Ok, can someone smarter than me give a synopsis of what

this means? Is this common knowledge? What are political office holders and US policymakers doing in Ajerbajan? Is this legal? Why are people dying for oil? What does all this mean?

Who here is

SICK AND GOD-DAMNED TIRED

of seeing the same list of treasonous criminals fucking up our lives?

I AM!

[nadinbrzezinski]

99. I truly wish it was just about the oil and simple answers

could explain conflicts that go back to Peter the Great and the rise of the Russian Empire....

They are part of the answer, but you know what? NATO facilities and our Military advisors in the direct Russian sphere of influence have a lot more to to with this than just oil

[Rhiannon12866]

103. And then there's John McCain, who said "we're all Georgians." No, we are not...

I know that he's been through hell in his life, but he's wrong about this. This is an Arab country, and just doesn't get it. Georgia is not the least bit Russian, has an entire other culture. The Russians hate them, and vice versa. Stalin was Georgian, and, when I was there, they still celebrated him because he managed to kill so many Russians. John McCain needs to read up on history...:-(

[Born_A_Truman]

108. Another interesting twist...

We flew the Georgia troops back home from Iraq.

Georgia was the third-largest contributor of coalition forces after the U.S. and Britain, and most of its troops were stationed near the Iranian border in southeastern Iraq.

Does that leave the Iran/Iraq border open? Inviting?

[nc4bo]

110. Google Earth puts everything into better perspective for me....

Damn M$M shows you shitty maps that show nothing of where the; Arrghhhh matey! The bootie aka Baku-T'billisi-Ceyhan Oil Pipeline and the smaller Western Early Oil Pipeline are located in relation to Russia, Georgia and other countries.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/download.php?Number=1217606&t=k&om=1

Some conversation from the Earth community here:

http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showthreaded.php/Cat/0/Number/1217606/page/vc/1

Hope it helps someone else "see it" better too.

[bdamomma]

111. major oil pipeline in that area

what else is new?? and more innocent people will get killed.