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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 08:38 AM
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Suskind is shooting directly at the King-Hearings Are Planned-Transcript With Richer Released
Edited on Fri Aug-08-08 09:30 AM by kpete
... I suspect this is going to be soon overtaken by the material that Ron Suskind broke this week in “The Way of the World.” He really has Cheney cold ordering the fabrication of the letter claiming Atta trained in Iraq and that Saddam had tried to buy Yellowcake, asking Habbush to, in exchange for the 5 million safe harbor and “keep quiet” money, write and pre-date the letter in question. Tonight Suskind is saying that Congressional Staff are already deep into it, hearings are planned, and tomorrow he will be publishing on his website transcripts of his interviews with Richer. Others will follow. He has everything on tape. He has perhaps a dozen witnesses to various parts of the CIA fabrication of the letter on Cheney’s and possibly Bush’s direct orders. He has that backed up with other witnesses from British Intelligence. (Would not be surprised if he doesn’t have a piece of Cream Paper right out of Cheney’s office and in his hand.) Moreover it is an easy crime to prosecute, total violation of the Charter of CIA which prohibits the use of the agency for domestic political or propaganda efforts — and the lies about Iraq’s (non) WMD’s and Atta’s (non)visit to Iraq for training were directed toward sustaining the lies that undergirded the invasion.

Bush can only be indicted after a successful impeachment and trial and conviction, but Cheney’s situation follows the Agnew precedent, and Agnew did face charges. Mukasey is going to be confronted with a clear felony, with a ton of witnesses and documentary materials that Cheney ordered a violation of the CIA charter, and whether he prosecutes or not — well that will be up to him, but it will not be a necessarily hard prosecutorial decision.

This is so much Bigger than whether people answer to subpoeneas, and so much easier for those who don’t follow complex issues to understand.

What intrigues is that Suskind got a whole lot of in-the-loop people to talk on the record, people on both sides of the pond. And with the WH tryed-Partial Transcript With Richer Availing to force Suskind’s witnesses to now lie — Suskind is up for publishing the transcripts, and handing off the tapes to a proper Congressional Committee that can in turn call in the witnesses, administer oaths, and establish the record. In fact you have a whole lot of people who want to take an oath and then spill the beans, and who are not subject to Executive Privilege. Suskind is shooting directly at the King.

comment# 19
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/07/what-would-scott-mcclellan-say/
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/spytalk/2008/08/suskind-to-release-cia-intervi.html

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UPDATE: Transcript:

- From Ron Suskind’s website:

…I’ve decided to post a partial transcript of one of a number of taped conversations in which Rob Richer and I discussed, on the record, the Habbush letter. We discussed it many times through the spring of 2008…

...................

This posting is contrary to my practice across 25 years as a journalist. But the issues, in this matter, are simply too important to stand as discredited in any way.

--Ron Suskind


*******************

~snip~

Ron: Now this is from the Vice President’s Office is how you remembered it–not from the president?

Rob: No, no, no. What I remember is George saying, ‘we got this from’–basically, from what George said was ‘downtown.’

Ron: Which is the White House?

Rob: Yes. But he did not–in my memory–never said president, vice president, or NSC. Okay? But now–he may have hinted–just by the way he said it, it would have–cause almost all that stuff came from one place only: Scooter Libby and the shop around the vice president.

Ron: Yeah, right.

Rob: But he didn’t say that specifically. I would naturally–I would probably stand on my, basically, my reputation and say it came from the vice president.

Ron: Right, I’m with you, I’m with you. But there wasn’t anything in the writing that you remember saying the vice president.

Rob: Nope.

Ron: It just had the White House stationery.

Rob: Exactly right.

Ron: That’s fine, White House stationery’s fine. Everything’s from there. You know, that’s the center point. But not OVP’s Office. It’s just the White House. It comes from the White House. That’s plain and simple.

Rob: And you know, if you’ve ever seen the vice president’s stationery, it’s on the White House letterhead. It may have said OVP. I don’t remember that, so I don’t want to mislead you…

http://www.ronsuskind.com/thewayoftheworld/transcripts/

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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 08:39 AM
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1. Nancy wont do anything, even if people hold her hand and give her all the evidence she needs
George Bush is the king and can do anything he wants, think otherwise, prove me wrong
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 08:41 AM
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3. the hell with nancy..the people need to demand action from others.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 08:51 AM
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7. Others? like Conyers and his "impeachment non hearings", or Wexler and his petition???
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 09:14 AM
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12. There was a non impeachment hearing, but not an impeachment non hearing
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-08 01:45 AM
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23. Most likely, if the WH is seriously attacked they have enough info to take Nancy down with them.
It's the only reason she would be so adamant about protecting the miserable creeps.
I'm sure they have dirt on just about everyone in government and the media too.

I mean what else is all that secret wiretapping good for?

It all falls into place, simply and clearly.

It's a major hill to climb but if there were some way to get the public on our side
something might happen.

And I doubt if they have anything on Obama. If they did we would hear inklings of it.
But in order to protect others, he still might not lead the charge.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 08:40 AM
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2. Ron Suskind will be on with Thom Hartmann today.
Good post!

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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 08:42 AM
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4. Bush readies his pardon pen (handed down from Poppy)
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 10:55 AM
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17. He can't pardon himself.
He might try though. ;-) The whole lot of them need to be shipped to the belgium for war crimes.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 11:02 AM
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19. I was really thinking more of him pardoning Cheney.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 08:44 AM
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5. Think Progress: American Conservative: It was Feith’s office, not CIA, that forged the Habbush lette
r.»

American Conservative: It was Feith’s office, not CIA, that forged the Habbush letter.»
Ron Suskind’s new book alleges that the White House ordered the CIA to forge a letter from the head of Iraqi intelligence to Saddam Hussein linking the dictator to the 9/11 terrorists. The American Conservative’s Philip Giraldi argues today that “an extremely reliable and well placed source in the intelligence community” told him Suskind’s overall claim “is correct,” but that it was Douglas Feith’s Office of Special Plans — not the CIA — that forged the letter:

My source also notes that Dick Cheney, who was behind the forgery, hated and mistrusted the Agency and would not have used it for such a sensitive assignment. Instead, he went to Doug Feith’s Office of Special Plans and asked them to do the job. … It was Feith’s office that produced the letter and then surfaced it to the media in Iraq. Unlike the Agency, the Pentagon had no restrictions on it regarding the production of false information to mislead the public. Indeed, one might argue that Doug Feith’s office specialized in such activity.

A CIA counterrorism expert said that, in the run-up to war, Feith’s office recommended that the CIA’s finding of no link between Iraq al Qaeda relations “be ignored. Not challenged, not made the subject of a critical dialogue between policymakers and analysts, but ignored.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/07/american-conservative-it-was-feiths-office-not-cia-that-forged-the-habbush-letter/
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 09:07 AM
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10. Interesting that the American Conservative doesn't
deny there was a forged letter..just who did it.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 03:41 PM
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20. Read the whole transcript - it reconciles what Suskind and Giraldi (Amer Con) have been saying
Edited on Fri Aug-08-08 03:42 PM by leveymg
The earlier accounts emphasized Suskind's narrative that George Tenet handed the forgery down the CIA chain of command.

Giraldi said, no, the point of origin was Cheney's office, and the actual forgery was done by Feith's shop at the Pentagon, OSP.

Read the following -- the whole thing -- and what Richer clearly says is that Tenet was handed a piece of paper (the tasking order from the White House to forge the letter) - may have been the OVP on White House stationery - but, he understood the place of origin was OVP, specifically, Scooter Libby. Tenet was a go-between, and an extremely reluctant one. The excerpt is silent as to whether it was CIA or OSP that actually produced the forgery. But, everyone is in agreement, the written order cam on White House letterhead.

Now, read this:



I've decided to post a partial transcript of one of a number of taped conversations in which Rob Richer and I discussed, on the record, the Habbush letter. We discussed it many times through the spring of 2008.

Rob Richer received a copy of The Way of the World on Monday night, August 4, the day before publication. On Tuesday, he said he had read key portions of the book and was comfortable with what they contained. Later that day, though, he issued the following the statement:

"I never received direction from George Tenet or anyone else in my chain of command to fabricate a document from Habbash as outlined in Mr Suskind's book."

The conversation below took place in June 2008. As in all of our conversations, it shows Rob pressing to get at truth and embrace probity.

This posting is contrary to my practice across 25 years as a journalist. But the issues, in this matter, are simply too important to stand as discredited in any way.

--Ron Suskind


Interview Transcript

. . . Ron Suskind: I know we've talked through these things eight ways to Sunday, and hour after hour, but here's what I want you to ask yourself. Prior to me jogging your memory, okay--forget Habbush part one, okay.

Rob Richer: Okay.

Ron: You know, the prewar stuff, cause there's zillions of people in on that part. And there's people in on the second part, too. But here's my question to you: before I, as I said, before I jog your memory on this stuff, what do you--and I think I have a good idea, cause I've asked you this seven different ways, but I just want to make absolutely sure--what do you remember? If I just grabbed you on the street and said what do you remember of the second part, okay--with the letter and all the rest--what would be the high marks in terms of what you--memory's the best editor I think's a line from Tennyson--

Rob: Exactly.

Ron: What were the parts that you remember most vividly?

Rob: You're talking about Habbush himself, correct?

Ron: No, I'm talking about the second part, with the letter being passed from--through George and down the ranks. Cause at one point--and I know we have recollections at the top and that's fine--you have recollections, not from me but from your own memory on that--

Rob: Let me tell you what I know, just so before you color any of it. Is that when you first asked me about it I remember just really telling you that it was a non-event, and if you were to ask me today I would tell you it was a non-event. It came down from the seventh floor. It was part of--as I remember it, it wasn't so much to influence America--that's illegal--but it was kinda like a covert, a way to influence Iraqis.

. . .

Rob: To characterize it right, I would say, right: it came to us, George had a raised eyebrow, and basically we passed it on--it was to--and passed this on into the organization. You know, it was: 'Okay, we gotta do this, but make it go away.' To be honest with you, I don't want to make it sound--I for sure don't want to portray this as George jumping: 'Okay, this has gotta happen.' As I remember it--and, again, it's still vague, so I'll be very straight with you on this--is it wasn't that important. It was: 'This is unbelievable. This is just like all the other garbage we get about . . . I mean Mohammad Atta and links to al Qaeda. 'Rob,' you know, 'do something with this.' I think it was more like that than: 'Get this done.'

Ron: Do something with this, right. Get this, this is like--

Rob: It died a natural death as you know.

Ron: 'This thing stinks, take it.'

Rob: Yeah, kinda like that, yeah. But, you know, we got so much garbage that first couple—that year.

Ron: Were there other things like this where we were creating product?

Rob: You know, I don't remember that.

. . .

Ron: The intent--the basic raison d'etre of this product is to get, is to create, here's a letter with what's in it. Okay, here's what we want on the letter, we want it to be released as essentially a representation of something Habbush says. That's all it says, that's the one paragraph. And then you pass it to whomever to do it. To get it done.

Rob: It probably passed through five or six people. George probably showed it to me, but then passed it probably to Jim Pavitt, the DDO, who then passed it down to his chief of staff who passed it to me. Cause that's how--you know, so I saw the original. I got a copy of it. But it was, there probably was--

Ron: Right. You saw the original with the White House stationery, but you didn't--down the ranks, then it creates other paper.

Rob: Yeah, no, exactly. But I couldn't tell you--again: I remember it happening, I remember a terrible brief kinda joking dialogue about it, but that was it.

. . .

Ron: Now this is from the Vice President's Office is how you remembered it--not from the president?

Rob: No, no, no. What I remember is George saying, 'we got this from'--basically, from what George said was 'downtown.'

Ron: Which is the White House?

Rob: Yes. But he did not--in my memory--never said president, vice president, or NSC. Okay? But now--he may have hinted--just by the way he said it, it would have--cause almost all that stuff came from one place only: Scooter Libby and the shop around the vice president.

Ron: Yeah, right.

Rob: But he didn't say that specifically. I would naturally--I would probably stand on my, basically, my reputation and say it came from the vice president.

Ron: Right, I'm with you, I'm with you. But there wasn't anything in the writing that you remember saying the vice president.

Rob: Nope.

Ron: It just had the White House stationery.

Rob: Exactly right.

Ron: That's fine, White House stationery's fine. Everything's from there. You know, that's the center point. But not OVP's Office. It's just the White House. It comes from the White House. That's plain and simple.

Rob: And you know, if you've ever seen the vice president's stationery, it's on the White House letterhead. It may have said OVP. I don't remember that, so I don't want to mislead you. . . .



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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 08:51 AM
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6. I certainly hope he has copies of EVERYTHING
If he turns it over to a Congressional committee it could very easily get "lost". Congress does not want to go there..This would drag them there kicking and screaming...
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 08:52 AM
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8. Suskind is a seasoned journalist. For his own safety, I'm sure there are multiple copies in
Edited on Fri Aug-08-08 08:52 AM by mod mom
safe places.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 09:02 AM
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9. Good. Now we only have to keep Cheney healthy. I want him to have
a front row seat to all this.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 09:23 AM
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13. you know Cheney will be exercising the William Casey option
Edited on Fri Aug-08-08 09:24 AM by burythehatchet
everything will be pinned on Cheney and he will croak conveniently before he is brought to the bar of justice. Count on it.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 10:46 AM
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14. I know. And it saddens me that he has an easy way out.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 09:12 AM
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11. Nancy's busy preparing for the second leg of her book tour
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 10:50 AM
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15. Last week, she was in Detroit to support Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, mother of Kwame
Real smart, Nancy!

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 10:55 AM
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18. LOL
Edited on Fri Aug-08-08 10:56 AM by Hubert Flottz
No wonder her brain is in such bad shape!

Edit... I hope there are enough patriots on our side to stand up for the rule of law.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 10:53 AM
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16. Suskind claims to have taped recordings of details revealed in the book.
If this is the case, and the CIA guys are on record; things are going to get VERY interesting. War crimes anyone?
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 11:13 PM
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21. I hope he has stashed several copies of everything with
instructions to release them if something untoward happens to him.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-08 12:33 AM
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22. We've all been waiting far to long
let's get this show on the road
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