NPR: Media reports indicating Anthrax scientist Ivins was going to be indicted imminently are False

[sabra]

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93250771

NPR.org, August 3, 2008 · Government investigators tell NPR that they were still several major legal steps away from indicting army researcher Dr. Bruce Ivins for the 2001 anthrax attacks when he killed himself this past week.

While they had written up the case and told officials at the Department of Justice they were prepared to go forward, the department had not yet approved the case. What is more, the evidence against Ivins had not yet been presented in its entirety to a grand jury and jurors had not yet been asked to vote on an indictment. That process could have taken weeks.

There had been some media reports saying that Ivins killed himself on Tuesday because he had been told that he was going to be indicted imminently. People close to the case told NPR that the FBI had a discussion with Ivins' lawyer and had presented him with some of the evidence in the case.

But the idea at the time was to convince Ivins' lawyer that it was in his client's best interest to admit to mailing envelopes with anthrax in the fall of 2001. People close to the investigation said it wasn't so much a plea discussion as the FBI making clear that they were steaming toward an indictment of Ivins.

[Wizard777]

1. He may have gotten that info from his Therapist's restraining order.

She says in her complaint that the FBI was going to indict him on 5 counts of murder. He would have gotten a copy of her complaint.

[SpiralHawk]

3. But the therapist's story stinks to high heavens

see related DU thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3727237

Republicon black ops apparently at work in this matter...

[Wizard777]

25. Yes it does. But even with Bush. At the bottom of the biggest pile of BS you'll find a little truth.

This was true. The FBI was preparing to indict him on 5 counts of murder.

[yardwork]

18. You mean the "theripist" with no degree and a history of DUI?

[Wizard777]

27. That's a violation of Maryland Law. It used to be that anyone could call themselves a Psychologist.

You didn't have to have a degree or a license to practise medicine. All you needed was an office with Psychologist on the door and you were in business. Then Maryland passed a law requiring a degree and license. She should be prosecuted. But I have a feeling that much like when we tried to prosecute Linda Tripp for her illegal wiretap of Monica Lewinsky. The feds have probably given her immunity in exchange for testimony. That would be another loose end tied up.

[enough]

2. Bruce Ivins may be Bush/Cheney's Eugene Hassenfus. (nt)

[KharmaTrain]

13. There's A Name Out Of The Deep Dark Contra Past

I hope you're right...there's a lot of the same questions about Ivins, just like Hassenfus...just without a plane.

Methinks this case was supposed to have the lid on it until past the elections, but it appears Mr. Ivins didn't get that memo.

[Nevilledog]

4. Grand Jury proceedings are supposed to be secret.

I only practice at the state level, but by law Grand Jury proceedings are secret and if someone disclosed to Ivins that they had testified before one or if law enforcement told Ivins that one was seated and hearing evidence against him they would be breaking the law. Maybe someone who practices federal criminal law can chime in on this point.

Arizona Revised Statutes 13-2812 - Unlawful grand jury disclosure

A person commits unlawful grand jury disclosure if the person knowingly discloses to another the nature or substance of any grand jury testimony or any decision, result or other matter attending a grand jury proceeding, except in the proper discharge of official duties, at the discretion of the prosecutor to inform a victim of the status of the case or when permitted by the court in furtherance of justice.


Arizona Revised Statutes 13-2813 - Unlawful disclosure of an indictment, information or complaint

A person commits unlawful disclosure of an indictment, information or complaint if the person knowingly discloses the fact than an indictment, information or complaint has been found or filed before the accused person is in custody or has been served with a summons, except in the proper discharge of official duties, at the discretion of the prosecutor to inform a victim of the status of the case or when permitted by the court in furtherance of justice.

Violating either one of those statutes is a class 1 misdemeanor.

[babylonsister]

5. Hell, I'd read he was facing the death penalty. Wow. Someone is

seriously trying to distort this story and what really happened.

[EFerrari]

10. The AP for one. Look at this:

Is another Bruce Ivins lurking in a biolab?

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=225460&src=109

[Supersedeas]

19. "Yet Ivins had attempted to poison people as far back as 2000..." interesting Media conclusion

[EFerrari]

21. They took the wild unsubstantiated claims this woman made

at a hearing to get a restraining order and repeat them as fact.

It's disgusting, all around. No one questioned her at the hearing and of course, Authorized Propaganda just spams the world with this cr@p.

[Supersedeas]

23. another claim by the person the Media labels a "psychotherapist" --

“He is a revenge killer,” Ms. Duley told a Maryland District Court judge on the tape. “When he feels that he has been slighted, and especially towards women, he plots and actually tries to carry out revenge killings.”

http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/02/1243368.aspx

The Media's incuriousity about Duley's sworn testimony is very revealing, no?

[EFerrari]

24. The Court's lack of curiousity shocked me.

The judge didn't ask a single question when these statements were made and went into the record. :shrug:

[screembloodymurder]

6. In other words, a bluff.

So, why close the case? We have no real evidence ... case closed.

[Fly by night]

7. I listened to the NPR story this morning while picking blueberries.

The portion of the story that included an interview with Ivins' older brother was downright creepy. Older brother had not talked to Ivins for over 20 years. He kept repeating that he was much "stronger" than Ivins and another brother.

Substitute an "a" for the "o" in stronger, and you would be closer to the truth.

Much closer than the corporate media is on this story.

Move along now. Nothing to see here.

[lazyriver]

8. He did sound like a kook. He mocked his brothers for

being smarter and said they thought of themselves as "ohm-ni-pit-ent" as he fumbled to pronounce the word. It sounded like he was reading parts of his answers from a script with someone silently "coaching" him through it. I found that whole interview kind of creepy.

[Sal Minella]

12. Older brother said he "didn't crumble like the Wall of Jericho tumbling down"

when FBI asked questions about early family life. WTF???

What an exceedingly strange interview that was -- the guy sounded just so nutso-batso I'm surprised NPR even ran the interview (I would love to hear the parts that ended up on the cutting room floor -- would expect experiences with alien probings and ability to dowse buried treasure and streaming Sermon On The Mount on his fillings).

"Are you sorry he's dead?"

"NO!"

"Creepy" doesn't begin to describe that interview.

Edit: Link to NPR interview:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93250745

Can read or listen.

[EFerrari]

16. That's what I thought, too. He said Ivins thought he was omnipotent

but the brother is the one that seems to have a problem with a sense of omnipotence.

[Catherine Vincent]

20. I heard the older brother too.

That was very creepy and it literally ticked me off how he had no feelings whatsoever for his brother's supposedly suicide.

[The Backlash Cometh]

9. Geez, has our intelligence agencies not been paying attention to how

quickly information gets passed along on the internet? By the end of the week, we'll figure out who the culprit was without their help, but we certainly won't trust their opinion.

[NightWatcher]

11. they need to investigate the "ther i pist's" (she misspelled her own profession) letter

it is a HUGE phony

[EFerrari]

17. Or, it was done by a fairly naive person being manipulated

by FBI.

[alcibiades_mystery]

14. The FBI needs to release their evidence NOW

This is a public matter of great concern. Since Dr. Ivins is no longer in - ahem - legal jeopardy, the FBI must release the details of their case against him immediately. They have smeared this man's name and they must now show on what basis they are making these claims. The man is dead, for chrissakes. If they have no case of any value, then the Ivins' family should have recourse to sue the government for tortious conduct.

[TWiley]

15. Remember Mc Veigh?

His case was re-opened by the Bushtapo shortly after seizing power in the CIA's 2000 Florida election coup. Rove, Ashcroft, and Cheney had to purge ... oops .... I mean "review" the evidence to be sure he got a fair trial.

I am not suprised the absolutely need to close the book on this one before leaving office. In a way, I do wish Bill Clinton was going to be roaming the hallways on capital hill. I believe he would unearth lots of things because he would know where to look

[Supersedeas]

22. Not that Bob Considine continues to label Jean Duley a psychotherapist (where are the journalistic

standards)???

[Rex]

26. Killed himself, right.