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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:45 PM
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Why is the Dr's work w/ Ivans not covered by a doctor / patient ......
.... confidentiality agreement?

And I just heard on CNN radio news that Ivans was making threats in 2000 ....
then why in the hell was he working in bio-weapons and on the anthrax cases?

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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:47 PM
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1. Good question.
This really smells.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:47 PM
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2. The quote is from a counselor that is being called a therapist.
I've yet to find a doctor's name or affiliation even though Duley, the counselor, claims to be quoting him/her.

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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 01:52 PM
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10. Repeat, Duley is quoting somebody else (Ivins's therapist, supposedly)
But because it's in a restraining order which is a public record, this hearsay is available to the press to discredit Ivins. How convenient that the restraining order was issued--a few days ago, even though the guy was supposedly dangerous for years, according to the hearsay. If i were setting up a fake suicide, that would be a sweet gambit.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 01:54 PM
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11. Yes, she quotes the doctor but she also seems to embellish
on her own. Nicely timed, isn't it.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 02:06 PM
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13. it's adorable.
Case closed with a pretty ribbon.

What a con!
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:48 PM
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3. I think expectations of confidentiality
expire when the person does.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:54 PM
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4. that depends on the particular state.
some states state that the relationship and duty of confidentiality survives death
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:59 PM
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6. I thought that "the estate" of the person also covers medical records ..
... and as such confidentiality remains intact.
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The empressof all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:56 PM
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5. If the patient is a danger to themselves or others ....
Edited on Sun Aug-03-08 01:15 PM by The empressof all
If the patient is a danger to themselves or others (as judged by the treating professional) the therapist, counselor or MD has a legal obligation to report to the authorities. There really is no hard and fast confidentiality in treatment now a days. It's important to read the fine print of any treatment agreement you sign with your Mental Health Provider. (That is if they even offer you one.) Treatment records are subject to subpoena (even after the death of the patient) and most of the time the treatment professional will not contest it.
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phillysuse Donating Member (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 01:21 PM
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7. Duley is a B.A. in Social Work, not a doctor
The real question is what was a B.A. in Social Work, specialty in addictions doing involved in this case. Was Ivins a narcotic addict?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 02:01 PM
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12. That's par for the course
Edited on Sun Aug-03-08 02:01 PM by Breeze54
http://www.upmc.com/HealthManagement/ManagingYourHealth...

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Training may include a bachelor degree, specific clinical training in alcohol and drug abuse, and supervised experience.

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 01:47 PM
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8. If an order of protection was issued that is public record by default
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 02:20 PM
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14. It *eventually* is.
:shrug:
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 01:49 PM
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9. Who is the Ham operator out on Field Day with the tin hat?
Is that you Botany?

Don
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 02:30 PM
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15. No idea who that guy is .... i just googled "tin foil hat" for that image


This is me ... the guy .... I forget who the girl .... all I know was she was real easy
and liked a good fart joke.
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