Teen in Gun Raid Had Teacher List

[tannybogus]

Parents had no idea that son had in bedroom 181 rounds of ammunition, assault rifles, 50 pounds of explosive chemicals, 2 shotguns, handgun, metal pipes, detonation wires.
The Bethesda teenager in whose home investigators found a cache of assault rifles and bombmaking materials was compiling a list of home addresses for teachers at his former high school, police said yesterday.

Police officials said it was unclear why Colin McKenzie-Gude, 18, was making the list of teachers from St. John's College High School, a private school in Northwest Washington from which he graduated this year.

Also yesterday, police said McKenzie-Gude's father, Joseph L. Gude, 62, was charged with buying guns for his son, including at least some guns that the teenager was too young to own legally. Authorities have not said what, if anything, they think McKenzie-Gude planned to do with the weapons.

McKenzie-Gude turned himself in yesterday afternoon at a Montgomery police station in Rockville. He was charged in a warrant with five counts of possession of a firearm or ammunition by a minor, possession of a destructive device and possession of explosive material, police said.

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[bluerum]

1. Come on. Kids should grow up with guns so that they don't fear them.

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[SteveM]

4. Any info on whether or not the father-in-law trained his son? (nt)

[aspergris]

8. kids grew up with guns

for decades in the US and the incidents of criminal activity with guns by same kids was practically non-existent.

[bluerum]

9. And your point is?

"McKenzie-Gude turned himself in yesterday afternoon at a Montgomery police station in Rockville. He was charged in a warrant with five counts of possession of a firearm or ammunition by a minor, possession of a destructive device and possession of explosive material, police said."

Maybe you may want this whacko living next door to you. Maybe you didn't read the post clearly.

Minor. Illegal possession. Explosive material.

[aspergris]

11. correct

and that doesn't disprove my statement, which was in response to an erroneous statement.

I arrested a 16 yr old with a glock recently. Doesn't disprove that kids can grow up in households with a healthy respect for guns.

[bluerum]

13. I grew up in a house with guns. I hate em. This kid clearly LOVES guns.

Perhaps his over fondness for them should have been observed earlier.

I don't know.

But easy access and his oddly over stimulated interest led to him breaking several laws.

[SteveM]

15. Speculate as you will about "over stimulated interest," but you were different?...

So the presence of guns was not the problem? I would suggest that proper training with guns by a competent parent/adult is far better than "discovering" a cache of weaponry later on. There is no guarantee that some kind of crime won't take place, but it's far better than treating guns like most adolescents treats cigarettes, booze, sex: something "new" because few parents/adults took the time to make it "old."

[zanne]

25. Seiously, Steve. Get help. nt

[SteveM]

31. I know you are not serious, but on the internet...

all trolls are allowed to be dishonest in public, if it's part of their act.

BTW, you noticed I didn't receive an answer immediately above. I guess that is because the fellow was check-mated; re-read and you'll see.

[zanne]

33. So you feel that, as a troll, you're allowed to be dishonest? nt

[SteveM]

40. More projection, more dishonesty, more predictability from you(nt)

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

41. and you didn't plan to murder anyone? That's impossible.

[AtheistCrusader]

10. So uh... explain the explosives.

Doesn't get much more controlled than that. The permits and licenses for explosives are unobtainable for a teenager.

Maybe he got it all at a gun show? :sarcasm:

[MadrasT]

2. WTF?

Parents had no idea that son had in bedroom 181 rounds of ammunition, assault rifles, 50 pounds of explosive chemicals, 2 shotguns, handgun, metal pipes, detonation wires.

:wtf: How is that possible? You can't just hide all that chit under the mattress....

[Ghost in the Machine]

3. He was 18 & living at home...

maybe his parents either respected his privacy & space and didn't go in his room, or he did all his own laundry & stuff and the parents had no *reason* to go in his room...

Do *you* have kids? If so, do know exactly what all they have in *their* rooms? I'm a single father of 15 & 16 year olds... I don't know everything that's in their rooms, either, but then again, I don't snoop through their stuff... unless I have a good reason to do so.

With the majority of kids carrying backpacks today, do you *ever* really know what they're bringing in the house?

[ingac70]

5. My mom went through my stuff all the time.

Even when I moved back home briefly after a divorce.

[TomInTib]

7. I cannot even imagine.

We never went through our sons' rooms.

My Mother would have never even considered going through my stuff.

And she knew what I was doing.

[tburnsten]

I wish

My mother would search my stuff all the damn time, and would consistently lie about it, which pissed me off because my neat stuff would continuously go missing, like my awesome Glock field knife that I got for about $30 bucks, I'm sure that sucker would still be proudly serving me today, indestructible and ready to go on any camping trip I could imagine, but it "disappeared" and she didn't even have the decency to hold onto it and return it to me later in life.

[tburnsten]

16. I wish

My mother would search my stuff all the damn time, and would consistently lie about it, which pissed me off because my neat stuff would continuously go missing, like my awesome Glock field knife that I got for about $30 bucks, I'm sure that sucker would still be proudly serving me today, indestructible and ready to go on any camping trip I could imagine, but it "disappeared" and she didn't even have the decency to hold onto it and return it to me later in life.

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[MadrasT]

19. I confess that I do not . . .

...and I can see your point. :hi:

[proud2BlibKansan]

32. Smart parents check backpacks

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[uppityperson]

6. Just for reference, it is NW WA, DC, not WA state.

[Jack_DeLeon]

14. Sounds like the parents were fucking incompotent...

cant really explain it otherwise.

[tburnsten]

17. "181 rounds" is a pathetically small amount

of ammunition, seriously, that is less than seventy dollars of plinking 9mm ammunition, and about six to eight dollars worth of plinking .22 ammunition. But it sounds like a big number, so that's what they are reporting, because if they list the amount, it must be an issue right? Or an unreasonable amount.


181 rounds is less than one hours worth of shooting. I wish they'd report it in a less slanted way.

[bossy22]

18. 181 to people who dont know what they are talking about

sounds like alot

if i totalled all the ammo in my house i think it would be somewhere between 2000-2500 rounds

and its all stored in a safe that is no bigger then a small box

[Leftist Agitator]

20. Indeed.

I have 5000 rounds of .22 LR sitting in my closet right now.

I picked it up cheap from a friend who sold his Ruger 10/22.

[spin]

21. The mainstream media has little knowledge or interest..

in the gun culture.

Since they view handguns as only useful as killing weapons they probably consider any amount of ammo over 20 rounds excessive.

For those unfamiliar with regular shooters, many buy ammo in bulk or on sale. Since many shooters have multiple weapons it's not uncommon for them to have thousands of rounds in their house. An average trip to the range for me will consume between 200 to 300 rounds of usually two different calibers. Many shooters will fire fire more than that in a single day.

[krispos42]

26. Ruh-roh

I've got 350 rounds of .22 in my closet and about 50 shotgun shells. SOMEBODY HIDE THE CHILDREN!!!

[Paladin]

30. You're Essentially Criticizing This Potentially Murderous Kid.....

....for not having an adequate supply of bullets to do the job right. Are you under some impression that you come off looking good in doing this?

Reminds me of the D.C. sniper threads, where gunnies made lip-smacking comments about how many more people would have been taken out if the shooters had used a Really Cool Gun.....

[tburnsten]

34. Not at all

But 181 rounds is 181 rounds more than is neccessary to kill a human, but for recreational purposes, 181 rounds is nothing. 181 rounds is a disappointingly short afternoon at the range, but if the person is planning on murdering people, 181 rounds is likely far more than he would actually fire, so it is sort of irrelevant how many rounds he had. Unless he was supplying a terrorist group with arms, the amount of ammunition is really pretty meaningless. But the report made it out to be an unnaturally high number of rounds for one person to have, by the way they phrased uit. It really isn't, and is in fact a pathetically small amount.

[krispos42]

35. I'm pointing out that the supply of ammunition was hardly remarkable

Considering that pistol ammunition is typically sold in 50-round boxes or 250-round bricks, shotgun ammuniton is usually sold in 25-round boxes, and that .22 rimfire ammunition is usually sold in 500-round bricks.

And if he had a variety of calibers to feed, he might well have only a few dozen rounds for each gun, maybe even less.

[ulysses]

38. one assumes that you haven't paired the ammo

with a list of names.

[gatorboy]

36. He could probably shoot quite a few teachers in an hour.

Just sayin'!

[tburnsten]

37. Sure,

If he had a "captive audience" and wasn't stopped first, but 181 rounds at the range over the course of an hour is totally normal, disappointing because of how short you can be out there, but 181 rounds while going on a murderous rampage is totally different. No way he could get that far, unless the police force was totally inept AND no one else around was equipped to stop him.


Concealed carry makes sense, cops can be quite a ways away. I'm glad this little sociopath got picked up, I almost think they should have caught him sooner.

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[Paladin]

24. That's One Of The Sickest Posts I've Ever Seen Here At DU

You're saying, deliberately without sarcasm, that this kid's planned slaughter of school teachers is laudable? "....an act of discretion and courage..."? "Proper targets"?

Do me a favor and stay the fuck out of my neighborhood......

[zanne]

27. If I knew your name and addres, I'd report you to the authorities.

You're sick and frankly, scary.

[2KS2KHonda]

39. You can file a report with the FBI, they will subpoena DU's records and find out the IP

of that person. I didn't see the post but it sure sounds like it needs to be investigated and prosecuted!

[zanne]

28. Sorry, Paladin! I wasn't talking about you!

I was referring the the poster who is no longer with us.

[Paladin]

29. No Sweat, Zanne. I Wouldn't Make That Assumption

We all know who we're talking about, here. That post was vile enough to almost make me lose my breakfast (and I've got a strong stmomach).

[orleans]

23. where do these people live? in a fucking castle?

how do you not know your kid as a entire arsenal in their room?