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tannybogus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 05:20 PM
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Map of Jobs Lost To China
Unbalanced U.S. trade with China since 2001 has had a devastating effect on U.S. workers. Between 2001 and 2007, 2.3 million jobs were lost or displaced, including 366,000 in 2007 alone (Scott 2008). These jobs were displaced by the growth of the U.S. trade deficit with China, which increased from $84 billion in 2001 to $262 billion in 2007.


http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/webfeatures_snapshots_20...
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 05:22 PM
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1. Looks a little misleading as to the Western states
which have also added jobs due to trade with China. Didn't see that figured in to the stats.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-08 01:18 AM
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17. You really think the paltry number of 'added' jobs balances out the losses???
Wow, do you work for CNBC or Fox business? They defend China just as overtly.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-08 02:44 AM
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19. I just live on the west coast
Edited on Thu Jul-31-08 02:49 AM by depakid
and see companies that benefit and add employees from pacific rim trade.

I have no idea what the balance looks like- though a rational person might think that having accurate stats would make everyone's cases better when they got up to the podium to have their say.





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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-08 02:57 AM
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20. I live on the East Coast, and hundreds of small manufacturers
sheet metal benders/fabricators, electronics distributors, and related metal distributors (sheet and bar stock) are GONE because of China. I tried looking up most of my old contacts on a whim while I was recovering from surgery last year and they are just gone. NJ used to be a huge electronics manufacturing and fabrication state. Just like TV repair shops. Why bother fixing anything when it is cheaper to just replace it with imported junk.


I worked in the medical device design and manufacturing industry about 14 years ago. Most of the companies in my business card portfolio are GONE because of China and India, GONE, including the firm I worked for.

I don't need "accurate" stats to see the destruction of our manufacturing base and related industries.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-08 03:04 AM
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21. Sorry to hear that
And I'd be just as pissed off as you (actually I am about a whole lot of things that people in your region wouldn't understand).



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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 05:23 PM
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2. Jeezsssss
:grr:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 05:23 PM
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3. I would love to have this on a tv spot, but with number of actual jobs rather
than percentages. It would be sobering. It IS sobering.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 05:29 PM
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5. Maybe google has one?
They have populated maps for everything it seems!
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 05:28 PM
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4. Compare that map to this map.... Cartogram 2008 red blue states
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 05:44 PM
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7. For decades most manufacturing jobs have been in
have been in the rust belt states and high tech in Calif., Northeast, some in research triangle of NC and in Austin. Now, many of those jobs have been shipped overseas. Not sure there is much correlation between red/blue states.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 05:48 PM
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8. Well, it looked like it was the blue one's mostly.... to me...
Edited on Wed Jul-30-08 05:49 PM by Breeze54
I'm well aware of the electronic tech job losses. I'm an unemployed tech
and live about 8 miles from Technology Highway (Rt 128) in Waltham, MA.
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 05:37 PM
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6. Here is another article on this.........Study: Trade deficit with China cost 2.3M US jobs
Study: Trade deficit with China cost 2.3M US jobs

China's soaring trade deficit with the U.S. cost Americans 2.3 million jobs and $19.4 billion in lost wages between 2001 and 2007, according to an Economic Policy Institute study released Wednesday.

The Alliance for American Manufacturing blamed unfair trade policies for encouraging U.S. companies to ship jobs to China, where labor is cheaper and its currency undervalued.

"Our flawed trade relationship with China is destroying good jobs," executive director Scott Paul said in a prepared statement.

Using data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Census Bureau and United States International Trade Commission, the Washington-based think tank said high-tech workers were hit especially hard after China entered the World Trade Organization in 2001.

Imports of computers and electronic parts accounted for nearly half of the $178 billion increase in the trade deficit during that time period.

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D928AUQG6....
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 05:49 PM
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9. I'd like to see what would happen to this map if the time-line were extended to 1980.
I think that might be enough to enrage the flock.
:grr:


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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 07:40 PM
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12. That and include India. n/t
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 05:56 PM
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10. And Grampy wants 4 more years of the SAME!
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 06:01 PM
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11. The High Cost of the China-WTO Deal
February 16, 2000

http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/issuebriefs_ib137

"No one can predict the future. But the Clinton Administration is confidently forecasting that the huge U.S. trade deficit with China will improve if Congress accords China permanent normal trade relations (PNTR) in order to accommodate Beijing's membership in the World Trade Organization (WTO)...


...China's entry into the WTO, under PNTR with the U.S., will lock this relationship into place, setting the stage for rapidly rising trade deficits in the future that would severely depress employment in manufacturing, the sector most directly affected by trade. China's accession to the WTO would also increase income inequality in the U.S. 4

Despite the Administration's rhetoric, its own analysis suggests that, after China enters the WTO, the U.S. trade deficit with China will expand, not contract. The contradiction between the Administration's claims and its own economic analysis makes it impossible to take seriously its economic argument for giving China permanent trade concessions..."



October 9, 2007 (revised) (originally released May 2, 2007) | EPI Briefing Paper #188

http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/bp188

Costly Trade With China
Millions of U.S. jobs displaced with net job loss in every state



Clinton hails Senate vote on China trade
September 19, 2000

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/09/19/...

"...The bill is considered the most important U.S. trade legislation since passage of the North American Free Trade Agreement in 1993. But it faced a long campaign of opposition from labor, human rights and conservative groups who wanted to retain the annual review of trade relations with China...

"I believe that we will deeply regret this stampede to pass this legislation and the way in which we have taken all the human rights, religious freedom, right to organize, all of those concerns and we just put them in parenthesis, put them in brackets, as if they don't exist," said Sen. Paul Wellstone, D-Minnesota. Other opponents worried that the U.S. would be unable to influence Beijing over human rights concerns without a yearly vote on trade..."




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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-08 12:13 AM
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13. Reagan Lite n/t
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-08 12:25 AM
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14. It would be nice to see this map compared to a few other statistics, like...
...gas prices, unemployment, GOP governors, etc.


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bigmoon Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-08 12:36 AM
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15. This is Bill Clinton's fault
He supported bad trade deals with China.

I would expect Republicans to do that but not Democrats

I thought Democrats cared about American jobs?
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-08 12:46 AM
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16. Democrats do care about American jobs.
Bill Clinton is not a democrat. Neither is Robert Rubin and the other DINOs who supported NAFTA, GATT, WTO, MFN, and all the other fake free trade deals.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-08 01:20 AM
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18. Bill Clinton wasn't President from 2001-2007
nice try, but it is 2008, and bashing Bill Clinton here is just absurd.
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-08 10:25 PM
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22. Also , he got a blow job.
Keep your talking points in order.
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