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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 04:58 PM
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PNAC Signatories - Lest We Forget

"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor"

Yes the PNACers have gone to ground for the moment but....

Lest we forget:
http://www.king-george.biz/wst_page5.html

Project For A New American Century Signatories:

There are interesting names on both lists - Some I wasn't aware of.

Original 25 PNAC Signatories

Elliott Abrams
Gary Bauer
William J. Bennett
Jeb Bush
Dick Cheney
Eliot A. Cohen
Midge Decter
Paula Dobriansky
Steve Forbes
Aaron Friedberg
Francis Fukuyama
Frank Gaffney
Fred C. Ikle
Donald Kagan
Zalmay Khalilzad
Lewis Scooter Libby
Norman Podhoretz
Dan Quayle
Peter W. Rodman
Stephen P. Rosen
Henry S. Rowen
Donald Rumsfeld
Vin Weber
George Weigel
Paul Wolfowitz

Additional PNAC Signatories

Morton Abramowitz
Gordon Adams
Ken Adelman
Urban Ahlin
Madeleine K. Albright
Richard V. Allen
Giuliano Amato
Mark A. Anderson
Uzi Arad
Richard L. Armitage
Timothy Garton Ash
Anders Aslund
Ronald Asmus
Andrew Y. Au
Maureen Aung-Thwin
Nina Bang-Jensen
Rafael L. Bardaji
Carolyn Bartholomew
Wladyslaw Bartoszewski
Arnold Beichman
Peter Beinart
Jeffrey Bell
Jeffrey Bergner
Robert L. Bernstein
George Biddle
Carl Bildt
Daniel Blumenthal
John Bolton
Max Boot
Ellen Bork
Rudy Boshwitz
Pascal Bruckner
Mark Brzezinski
William F. Buckley, Jr
Reinhard Buetikofer
Janusz Bugajski
Buster C. Glosson (USAF Ret),
Michael Butler
Martin Butora
Daniele Capezzone
Per Carlsen
Gunilla Carlsson
Frank Carlucci
Linda Chavez
Steven C. Clemons
Seth Cropsey
Ivo H. Daalder
Helle Dale
Massimo D'Alema
Dennis DConcini
Pavol Demes
Larry Diamond
Peter Dimitrov
James Dobbins
Thomas Donnelly
Nicholas Eberstadt
Robert Edgar
Uffe Elleman-Jensen
Amitai Etzioni
Lee Feinstein
Edwin J. Feulner, Jr.
Jeffrey L. Fiedler
Michele Flournoy
Hillel Fradkin
Aaron Friedberg
Frank Gaffney
Peter Galbraith
Jeffrey Gedmin
Sam Gejdenson
Robert S. Gelbard
Reuel Marc Gerecht
Bronislaw Geremek
Carl Gershmann
Marc Ginsberg
Andre Glucksmann
Merle Goldman
Philip Gordon
Daniel Goure
Istvan Gyarmati
Morton Halperin
Pierre Hassner
Vaclav Havel
John Herfferman
Charles Hill
Richard C. Holbrooke
James Hooper
Toomas Ilves
Martin S. Indyk
Bruce P. Jackson
Eli S. Jacobs
Michael Joyce
Frederick Kagan
Robert Kagan
Max M. Kampelman
Adrian Karatnycky
Penn Kemble
Craig Kennedy
Paul Kennedy
Col. Robert Killebrew (USA, Ret)
Glenys Kinnock
Lane Kirklan
Jeane J. Kirkpatrick
Harold Hongju Koh
Bernard Kouchner
Peter Kovler
Jerzy Kozminski
Louis Kraar
van Krastev
Charles Krauthammer
William Kristol
Girts Valdis Kristovskis
Ludger Kuehnhardt
Mart Laar
Mark Lagon
Anthony Lake
Vytautas Landsbergis
Stephen Larrabee
John Lehman
Lewis E. Lehrman
Mark Leonard
Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger
Tod Lindberg
James Lindsay
Perry Link
Bette Bao Lord
Rich Lowry
Connie Mack
Christopher Makins
Tom Malinowski
James Mann
Yu Mao-chun
Mary Beth Markey
Will Marshall
Margarita Mathiopoulos
Clifford May
Sen. John McCain
Michael McFaul
Daniel McKivergan
Matteo Mecacci
Mark Medish
Edwin Meese III
Thomas O. Melia
Saah E. Mendelson
Michael Mertes
Ilir Meta
Adam Michnik
Derek Mitchell
Richard Morningstar
Joshua Muravchik
Klaus Naumann
Wing C. Ng
Steven J. Nider
Dietmar Nietan
James O'Brien
Michael O'Hanlon
Janusz Onyszkiewicz
Mackubin Thomas Owens
Wayne Owens
Cem Ozdemir
Can Paker
Mark Palmer
Martin Peretz
Richard Perle
Ralph Peters
Friedbert Pflueger
Daniel Pipes
Danielle Pletka
Norman Podhoretz
John Edward Porter
Florentino Portero
Barry R. McCaffrey (Gen. USA, Ret)
Samantha Ravich
Anusz Reiter
Sophie Richardson
Robert H. Scales (USA, Ret)
Peter Rodman
Alex Rondos
Jim Rosapepe
Dennis Ross
Kenneth Roth
Jacques Rupnik
Eberhard Sandschneider
Randy Scheunemann
Christian Schmidt
Gary Schmitt
William Schneider, Jr.
Charles Schumer Senator
Simon Serfaty
Stephen Sestanovich
John Shattuck
Sin-Ming Shaw
Richard H. Shultz
Radek Sikorski
Stefano Silvestri
Martin Simecka
Paul Simon
Walter Slocombe
Gary Smith
Abraham Sofaer
Henry Sokolski
Stephen J. Solarz
Helmut Sonnenfeldt
James B. Steinberg
Leonard Sussman
John J. Sweeney
William Howard Taft IV
Dick Thornburgh
Gry Titley
John Tkacik
Helga Flores Trejo
Ed Turner
Karl-Theodor von zu Guttenberg
Ivan Vejvoda
Sasha Vondra
Arthur Waldron
Cleste Wallander
Malcolm Wallop
James Webb
Ruth Wedgood
Caspar Weinberger
Kenneth Weinstein
Richard Weitz
Paul Weyrich
Leon Wieseltier
Chris Williams
Jennifer Windsor
Marshall Wittmann
R. James Woolsey
Minky Worden
Larry Wortzel
Dov Zakheim
Robert B. Zoellick


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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 05:02 PM
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1. A nice mix of neocons and neolibs. Madeleine Albright...no surprise.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 05:03 PM
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2.  Madeleine K. Albright !!!! Madeleine K. Albright !!!
Holy shit, I had no idea she signed on to that Reichstag Fire!!!
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 05:54 PM
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17. a surprise to me too...
as was Vaclav Havel.

Most everyone else was no surprise at all.

:shrug:

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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 05:58 PM
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18. Yes
Kind of makes you wonder

Who's really on our side?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 06:10 PM
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23. Less people than you think.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 06:41 PM
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25. right now
the only ones i can think of are Kooch and Wexler. Maybe Bernie Sanders. I'm happy enough with my 2 Senators too (Kennedy, Kerry)... ok, who's that Cali congresslady again?

can you think of anyone else?

:shrug:

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 10:11 PM
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35. These people represent power attributable to violence . . . it's going to end . .
because, eventually, they have to control and pay off and kill so many people that it

become impossible.

That's why we're already up to talking about military rule --- concentration camps.


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Stardust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 01:14 AM
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44. Barbara Boxer (pretty sure you didn't mean Feinstein or Pelosi...)
Barack Obama (I hope)is on our side.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 10:13 AM
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53. it's a large conspiracy - that's why the media and the bush have gotten away with murder
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 01:12 PM
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80. Are you kidding the corporate media is in bed with these traitors. nt
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 01:14 PM
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81. that's what i meant and more
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 06:02 PM
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21. I was disappointed when I saw that.
I had no idea.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 06:50 PM
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28. "It was worth it." -- Albright, on the 500,000 dead Iraqi kids who died from sanctions.
The sanctions clinton's administration supported and helped maintain.

"Monstrous" is too kind a term.

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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 09:23 PM
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31. "We Think the Price Is Worth It"
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084

"We Think the Price Is Worth It"
Media uncurious about Iraq policy's effects- there or here

By Rahul Mahajan

Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it.

--60 Minutes (5/12/96)

Then-Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's quote, calmly asserting that U.S. policy objectives were worth the sacrifice of half a million Arab children, has been much quoted in the Arabic press. It's also been cited in the United States in alternative commentary on the September 11 attacks (e.g., Alexander Cockburn, New York Press, 9/26/01).

But a Dow Jones search of mainstream news sources since September 11 turns up only one reference to the quote--in an op-ed in the Orange Country Register (9/16/01). This omission is striking, given the major role that Iraq sanctions play in the ideology of archenemy Osama bin Laden; his recruitment video features pictures of Iraqi babies wasting away from malnutrition and lack of medicine (New York Daily News, 9/28/01). The inference that Albright and the terrorists may have shared a common rationale--a belief that the deaths of thousands of innocents are a price worth paying to achieve one's political ends--does not seem to be one that can be made in U.S. mass media.

It's worth noting that on 60 Minutes, Albright made no attempt to deny the figure given by Stahl--a rough rendering of the preliminary estimate in a 1995 U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) report that 567,000 Iraqi children under the age of five had died as a result of the sanctions. In general, the response from government officials about the sanctions’ toll has been rather different: a barrage of equivocations, denigration of U.N. sources and implications that questioners have some ideological axe to grind (Extra!, 3-4/00).

...more...
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 05:05 PM
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3. Send 'em all telegrams announcing they've won a 60" plasma teevee.
When they show up to get their prize, arrest 'em.

Fly 'em all to The Hague.


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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 05:29 PM
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10. LOL! Wasn't that a Simpsons episode!? n/t
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 05:36 PM
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13. Around here, the cops run this sting with tickets to high-interest events.
SuperBowl, MLB All-Star game. That kind of stuff.

Winners must present the telegram along with ID.

Hard to believe, but it works every time.

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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 01:15 PM
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62. Yes it was
Homer was suppose to get a boat. He was still wondering where his boat was as was being arrested.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 05:06 PM
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4. did not know Armitage was on there, along with McCain
neither really surprise me.

I wonder now if Armitage was a fall guy for the Plame deal.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 05:10 PM
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5. Never forget! K&R! Where's the other Rs?
:banghead:
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 05:19 PM
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6. interesting. Jeb, Schumer, others...
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 05:22 PM
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7. Jim Webb?
Really?

Uh-oh.
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 10:56 AM
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56. crap. I've mixed feelings. The other day, he said....
Webb on Charlie Rose:
"The health of a nation should not be judged at the apex but at its base."

Makes you wonder what the hell he was thinking when he signed on with the PNAC.
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bdf Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 05:23 PM
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8. It's worth noting
That many of the 25 original signatories gained powerful posts in the first Bush maladministration or were key advisors to it, and that their speciality interest was "war as a tool of foreign policy." In effect, they were Dubya's war cabinet in waiting.

However, Dubya himself was not a signatory. But James Ellis (aka JEB) Bush was. The speculation of others (which I happen to agree with and wish I had spotted it first) is that JEB was chosen by Poopy Bush to steal the 2000 presidency.

JEB stood for Governor of Florida (the most powerful person in that state's government) at the same time that Dubya stood for Governor of Texas (a figurehead position with almost no power). JEB failed in his bid (he succeeded on his next attempt) but Dubya succeeded on his. That left one Bush brother with the credentials of Governor (albeit a figurehead one) to use in a presidential bid.

I can conceive of two reasons that Dubya and JEB stood for governorships at the same time. One if that Poopy Bush wanted a "backup" candidate in case JEB failed. Possible, but implausible or Dubya would also have been a PNAC signatory. The other is that when Dubya learned of Poopy manipulating things so that JEB had a chance of becoming Governor of Texas then Dubya threw one of his 6-year-old spoiled brat tantrums and demanded to be a Governor too. So Poopy threw him a figurehead governorship thinking the cretin couldn't do much harm (if you were educationally-subnormal, had dark skin and were sitting on death row in Texas you might have disagreed with that). Then JEB failed, Dubya was the only Bush with a chance, and Dubya succeeded where his brother failed. And that accounts for Dubya's perpetual "I just had a blow-job" smirk.
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Stardust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 01:04 AM
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43. Interesting background on the Brothers Bush. Thanks & welcome to DU. nt
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 03:03 AM
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47. And may I add....
Jeb was always his father's favorite and the undisputed smart one of the bunch. I think if poopy had his choice, the son that inherited the Presidency would have been Jeb. The Texas-American Mafia's choice for Texas Governor and then President was Dumbya. He had already proved his "worth" as figurehead for near-criminal cartel that owned the Texas Rangers. He had the name, the face and he was VERY EASY to manipulate. He was perfect as the Petroleum Mafia's candidate. All they needed was to make sure their guy was just one step behind.

Remember poopy breaking down a year or so ago when giving the speech in Florida? He got off message and started waxing about poor Jebby loosing his first shot in Florida and how he did not complain. There was much speculation about poopy's tearful outburst, much of it written off to age and stress. I think poopy cried because he saw what how his family will ultimately be remembered: as spawning the worst President in American history.
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bdf Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 01:42 PM
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64. I humbly beg to differ on one point
You enlightened me with some more background on the BFEE that I didn't know (thanks). But I have a different opinion on this point:


I think poopy cried because he saw what how his family will ultimately be remembered: as spawning the worst President in American history.


Poopy doesn't give a shit about how people regard his family as long as his family get their way.

Prescott Bush (Poopy's father) was a traitor during WWII. He acted as banker for a big coal/iron/steel magnate and even helped run some of the businesses in Poland that magnate had confiscated. He continued to do so even after the US entered the war and US troops were being killed by Germans. He continued to do so after Congress pass the "Trading with the Enemy" act to prevent people taking refuge behind the Constitutional definition of treason ("giving aid and comfort to the enemy") - Prescott wasn't giving his services to the Germans, he was being paid for them. Eventually the gov't confiscated Prescott's German assets (but kept it hushed up for fear it would weaken morale). But the gov't didn't know about all of Prescott's German assets and those he still had he continued to run until the war ended. The confiscated assets were returned after the war and consitute the basis of the Bush family fortune. Their fortune comes from Prescott overseeing business that used concentration camp inmates as slaves.

Poopy lied the US into an unnecessary war in Iraq. But you probably already know the details about that one.

So Poopy doesn't give a shit what the untermenschen think of him or his family, provided they don't get it into their heads to rebel.

Here's my opinion on why Poopy wept. He and Cheney had cooked up a wonderful plan. It involved Jeb stealing an election. Then a false-flag operation that would justify them putting in place repressive laws; getting the war in Iraq they'd wanted for years; and all their obscenely-rich cronies getting even richer (as would Poopy and Cheney). To top it all would come a second false-flag operation that would allow them to suspend presidential elections and impose martial law "for the duration" (and since the war on terra never ends) Jeb would be the first of what was effectively a royal dynasty.

But then Jeb lost the election and Dubya had to take over. But Poopy knows what a fucktard Dubya is, and he'd be bound to screw up. And by "screw up" I mean screw up Poopy's plan, not screw up the US economy and reputation (since the wrecking of those was an inherent part of the plan).

No wonder Poopy sobbed buckets. At any moment Dubya might not only ruin the entire plan but set in place a chain of events that would result in life sentences for Dubya, Cheney and Poopy (and probably have people demanding that Prescott be exhumed so that he too could be imprisoned).

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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 01:19 PM
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82. And lest we forget...When Jeb was asked about his future after
that event said "I have no future" meaning of course that Hr. Booosh had destroyed that future.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 12:04 PM
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58. Very interesting. Thanks. nt
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 08:33 AM
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75. George & Barbara barely noticed GWB's win in 1994; too upset over Jeb's loss.
Dad, the Bottle, Vietnam
By Jonathan Alter, Newsweek columnist

I see Bushs behavior as the result of three major forces: the dad, the bottle, and the Vietnam War. For most of his life, Bush tried and failed to follow in his absent fathers footsteps. His father was a war hero; Bush a no-show Guardsman dodging Vietnam. His father did well in the oil business; Bush struck dry holes. His father got elected to Congress; Bush was defeated in 1978. A collection of Bush Sr.s letters contains far more to Jeb than George W. Finally, in 1994, Bush was elected governor of Texas, but George and Bar were so upset that their anointed son, Jeb, lost the election that night for the governorship of Florida that they barely seemed to notice.


http://nymag.com/news/politics/Bush/26993/index1.html
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 05:24 PM
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9. What Bozita said.
To The Hague.
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 05:32 PM
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11. Senator Charles Schumer is a signed PNACer...
:wow:

...along with John McCain.

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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 05:34 PM
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12. And Jim Webb...
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 05:42 PM
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15. Gimme shelter. I missed his name on that list. It's the same James Webb
that people wanted to become Obama's VP, huh?

Oy yoy yoy!
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Buck Rabbit Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 12:37 AM
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41. He signed one letter in support of Taiwan, not original neocon manifesto.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 06:42 PM
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26. That surprises you?
Edited on Wed Jul-23-08 06:44 PM by notsodumbhillbilly
He's a DLC member.

"The Democratic Leadership Council's agenda is indistinguishable from the Republican Neoconservative agenda," Dennis Kucinich
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 09:46 PM
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32. Uh....yeah. It does.
Take a look at the Senatorial delegation from NY.

Look at the voting records.

Nice "label-slapping," though.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 05:39 PM
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14. McCain
Also, I'm glad my name isn't Wing Ng. :P
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 05:53 PM
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16. Yuck.
I feel a little dirty now.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 05:59 PM
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19. How many of them attended the
University of Chicago?
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 06:00 PM
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20. Dan Quayle
:rofl:

Man, that cracks me up every time... :rofl:
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 06:06 PM
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22. The founders of 911.
scum
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 06:27 PM
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24. Infamy. AKA the millenial list of idiots. Nice to have a reminder -- thanks for posting K & R
Edited on Wed Jul-23-08 06:27 PM by glitch
I wonder how many will apologize?

"Sorry, I didn't fully read the manifesto -- God loves morons too!!"
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 06:47 PM
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27. You left off Biden and Feinstein.
A lot of people forget that they signed a PNAC statement.

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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 06:57 PM
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29. K&R Bookmarked!
Thanks!
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 09:21 PM
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30. Additional PNAC signatory: Sen. John McCain
thanks!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 10:06 PM
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33. Thanks for the reminder . . . keep at it --- we need to know and remember==!!
I was also surprised at Madelaine Albright --- !! dumb . . . really dumb . . .
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 10:11 PM
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34. Lee Feinstein & Richard Holbrooke
Clinton ties:

Lee Feinstein

"Hillary's foreign-policy coordinator, Lee Feinstein, a scholar at the Council on Foreign Relations, also says no threats are being made. Feinstein was brought on in August specifically to do "outreach"to bring in foreign-policy experts to counter the Obama recruitment effort. And, he says, there is no cause for jealousy: Hillary has scores of former officials from her husband's administration advising her."
http://www.newsweek.com/id/40772

Richard Holbrooke

"The main Hillary enforcer has been Richard Holbrooke, Bill Clinton's former U.N. ambassador (and an aspiring secretary of State), says a senior adviser to Obama, who would also discuss personnel matters only anonymously. "

{same link as above}

Very interesting list, thanks for posting it....


Peace,

Ghost

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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 08:57 AM
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49. thanks for linking Holbrooke and Lee Feinstein to
their loyalties in the Dem party. Now we can see why the Dem party has been useless. (as a whole)
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 03:11 PM
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67. It looks like killing our Country has been a bi-partisan effort...
It's time to vote ALL the douchebags out...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 10:22 PM
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36. Mc Cain . . . !!! I'd say if you're familiar with the PNAC, this is a filthy list to be on . . !!!
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 10:29 PM
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37. I'm upset, appalled and disgusted to see union leaders on the list.
John Sweeney, Lane Kirkland. WTF is that all about? It's bad enough very few workers are in unions these days, which of course makes it easier for Corporate America to run roughshod over workers, but are the leaders of what unions we do have selling out workers? I must be missing something here.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 12:04 AM
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38. Here is the chart from Right Web which links to the letters and
shows which people signed the different letters.

http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/pnac_chart/p...


FWIW Schumer is not on their list.

:shrug:


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Buck Rabbit Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 12:35 AM
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40. Thanks this is much more informative than the simple list in the OP.
While the original signatures is a mark of shame indeed, the second list are people who signed open letters on various topics that are not necessarily an endorsement of the original PNAC objectives.

Webb signed a letter in support of Taiwan. Biden and other one time signors were on a letter stating we should support democracy in Russia.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 12:53 AM
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42. YW and yes it helps to see what they were supporting...
although I doubt certain people would have associated themselves with PNAC.

Equally, and maybe even more important, is the A Clean Break document which I linked to below.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 01:17 AM
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45. And here's a good article I had bookmarked..
Edited on Thu Jul-24-08 01:17 AM by wildbilln864
a good while back. link :hi:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 10:24 AM
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54. Thanks for that link...
:hi:
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 11:38 AM
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57. you're welcome. nt
:hi:
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 10:41 AM
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76. Another one of those amazing incidences of cosmic synchronicity...
...that surround the official 9/11 conspiracy theory and make it so insulting to anyone of average intelligence or above.

Weiner's article mentions this document, The National Security Strategy of the United States of America, which emerged from the bowels of the NSC in Sept. 2002. Here's the usual PNAC-style rhetoric from the doc's intro section:


We will defend the peace by fighting terrorists and tyrants.We will preserve the peace by building good relations among the great powers. We will extend the peace by encouraging free and open societies on every continent.

Defending our Nation against its enemies is the first and fundamental commitment of the Federal Government. Today, that task has changed dramatically. Enemies in the past needed great armies and great industrial capabilities to endanger America. Now, shadowy networks of individuals can bring great chaos and suffering to our shores for less than it costs to purchase a single tank. Terrorists are organized to penetrate open societies and to turn the power of modern technologies against us.

To defeat this threat we must make use of every tool in our arsenalmilitary power, better homeland defenses, law enforcement, intelligence, and vigorous efforts to cut off terrorist financing. The war against terrorists of global reach is a global enterprise of uncertain duration. America will help nations that need our assistance in combating terror. And America will hold to account nations that are compromised by terror, including those who harbor terrorists because the allies of terror are the enemies of civilization.



Ah yes... those gosh darn enemies of civilization. And we're not even talking about the real perpetrators, terrorists and enemies of civilization who spend their time hanging out at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., plotting new ways to destroy what's left of this country, its people, its laws, its economy, its institutions and its international reputation.

Anyway, two years later, in 2004, we find out that the author of this blueprint for implementing the PNAC "vision" of imperialist expansionism abroad and lock-down totalitarianism at home was none other than good ol' Philip Zelikow, whose next official job was executive director of the 9/11 Commission, where he controlled the day-to-day operations of the commission, deciding who would be interviewed, who would be placed under oath and who wouldn't, what evidence the commission would consider and what would be off limits... only the whole nine yards.

Zelikow's role with the 9/11 commission creates a conflict of interest with his role as author of the paper that justifies the Bushies' new doctrine of preemptive war.

Since "the events of 9/11"(tm) were the catalysts and sole justifications for the attacks on Afghanistan and then Iraq, it was in Zelikow's own best interests to make sure the commission ratified the official conspiracy theory.

Otherwise his work on the preemption doctrine could be seen as a CYA exercise; an effort to make the strikes against the two targets seem to be a result of the new military dogma he wrote about. He needed to make certain that the public bought the idea that the attacks were part of a tragic but inevitable sequence of events driven by escalating tensions and incontrovertible evidence of emerging threats to this country.

Amazing how these fuckers just keep rising from their crypts, roaming the countryside and doing as much damage to all life on earth as they can squeeze in before sunrise sends them scurrying back into the darkness.

What kind of exterminator do you have to hire to rid the planet of these vermin once and for all? Would tenting the White House and pumping in 20X the amount of the pest control industry's standard toxins do the trick? Is there a specific methodology that's proven effective for vampire abatement? Or is the old stake through the heart still the preferred method?

There's got to be something that can end this infestation of dangerous wingnut loons before they really do go down in flames and take the rest of us with them. WW III anyone? A new Cuban missile crisis, only this time with madmen sitting in the White House situation room? Longer-term global ecocide, aided, abetted and cheered on by these slime buckets?

You name it, they're capable of it. Unlike a certain democratic congressional suck-up and PNAC tool who takes her orders from her corporate sugar daddies rather than the people who elected her, nothing's "off the table" for these zealots.


wp
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 12:19 AM
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39. Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, David Wurmser...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strat...

"A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm, commonly referred to as the "Clean Break" report, was prepared in 1996 by a study group led by Richard Perle for Benjamin Netanyahu, the then-Prime Minister of Israel....

Contents

The content of the report is organized into an introduction followed by six sections. The report interleaves within its main commentary text a series of "key passages of a possible speech."


...Among the recommendations made in the introduction are:

A repudiation of the concept of "Land for Peace," which was the basis for the Oslo Accords
Armed incursions into Palestinian areas under the rubric of the "right of hot pursuit"
Armed incursions into Lebanon, and possible strikes against Syria and Iran
A repudiation of the tenets of Labor Zionism, and a change to Economic liberalism
Removal of Suddam Hussein from power in Iraq



A Clean Break:
A New Strategy for Securing the Realm

http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm

"Following is a report prepared by The Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies "Study Group on a New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000." The main substantive ideas in this paper emerge from a discussion in which prominent opinion makers, including Richard Perle, James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser participated. The report, entitled "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm," is the framework for a series of follow-up reports on strategy...


Participants in the Study Group on "A New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000:"

Richard Perle, American Enterprise Institute, Study Group Leader

James Colbert, Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs
Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Johns Hopkins University/SAIS
Douglas Feith, Feith and Zell Associates
Robert Loewenberg, President, Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies
Jonathan Torop, The Washington Institute for Near East Policy
David Wurmser, Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies
Meyrav Wurmser, Johns Hopkins University"


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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 02:51 AM
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46. And also lest we forget...
Edited on Thu Jul-24-08 03:04 AM by Raster

"the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor."

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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 04:23 AM
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48. K & R
:kick:
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 08:59 AM
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50. Timothy Garton Ash signed that?
Edited on Thu Jul-24-08 09:00 AM by nxylas
Mr "Europe Europe uber alles" himself? Most odd. I've long suspected that the mythology of the EU as a kinder, gentler alternative to American wild west capitalism was a PR stunt designed to sell Europeans the same piss in a different bottle. TGA's name on that list would appear to confirm that.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 09:15 AM
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51. Indict them all, infiltrating our system with their filthy neocon wetdreams
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 01:15 PM
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61. Forward this list to the ICC
Nice to know that they are so stupid that they would sign their names to the latest version of Mien Kamph.Makes it a lot easier to figure out who to try for war crimes and crimes against humanity.
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 09:15 AM
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52. K&R
& saved to hard drive.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 10:27 AM
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55. The who's who of blood sucking leeches...
fuck 'em all
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 01:03 PM
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59. Madeline Albright? jeez...n/t
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 01:04 PM
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60. Criminals, the lot of them
n/t
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 01:18 PM
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63. CHUCK SHUMMER; is, as always one of the usual suspects
but always seems to get a free ride by us progressives. I expected to see Di Fi on there but my guess is she along with other Dino's has had her name removed.

Can Paker also stood out as a symbol of the ridiculousness of this deadly cuven of very creepy bastards.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 01:44 PM
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65. Now, compare that list to this one and look at who else is "in the club".
The other list.

Now tell me again how the Democratic power brokers are working in our interests.




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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 12:50 PM
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77. Jean kirkpatrick?
Edited on Fri Jul-25-08 12:57 PM by ooglymoogly
and quell surprise Cliff May.....Woolsey? This is a list of traitors. Zell and Lie-berman and the rest were of course a given.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 12:54 PM
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78. Donna Brazile says it all for me.
I have to laugh every time someone goes off on the "it's all Ralph Nader's fault" rants. Brazile had far more to do with the coup of 2000 than Nader could have dreamed of.

:hi:



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MonteLukast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 02:31 PM
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66. Why is Grover Norquist NOT on that list?
Neither are David Addington, John Yoo, or Alberto Gonzales. Shockers.

But yeah, Madeleine Albright and Chuck Schumer... :banghead:
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 03:34 PM
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68. AND JIM WEBB !
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 01:06 PM
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79. SD ....never mind. nt
Edited on Fri Jul-25-08 01:29 PM by ooglymoogly
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 02:18 PM
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83. Because those people are domestic policy people.
They were responsible for the National Security state and the gulag menatlity here in the Homeland.
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 04:22 PM
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69. It's a Who's Who of Scumbags n/t
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vinylsolution Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 04:42 PM
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70. Glenys Kinnock is a....
Edited on Thu Jul-24-08 04:45 PM by vinylsolution
.... British Labor Party Member of the European Parliament. WTF is she doing on this list??

Interesting to note that George HW Bush's name does not appear on the list. Presumably because he was behind the whole thing from day one....

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 04:46 PM
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71. charles schumer ????????WTF?
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 06:40 PM
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72. How about Jim Webb?
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MikeH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 07:28 PM
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73. I knew Robert Zoellick when I lived in Naperville, Illinois
I did much of my growing up in Naperville, Illinois, and Robert Zoellick lived just half a block from where I did. I knew Robert, his older brother, and his mother. His older brother was a year ahead of me in school, and I was three years ahead of Robert in school.

I remember Naperville being very Republican when I lived there; many people voted for Barry Goldwater in 1964.

Obviously Robert Zoellick has associated himself with and become involved with a bad crowd of people.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 08:31 AM
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74. Naperville is still very Reich-wing
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