Save healhty horses this administration wants to kill -sign petition please

[JimmyJubes]

https://secure2.convio.net/aspca/site/Advocacy?JServSessionIdr009=j82tjcw3v1.app28a&cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=2415


Please sign this petition
Thank you
Jimmy Jubes
www.jimmyjubes.com

[JimmyJubes]

1. PS If you keep any post alive keep this one

I will even take requests not to post anymore posts
Thank you,
Jimmy Jubes
www.jimmyjubes.com

[PatSeg]

2. Kick and Rec

[Daphne08]

3. Done!

[Dissent Is Patriotic]

4. Kick. n/t

[leftchick]

5. thank you!

K&R

[JimmyJubes]

24. well

He who is silent.....;)

[leftchick]

32. indeed

:)

[LibertyLover]

6. Done and thank you for posting this

[JimmyJubes]

23. My pleasure

Thank you.

[TooBigaTent]

7. Unfortunately, you will not get much support on this from this site. Not anymore.

Under the new regime of accepting any and all repuke viewpoints, "mere" animals do not deserve our concern.

It is OK if some people want to prevent animal abuse. But they must not contradict the "everyone is welcome" message from Sen. Obama.

The hunters and medical researchers might get upset.

[Lorien]

8. Done n/t

[LWolf]

9. K n/t

[Kali]

10. stupid policies from beginning to end.

always interesting how folks get worked up about the non-native cattle people make a living from on public lands but think the horsies should be able to overrun the country and be freeeeeee

[Patchuli]

17. I had to read your post

several times but I'm still not clear what you are saying.

The horses have a right to be there. The "non-native cattle people" don't have a right to shove the horses aside to make a buck. Both species are non-native but I don't see how cattle should trump mustangs.

[Kali]

26. not only non-native, but both are DOMESTIC animals bred and "created via human selection.

the difference is that cattle (and sheep) are managed. Feral horses and burros, barely so and some would have them not be at all. Not being able to slaughter or adopt out all the ones captured (and many more then born in captivity), there is no solution. Even if all the cattle were kicked off public lands, unmanaged ("free and wild") feral horses would do exactly what ranchers (and any land agency people involved know) complain about now - overpopulate and trash the local ecosystems.

As for "rights" I don't think so. Humans may decide to include them in management plans because we find them to be aestheically pleasing, but they have no rights, nor should they.

[Patchuli]

28. I don't think so

I completely disagree with you...animals do have rights. It's only because the cattle farmers want to overrun the lands for their bottom dollar. The wild horses could be caught and gelded, etc. and returned to the wild to cut down the population. But to slaughter them (and probably for a profit) is just wrong and sick.

I can live without beef, personally.

[Kali]

30. so they die out naturally in 20 or 30 years?

think catching and gelding wild horses is easy on them? How many are going to have this procedure? How much will that cost? Meanwhile what about the thousands in captivity now? The ones that have become dependant on humans, many having been born in captivity and never experiencing the often extremely harsh conditions out on the rangelands.

Animals do not have legal rights, they have protections under various laws for various things.

[Patchuli]

34. It will thin the herd

and obviously catching and gelding them is not easy on them. It is preferable to slaughter and sending their meat to the disgusting countries that eat horse.

I didn't say anything about "legal rights." I said they have rights. That is my opinion and there is a really good example of why I like animals more than people.

[Runcible Spoon]

36. I'd honestly rather see some of the stallions shot as opposed to rounding them all up....

and shipping them off to starve in pens :cry:

Of course, the best and perhaps not cheapest approach is to tranquilize and geld them. It's done all over the world with various kinds of mammals for many reasons. The only problem is that nobody wants to put any funding behind this, and Bush has slashed BLM funding :grr:

[Patchuli]

44. We're getting rid of *!!

And I think enough of my tax dollars are wasted on things I don't want and don't care about. I think the new administration needs to start taking my (and our) wants into consideration!

[JimmyJubes]

21. There are different causes

One does not negate another. Getting worked up about the killing horses is not wrong not caring is.

[Kali]

27. So what are you going to do with them all?

[Runcible Spoon]

35. adoption programs are extremely effective. unfortunately BLM has had its funding slashed by Bush.

Of course, we can just round them up, ignore them, and hope they all die frozen in their own muck. :grr:

"Federal management of our wild horses has been plagued from the start. Over the years, there have been various disasters. The first one that I know of was in 1977, when about 200 wild horses in a government holding facility in Nevada died because agency personnel failed to clean out their corrals after a series of storms and the muck froze and the animals couldn't move. The horses were buried in mass graves and it was only when photos surfaced in newspapers that the story became known. There have been others since then. To be fair, many horses have been successfully placed through the government's adopt-a-horse program, making their way into partnerships with the right people. But now there are more horses in BLM pipelines than on the range, and they ought to be returned to their home turf, where they belong, rather than a trip to the gallows. Does this mean I am saying there should be no management of wild horse herds? No."

http://www.newsweek.com/id/144279?tid=relatedcl

I wish you could see outside of the issue for a humane way to approach this issue. Horses are not indigenous, but they are feral. Managing herd sizes can be done with a little funding and a lot of heart.

[Kali]

42. adoption programs aren't that effective or there wouldn't be huge facilities full of

unadopted animals now would there?

Slaughter can be done humanely. I don't know what else can be realistically done. People are dumping expensive well-bred horses right now - not many can afford a pet mustang and the sanctuaries are overflowing.

[Runcible Spoon]

45. that's bullshit logic. It takes time and money to get those horses ready.

the adoption programs WORK when funded. expand your logic please.

*on edit: racehorses are LESS appropriate for the average American recreational rider than an adopted mustang in so many ways. They are hardier, calmer, cost less to keep, and have less genetic problems like thin and crumbly hooves and predispositions to problems like nasal bleeding and digestion issues like colic. A mustang has had generations to weed out genetic weakness; purebreds are often bred in spite of them. I know a lot of people who adopted a racehorse and turned right around and sold them back into auction because they didn't know what they were getting into. A mustang that is "green-broke" and adopted out with the help of many existing but underfunded agencies is a better bet than a high-maintenance thoroughbred who was taught to run around in a circle in one direction and not much else. I've been around both kinds of horses and rehabilitated both. I would love to have a mustang, but right now I'm out of the country and can hardly afford the TB I DO have.

[Kali]

49. some of those horses have been there for more than a decade - how long do you think it takes

I'd say a couple weeks, 6 months at the most. No they don't adopt out very fast (or at all). It isn't agency funding keeping them from being adopted, it's peoples LACK of their personal funding. And honestly how many people can do it even if they could afford it?

You said it yourself: "I would love to have a mustang, but right now I'm out of the country and can hardly afford the TB I DO have."

Neither can most people.

And um, there are more than two kinds of horses...???? I'm certainly not saying racehorses are the end all - or that they are better (and personally I would take the mustang any day over some idiot spoiled TB) Mustangs have their advantages, but there are desirable traits that other breeds carry. If mustangs were perfect nobody would have other breeds.

[ceile]

11. done n/t

[bread_and_roses]

12. shrub is my name and killing is my game

that's all the miserable, fraudulent, blood-soaked orc and his spawn of hell handlers/masters/puppeteers know.

[Judi Lynn]

13. Thank you, JimmyJubes, for the chance to add a name. n/t

[JimmyJubes]

20. Thank you!!!!

Thank you.

[KT2000]

14. Kick!

Sure wish this post had more response!

Thanks for posting it.

[JimmyJubes]

22. Me too

But hey even if just one signed it I feel better.

[ellie]

15. Thanks for the link

and here is a kick!

[Runcible Spoon]

16. KnR.

anyone complaining about the cost of taking care of these animals should direct their ire to the big beef ranchers who run out everything else so their PRIVATELY OWNED cattle can eat on PUBLICLY OWNED LAND.

[roguevalley]

18. done.

[JimmyJubes]

19. Thank you!!!!

I thought that when I came back it would be buried. But you guys are awesome.
Please pass it on
Also I posted it on my blog ---which by the way I make no money on whatsoever.----Titled it Profits Are Better Than Life -w/letter from ASPCA.
Hope we can change the world one cause at a time.

[Duppers]

25. done.

nt

[WindRiverMan]

29. This is ALL about energy development!!!!

This is about oil and natural gas. Thousands upon thousands of acres are being turned into well pads every dayout west, thus valuable grazing land is being lost. There is not enough room for the horses, the cattle, and now the oil fiends. The 2005 Energy Act is an abomination of your western lands. Drilling wells everywhere. Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Utah, Nevada...its oil boys and girls. Get the Bush out of there and demand the 2005 Energy Act be repealed.

[Kali]

31. nah this is an old battle

drilling doesn't have much impact on domestic livestock.

[WindRiverMan]

33. Nonsense

I live near the largest natural gas field in the world. You think 25 acre well pads and hundreds of miles of roads don't impact forage? It is an old battle getting worse becasue pasture is being gobbled up to make mega SIMOPS pads for drilling rigs. Google Earth the Jonah Field and then tell me that its not an impact.

[Kali]

43. is there fighting between ranchers and drillers, really?

I guess I just haven't heard about it.

[Runcible Spoon]

38. I don't see how you can substantiate that.

If there are lands out West being fought over for BOTH cattle grazing and energy speculation, the horse is doubly fucked. I really don't see this as so very out of the realm of possibility and probability.

[Kali]

41. I wasn't aware of any major battle between grazers and drillers - got any links?

I know there are 100 year old wells all over the place on rangeland in OK, TX, NM, CA etc...I could be wrong but haven't heard of this.

[Runcible Spoon]

46. I am no expert, all I suggested was it was ridiculous to reject such a possibility outright.

since the poster below suggested it, I'll give him a small benefit of the doubt. In any case, doesn't really get around the point that the horses are fucked, now does it?

[pleah]

37. Done!

[carlyhippy]

39. Done!

It's a tragedy that the govt wants to kill these wonderful and beautiful creatures, they can find the money to take care of them if they wanted to.

[ZombieHorde]

40. I wonder what they will do with the bodies?

Sell them to horse eating countries? That is what I would do, if I decided to kill a bunch of horses for whatever reason.

Uma-niku?

[Runcible Spoon]

47. fuck them if they make a profit from a slaughter. At the very least, recycle the meat for the hungry

HERE. I would rather see those creatures feeding a hungry family here than in the fat belly of some fucking idiot foreigner who won't eat their OWN goddamn horses :grr:

[ZombieHorde]

48. That would be my first choice as well, but the thought of eating horses is not a good one for...

most Americans. I don't think that that plan is realistic. The U.S. already sells horse meat to other countries and it would be a shame to waste the meat.

[OneBlueSky]

50. done . . . kicked and recommended with pleasure . . . n/t