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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 06:24 AM
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Eliot Spitzer Paid So That the Bush Family Carlyle Group Would Not Have To, or The Lies of March
I am going to do something I rarely do. Since the argument I am making is a bit tricky, I will pretend that I am a journalist. Here is the possibility which I would like you to consider. Yes, I know that this sounds like a stretch. That is what all the supporting material that follows is for. Ready?

What if Bear Sterns did not really go bankrupt all by itself but it was nudged that way and JP Morgan was given a bunch of money to buy Bear Sterns in order to cover up the fact that Carlyle Capital, owned by The Carlyle Group of Saudi/James Baker III/Bush Family fame was going belly up after a year of cash infusions. By creating a huge mortgage lending crisis scandal to time with the demise of the Carlyle Group’s own mortgage lending company, the Bush administration could prevent anyone from noticing the fact that Carlyle Capitol defaulted on $16 billion in debt. And also consider the possibility that Eliot Spitzer was targeted by the Bush Department of Justice at the exact same time to prevent anyone in New York State from getting nosy.

Ok, now for some supporting evidence.

Two things happened almost simultaneously back in March of this year. From Greg Palast:

http://www.gregpalast.com/elliot-spitzer-gets-nailed/

This week, Bernanke’s Fed, for the first time in its history, loaned a selected coterie of banks one-fifth of a trillion dollars to guarantee these banks’ mortgage-backed junk bonds. The deluge of public loot was an eye-popping windfall to the very banking predators who have brought two million families to the brink of foreclosure.
Up until Wednesday, there was one single, lonely politician who stood in the way of this creepy little assignation at the bankers’ bordello: Eliot Spitzer.


Palast makes a very convincing argument that Spitzer was a man whom the mortgage lenders----and their partners in crime in the federal government—feared as the their incompetent, perhaps even criminal business practice were about to bear fruit.

Instead of regulating the banks that had run amok, Bush’s regulators went on the warpath against Spitzer and states attempting to stop predatory practices. Making an unprecedented use of the legal power of “federal pre-emption,” Bush-bots ordered the states to NOT enforce their consumer protection laws.
Indeed, the feds actually filed a lawsuit to block Spitzer’s investigation of ugly racial mortgage steering. Bush’s banking buddies were especially steamed that Spitzer hammered bank practices across the nation using New York State laws.


Now consider this article. Ellen Brown suggests that Bear Sterns was never the problem. Instead, JP Morgan was the one in need of the bailout. In order to keep its reputation pristine and give it some cash and more assets, Bear Sterns’ stock was driven down with malicious put options that cost employee stock owners big bucks and tax payers even bigger bucks in loans all to enable JP Morgan to acquire Bear Sterns---loans that will never have to be repaid.

http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/banking-bailout.php

And just look at what they have done with our tax money . Money that they are getting for free, no strings attached. They do not have to promise to be better businessmen or make better loans or stop with the crazy mortgages that no one can possibly pay.

http://socialistworker.org/2008/03/28/who-gets-a-bailout

Even now, Cayne will walk away with more than $16 million while JPMorgan has already reportedly made lucrative offers to hire top Bear bankers and brokers. Under pressure from Bear's board of directors, Morgan sweetened the pot, raising its initial offer of $2 per share to $10 on March 24--again winning praise from Schwartz.
Bear's 14,000 employees, in contrast, have fared poorly. They own an estimated one-third of its total shares, which only last year peaked at $171.50 per share. As Bear sheds half of its workforce, many will face financial ruin. The cost to workers whose pension funds have been invested in Bear Stearns is unknown.


How are such things possible? Our SEC has its head up its ass and the Federal Reserve exists to service the banks. During the Bush administration, most of the honest attempts to hold the investment community accountable for its wrongdoings have come out of the state of New York. But not any more.

Using blackmail information that came from dubious sources (possibly from warrantless wiretaps) and threats of a Mann Act prosecution to take out the Governor of New York who also happens to be the son of a billionaire is a bold move, even for the politicized Bush Department of Justice. That kind of excessive show of force is usually reserved for a personal threat to the Bush Empire. Like Enron. Or a threat to the Carlyle Group.

Bet you did not know that back in 2006 the Carlyle Group decided to jump into the mortgage lending business. Unfortunately, they did not do very well in the mortgage business. Check out this time line, and you will witness the parent company throwing good money after bad all through the second half of 2007.

http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSL1342106820080313

The writing was on the wall. Carlyle Capital was going down. It was just a matter of when. And there was no way that Bush Jr. would be able to give his Daddy’s company a federal bailout, not with the Democrats in control of Congress. This was not going to look good on the business record of Carlyle.

Now, think for a moment. What does the Bush family always do when they are faced with a scandal? They light a fire somewhere else and hope that the smoke from that fire keeps people from seeing the awful truth. This is Papa Bush’s number one way of dealing with any difficult situation, and he has passed it down to Shrub and Karl Rove and Dick Cheney, too.

With that in mind, I will bet you can guess what happened next, even if you do not read the business pages of the Wall Street Journal. At the same time that Eliot Spitzer was being taken out of public life and the feds were handing out $200 billion dollars of our money so that JP Morgan could buy Bear Sterns, the Carlyle Group’s Carlyle Capital made this announcement (but the U.S. mainstream media was gracious enough not to make a big deal about it)

http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSN1651831320080317?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0
NEW YORK/AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Investment company Carlyle Capital Corp CARC.AS said on Sunday its shareholders have voted unanimously in favor of a compulsory winding up.
The company said it will now start winding up and sell its remaining assets under Guernsey law, and NYSE Euronext said that the fund's shares would trade under a separate category as it goes through the process.
snip
Amsterdam-listed Carlyle Capital said on Thursday it has defaulted on $16.6 billion of debt and was unable to reach a deal with lenders.
It said on Wednesday that talks with lenders deteriorated after a decline in the value of its mortgage investments, which it said would result in margin calls of $97.5 million on top of the $400 million it was already facing.


Oops.

Luckily for the Bush Dynasty, Reuters assured us that the Carlyle Group’s reputation would not be damaged by walking away from $16.6 billion in debt .

http://www.reuters.com/article/bankingFinancial/idUSN1361636620080314?sp=true

PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) - U.S. private equity firm Carlyle Group should emerge relatively unscathed by the cratering of affiliate Carlyle Capital Corp CARC.AS (CCC), which invested in mortgage-backed securities and defaulted on about $16.6 billion of debt, analysts said on Thursday.
CCC, a fund listed in Amsterdam, said late on Wednesday that it expected its lenders to seize its remaining residential mortgage-backed securities assets after failing to reach a deal to refinance its debt.
The problems faced by CCC -- the decline in the value of its mortgage investments -- marked another example of the broader global credit crunch instead of a warning sign of trouble ahead for The Carlyle Group , analysts said.
"They don't lose much on a fund like this. It's like when you drop an egg in your kitchen. You just clean it up and throw it away. It's bad if you're the egg, but your kitchen is going to be fine," said Roy Smith, a professor at New York University's Stern School of Business.


You got that? We, the American people, are the eggs. We are disposable.

Anyway, in the course of a single week, Carlyle Capital announced its inevitable collapse, but it was saved from shameful public humiliation and a whole lot of embarrassing questions by the fact that the Bear Sterns/JP Morgan debacle conveniently happened at the exact same time. This meant that Bear Sterns/JP Morgans became the mortgage lending crisis by virtue of the enormous cost to the U.S. taxpayer and the familiarity of the names involved---even though a case has been made that the crisis may have been manufactured or at least artificially precipitated. The Federal Reserve would never investigate and the SEC under Bush would never investigate. The only worry was the state of New York, where Eliot Spitzer was governor---and by some strange coincidence, he was removed from office at the exact same time.

In the end, the Carlyle Group’s reputation is spotless, the executives at Bear Sterns still have jobs, JP Morgan is much richer, nothing has been done to help the “eggs” who are still being smashed on kitchen floors all across America, there is now no court or regulatory body in all the United States where lenders or speculators are held accountable ---

This is Enron style free market capitalism. If you want four more years of it, vote for John McCain and his economic adviser, Phil Gramm.

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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 06:39 AM
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1. Dayum!
You might want to stay away from small aircraft. NICE work!

:wow:

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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 06:53 AM
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2. I Hate Carlyle As Much As Anyone, But...
1. Carlyle Capital's default was not exactly hidden - it was all over the place. A Google on "carlyle capital default" comes back with 198,000 hits!
2. Spitzer laundered money and used it to purchase hookers, with whom he had unprotected sex. And he didn't tell his wife, who could have gotten HIV or other nasty things through this behavior.

I'm at the point these days where I'll at least half-believe any plausible conspiracy theory involving the Bushes. But this doesn't compute.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 07:02 AM
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4. Remember the feds did not charge him with a crime, and they love to prosecute Dems.
Edited on Thu Jul-17-08 07:09 AM by McCamy Taylor
It was mostly a media conviction, driven in large part by the fact that he was a Hillary Clinton SD, which made many members of the news media and the left angry at him. The only criminal activity which the feds ever came up with was the Mann Act charge, and those are almost never prosecuted. Usually prostitution cases are handled by local police. David Vitter is still in the Senate, just for reference.

"Bear Stearns bankruptcy" comes back with 900,000 hits. As I wrote, the Carlyle Group got a lot of smokescreen protection that week. They were lost in the herd. Just part of the trend. The bulk of the Carlyle coverage is clustered in the week of March 14 and is in business journals. The WaPo had a story, but it is not Time Mag. cover story type material. Certainly not 60 Minutes type material. And I could not find any kind of exploration of the subject after the fact.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 07:15 AM
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6. One Defendant Took A Plea Deal The Other Day
I don't know that Spitzer will be charged, but it's not unreasonable for him not to have been charged yet.
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aspergris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 09:54 AM
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11. He was a john
Ime, feds are not going to waste their time prosecuting a john.

Yea, technically, it was "money laundering" but in reality he was just a john.

They nailed him "but good" , he was disgraced, he resigned, etc. Mission accomplished.

Btw, little known fact, but privately operated prostitution in RI (not NY) is technically legal.

Moral: don't launder money, and buy your prostitution in RI!

:)

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 06:59 AM
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3. and this?
Edited on Thu Jul-17-08 07:07 AM by Solly Mack
Carlyle Fund's Assets Seized

The fund's $21.7 billion in assets were exclusively in AAA mortgage-backed securities issued by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, traditionally considered secure and conservative investments, which it was using as collateral against its loans

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/13/AR2008031300061.html

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BigDaddy44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 07:02 AM
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5. Part A: Maybe
Part B: Sorry, Spitzer made his own bed.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 07:16 AM
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7. I don't buy it.
Spitzer was hoisted by his own petard. People do not like hypocrites.
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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 01:25 PM
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18. I don't believe that's what happened at all
David Vitter wasn't charged, why Spitzer? There was some reason they were trying to get rid of him, some reason they had to target him specifically and this supplies what looks to be the answer. It totally fits the BFEE m.o.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 07:49 AM
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8. When our govt. caught Elliot buying female companionship, many
asked why our govt can't catch Osama buying male terrorists? Something is not right!
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 08:34 AM
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9. Great investigating
This is classic Bush Gang. The country didn't learn its lesson with the savings and loan scandal. Now it's 'Groundhog Day'.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 03:02 PM
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19. No one remembers the savings and loan scandal.
I have a horrible feeling this groundhog day is going to last awhile, and without Bill Murray to laugh at either.

A never-ending twilight zone version where interchangeable Bushes always play the lead.
:scared:
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 06:59 AM
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34. Bunch of Pirates
Instead of being at the helm of an armed ship, raiding and looting vessels, they sit at the helm of corporations and governments. The result is the same.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 09:53 AM
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10. What a series of unfortunate events!
I'm sure it's all coincidental and above board.

-Hoot
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 10:24 AM
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12. kicking for justice
nt
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Joe Holmes Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:37 AM
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13. Kind of a stretch.
Why would Carlyle Group current employees including-

1.William Kennard, Clinton Administration FCC chief
2.Arthur Levitt, Clinton Administration SEC Chairman
3.Mack McLarty, Clinton Adminitration White House chief of staff, and
4.Moses Mercado, bundler for Barrack Obama

actively engage in any conspiracy to bring down Gov. Spitzer?
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 12:05 PM
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14. You mean.....
The Bill CLinton who slept on the floor so Poppy Bush could have the only bed aboard the aircraft?
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 12:14 PM
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15. A lot of nice work here I must say, but Spitzer had a lot of people right there in NY who wanted to
"get" him and put him out of action. Any one of a large number of individuals why 'fell victim' to his enforcement actions could have blown the whistle on him.

One thing for sure though, the media understands its bounds and one of them is to tread lightly around anything haveing to do with the activities of the Carlyle group. They very diligently plant hickies all over Republican butts.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 12:42 PM
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16. The usual reminder whenever Carlyle is mentioned: Co-founder was out of CARTER's shop
One David RUBENSTEIN. True, it's always been a wonder why he chose to enhance the already fat fat cats out of the BUSH-RAYGUN gang, instead of enriching other Dems. Jimmy's breast was a virtual nest of vipers: Tweety, Pat CADDELL.

*******QUOTE*******

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3994.htm

.... In a column posted yesterday on Salon.com, Joe Conason writes: "Preferring to avoid public scrutiny for obvious reasons, executives at the Carlyle Group usually say nothing about their firm's connections with the Bush dynasty. But last April 23, Carlyle managing director David Rubenstein spoke quite frankly about the comfy sinecure he provided to George W. Bush more than a decade ago -- and how useless Bush turned out to be. Whether he knew it or not, Rubenstein's remarks to the Los Angeles County Employees Retirement Association were recorded."

Rubenstein said, "We put (Bush) on the board and (he) spent three years. Came to all the meetings. Told a lot of jokes. Not that many clean ones. And after a while I kind of said to him, after about three years - you know, I'm not sure this is really for you. Maybe you should do something else. Because I don't think you're adding that much value to the board. You don't know that much about the company.

Rubenstein continued: "He said, 'Well, I think I'm getting out of this business anyway. And I don't really like it that much. So I'm probably going to resign from the board.' And I said, thanks - didn't think I'd ever see him again. His name is George W. Bush. He became President of the United States. So you know if you said to me, name 25 million people who would maybe be President of the United States, he wouldn't have been in that category. So you never know. Anyway, I haven't been invited to the White House for any things." ....

********UNQUOTE*******
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dsotm-wywh Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 12:48 PM
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17. And where do you think they keep all their money tax-free?
http://www.forbes.com/afxnewslimited/feeds/afx/2008/03/04/afx4725872.html

UBS investment bank director Olivier Sarkozy set to join Carlyle Group -
report 03.04.08, 2:46 AM ET

ZURICH (Thomson Financial) - Olivier Sarkozy, half brother of French president Nicolas Sarkozy, will leave his post as managing director at Swiss banking giant UBS AG's investment banking unit in April, the Wall Street Journal reported.

Sarkozy will become a private-equity investor at Carlyle Group, the newspaper said.

His departure is only the last of a number of high profile cases following the US unit's massive subprime hits since last autumn and the appointment of Morgan Stanley (nyse: MS - news - people ) veteran Jerker Johansson as new chief executive of investment banking.

UBS (nyse: UBS - news - people )' total writedowns related to the subprime markets currently stand at more than 21 bln sfr.

The move is a loss for UBS, where Sarkozy co-headed the investment-banking group that covers financial institutions, the newspaper said.

Since joining UBS from Swiss rival Credit Suisse Group (nyse: CS - news - people ) in 2002, Sarkozy has played a key role in several large financial-services deals, it said.

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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 01:48 AM
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31. This same USB bank?
Postman (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-15-08 05:58 PM
Original message
Super-rich American tax cheats busted in Liechtenstein....
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5378080&page=1

Senator Carl Levin will be holding hearings on Thursday....


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3623924

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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 03:16 PM
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20. On Valentine's Day, 2008, Spitzer accused Bush of causing the sub prime mortgage crisis.
Here is some follow up information about Eliot Spitzer. On Valentines Day, 2008, this editorial which he penned appeared in the Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/13/AR2008021302783.html

Predatory Lenders' Partner in Crime
How the Bush Administration Stopped the States From Stepping In to Help Consumers

Several years ago, state attorneys general and others involved in consumer protection began to notice a marked increase in a range of predatory lending practices by mortgage lenders. Some were misrepresenting the terms of loans, making loans without regard to consumers' ability to repay, making loans with deceptive "teaser" rates that later ballooned astronomically, packing loans with undisclosed charges and fees, or even paying illegal kickbacks. These and other practices, we noticed, were having a devastating effect on home buyers. In addition, the widespread nature of these practices, if left unchecked, threatened our financial markets.

Even though predatory lending was becoming a national problem, the Bush administration looked the other way and did nothing to protect American homeowners. In fact, the government chose instead to align itself with the banks that were victimizing consumers.
Predatory lending was widely understood to present a looming national crisis. This threat was so clear that as New York attorney general, I joined with colleagues in the other 49 states in attempting to fill the void left by the federal government. Individually, and together, state attorneys general of both parties brought litigation or entered into settlements with many subprime lenders that were engaged in predatory lending practices. Several state legislatures, including New York's, enacted laws aimed at curbing such practices.


He then goes on to explain how Bush fought to protect the interests of the predatory lenders by using the federal government to stop states from going after these crooks.

In 2003, during the height of the predatory lending crisis, the OCC invoked a clause from the 1863 National Bank Act to issue formal opinions preempting all state predatory lending laws, thereby rendering them inoperative. The OCC also promulgated new rules that prevented states from enforcing any of their own consumer protection laws against national banks. The federal government's actions were so egregious and so unprecedented that all 50 state attorneys general, and all 50 state banking superintendents, actively fought the new rules.


He concludes by blaming the Bush administration for the subprime mortgage scandal, and in doing so he painted a great big red kick me sign on his back. For in the United States, the name Eliot Spitzer meant the prosecution of corrupt businesses.

That was why, less than a month later, the feds ruined him.

Here is a video at YouTube called “The Assassination of New York Governor Eliot Spitzer”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMo7T9t0Gzk&NR=1

which covers the Washington Post editorial and the peculiar timeline.

If you consider the subprime mortgage industry as it evolved under Bush as a criminal endeavor protected by the federal government, then the Carlyle Group jumped in to the market in 2006 so that it could make a quick buck, too. Sort of like Halliburton jumping into Iraq to make a few easy billion. However, Carlyle Capital did not have what it took to make it in the rough and tough world of predatory lending, and they had to back out before they bled their parent company dry.
Worse, every mortgage company failure was a indictment of the Bush administration, which had created a whole fleet of new Enrons, according to Spitzer. How was the administration going to convince the public to bail out its business buddies without a lot of messy investigations with people like Spitzer demanding accountability?

Luckily, there was Cheney’s domestic spying operation. That was what it was set up for in the first place. Corporate espionage. If Spitzer had any secrets, Cheney would know about them. And the DOJ could exploit them, by leaking it all to the corporate friendly press. That is what it means to have Big Brother snooping on you. It could have been gay porn. It could have been internet gambling. It was a paid girl friend. In France they would call her a "mistress". Big fucking deal compared to the ruined lives of all the people who have lost their life's savings in rip off mortgage scams so that the rick can get richer.

On Valentine’s Day, 2008, Eliot Spitzer sent the nation a love letter, trying to warn us that we were in danger, and what did the nation do? It ignored him and concentrated on the carefully packaged media character assassination which the Bush DOJ presented to the members of the corporate press.

The lengths which the Bush administration went to silence Eliot Spitzer should make us all sit up and listen to his last public message about corporate crime involving the Bush administration.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 04:13 PM
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21. Except Palast is wrong. The bank bailout started last year - not this year.
Already we as a nation have paid out about one trillion dollars to "bailing out," propping up or whatever other euphenism might stand for the fact that the Aermican taxpayer is now allowing for the "socialistic" bailout of all banking insitutions' failures, so that the risk is spread out among the taxpayers and the gains are gotten by the bankers.


Yet another chapter in welfare for the elite.

But it is the American Public's own fault. The Federal Reserve Bank should never have come into existence, because once you have a central bank you have exactly the indebted slavery that Jefferson foretold.

At the time that Spitzer was indicted, there were several entries here at DU saying what your OP is saying.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 04:34 PM
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22. And who would listen to DU? Compared to those who would listen to Spitzer.
If the Gov. of New York had decided to challenge the feds once again about state's rights to regulate predatory lenders when they announced a $200 billion bailout and everyone knew that mortgage lenders were full of shit, who would people have listened to? St. Spitzer of course. So, the feds gave him feet of clay. Maybe they started the wiretaps last year, when they started the bailouts.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 05:54 PM
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23. You might be interested in this video
Edited on Thu Jul-17-08 05:56 PM by truedelphi
Aaron Russo was buddies with Nick Rockefeller and the discussion Russo has here details how there are twelve branches of the Federal reserve bank but that the bank "branch" that is the master bank over the eleven others is the Federal reserve bank in New York City.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5420753830426590918

Spitzer was probably on the list of people that was listened in on nine to ten months before 9/11.

He is someone who has taken a stand against Monsanto, way back in the nineteeen nineties - and you should not take a stand against Monsanto unless you plan on going down.
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Lucky Luciano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 09:12 PM
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24. One thing to say....
Hogwash....I know this business well and this just is not how it works.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 09:14 PM
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25. Best argument for legalizing prostitution I've ever heard.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 09:18 PM
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27. agreed
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:34 PM
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30. The British laws against sodomy were called the "blackmailer's laws"
because they made it so easy for people to blackmail anyone with a bit of money who happened to be gay.

The state keeps certain things like sex, a few harmless recreational drugs and other victimless crimes criminal so that it will always have something that it can pin on everyone, making everyone a potential Enemy of the State, just in case.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 09:18 PM
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26. IIRC, Roger Stone, the uber "College Republican" dirty trickster
boasted about being instrumental in Spitzer's demise. . .
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 10:13 PM
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28. Thanks for reminding us. Stone was one of the youngest of Nixon's plumbers.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 10:19 PM
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29. Bush and bin Laden clans put their $ to work, the Carlyle Way...
Edited on Thu Jul-17-08 10:24 PM by Octafish
Outstanding post, McCamy Taylor.
Because he stood in their way, Spitzer was an enemy of the gang.
The mass-murdering, warmongering traitors have gotten more sophisticated in the actions.

Nowadays, they first destroy a man's reputation, like Spitzer.
Then, if needed, they'll destroy a man's life, like Don Siegelman.
Lastly do they destroy a man, like Jim Hatfield.

In the old days, they'd go straight to the Final Option.



Carlyle's Way

Making a mint inside "the iron triangle" of defense, government, and industry.

By Dan Briody
RED HERRING
January 8, 2002

Like everyone else in the United States, the group stood transfixed as the events of September 11 unfolded. Present were former secretary of defense Frank Carlucci, former secretary of state James Baker III, and representatives of the bin Laden family. This was not some underground presidential bunker or Central Intelligence Agency interrogation room. It was the Ritz-Carlton in Washington, D.C., the plush setting for the annual investor conference of one of the most powerful, well-connected, and secretive companies in the world: the Carlyle Group. And since September 11, this little-known company has become unexpectedly important.

That the Carlyle Group had its conference on America's darkest day was mere coincidence, but there is nothing accidental about the cast of characters that this private-equity powerhouse has assembled in the 14 years since its founding. Among those associated with Carlyle are former U.S. president George Bush Sr., former U.K. prime minister John Major, and former president of the Philippines Fidel Ramos. And Carlyle has counted George Soros, Prince Alwaleed bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz Alsaud of Saudi Arabia, and Osama bin Laden's estranged family among its high-profile clientele. The group has been able to parlay its political clout into a lucrative buyout practice (in other words, purchasing struggling companies, turning them around, and selling them for huge profits)--everything from defense contractors to telecommunications and aerospace companies. It is a kind of ruthless investing made popular by the movie Wall Street, and any industry that relies heavily on government regulation is fair game for Carlyle's brand of access capitalism. Carlyle has established itself as the gatekeeper between private business interests and U.S. defense spending. And as the Carlyle investors watched the World Trade towers go down, the group's prospects went up.

In running what its own marketing literature spookily calls "a vast, interlocking, global network of businesses and investment professionals" that operates within the so-called iron triangle of industry, government, and the military, the Carlyle Group leaves itself open to any number of conflicts of interest and stunning ironies. For example, it is hard to ignore the fact that Osama bin Laden's family members, who renounced their son ten years ago, stood to gain financially from the war being waged against him until late October, when public criticism of the relationship forced them to liquidate their holdings in the firm. Or consider that U.S. president George W. Bush is in a position to make budgetary decisions that could pad his father's bank account. But for the Carlyle Group, walking that narrow line is the art of doing business at the murky intersection of Washington politics, national security, and private capital; mastering it has enabled the group to amass $12 billion in funds under management. But while successful in the traditional private-equity avenue of corporate buyouts, Carlyle has recently set its sites on venture capital with less success. The firm is finding that all the politicians in the world won't help it identify an emerging technology or a winning business model.

MORE…

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/linkscopy/CarlylesWay.html



For bad cause they feared him. Unfortunately, Spitzer was not perfect.

From the sound of things, he didn't have that many friends willing to stand up for him, either.

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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 06:14 AM
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32. please submit this somewhere...
anyone have anygood ideas? I would go HuffPo first and then maybe try TPM?

That's a scoop McCamy... kudos.

K&R.

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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 06:33 AM
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33. This is a result of deregulation and poor enforcement
Edited on Fri Jul-18-08 06:36 AM by Jake3463
of the banking sector since W took office. It's W's fault I agree however the Carlyle group's benefit are a side effect of the entire system and GOP philosophy towards government regulation. They dismantled or didn't enforce the laws put in place after 1929 and are surprised when 1929 appears to be happening all over again. They wanted to get rid of Roosevelt's new deal and have succeeded in parts to doing it. The consequences of this of course is the economy and problems we are having today.

Spitzer was an idiot and a hypocrite. He got what he deserved. I don't care if he had a D next to his name. If you prosecute others for a crime you shouldn't be committin the crime yourself. The fact he had several high profile prostitution stings and put others in jail for an activity he participated in and must have enjoyed himself makes him a scum bag in my book.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 07:31 AM
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35. They play other peoples sex very well..
Edited on Fri Jul-18-08 07:40 AM by higher class
They would want to protect Carlyle before anyone or anything.
We know where Fannie Mae etc is now.
We expect to know more about the fall out and players and can kinda predict.
We know about their ownership of news coverage and their ability to play it.
We know their ethics.
We know how obsessed they are in stealing our money.
We know how they don't care about mere citizens and probably take pleasure in reversing peoples lives if not ruining them.
We know that they can be stupid in their obsessions.
We know that they can be pompous in breaking laws.
It's about 200% plausible.
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