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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 05:06 AM
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Michael Collins: Election Fraud and Tyranny (1) - Featuring Mark Crispin Miller's Latest Expose
Edited on Mon Jul-14-08 06:04 AM by althecat
More marvelous stuff from DUs very own Autorank & the one and only MCM

This story originally published http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0807/S00133.htm
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Michael Collins: Election Fraud and Tyranny - Part 1




Banksy

"Loser Take All: Election Fraud and The Subversion of Democracy, 2000 - 2008"

Mark Crispin Miller (Ed.),
Ig Publishing, Brooklyn, NY


Michael Collins

"Scoop" Independent News
Washington, D.C.


Mark Crispin Miller's new book, "Loser Take All," identifies and analyzes election fraud, the foundation of extremist power in the United States since 2000. Manipulated elections have enabled everything we've experienced from the Iraq war to the current economic meltdown. None of that would have been possible without the ongoing series of "surprise" wins for extremists and their enablers following the outright theft of the 2000 presidential election.

Miller illustrates his overarching analysis with a collection of carefully chosen essays. They map the rise of what key figures on the right and left refer to as tyrannical rule by the Bush - Cheney administration. Through a sequence of critical elections from 2000 on, Miller shows the particular outrages in each that enabled the retention and expansion of power. In doing so, he defines the basis for our current troubles.

A Sequence of Outrages

"Loser Take All" is organized sequentially beginning with the critical election of 2000 through 2006. In addition, we're given predictions of anticipated problems in 2008. Just part of what we learn is how: Gore lost Florida 2000 even before election day; key Georgia voting machines were modified before the stunning losses by Gov. Barnes and Sen. Cleland in 2002; and, Bush won 2004 in the big cities, if you believe the national exit poll. Part 1 of this series covers the 2000, 2002, and 2004 federal elections.

2000 Air and Land Assault

Florida 2000

The Bush ascendancy and the tragedies that followed began with the "shock and awe" of a combined air and land assault worthy of our greatest generals. There were no weapons or troops involved just public officials, various bureaucracies, party operatives, and "the machines."

Lance Dehaven-Smith outlines the cooperation between Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Secretary of State Catherine Harris and the national Republican campaign starting well before the election. A database vendor, DBT, was charged with purging felons from the rolls of Florida voters. Like many states, Florida felons were effectively denied the vote for life. The task consisted of matching felon lists from Florida and other states, most prominently Texas, with names on Florida's registration rolls.

The standards used to match registered voters with the combined list of felons were so loose nearly 91,000 legitimate voters were wrongly eliminated as registered voters. When they showed up to vote, they were told to go home. Before and during the process, the Florida Department of Elections was warned by DBT that the criteria was producing "false positives" - voters tagged as felons who were not true matches with the felons on the lists used.

After the lists were distributed to county boards of elections, several election administrators offered serious warnings about inaccuracies. Nothing was done to correct the errors.

The removal of tens of thousands of legitimate voters from Florida's election rolls before the election sealed candidate Al Gore's fate. More than half of those excluded were minority voters, predominantly black. Given the turnout rates and Gore's huge advantage with black voters, nearly 9 to 1 in Florida, a clean election would have given Al Gore the presidency in 2000.

David B. Moore describes the "air" war against democracy in 2000. The critical moment in the public perception of the campaign came when Fox News called the election in Gore's favor. It didn't matter that Gore won the popular vote. That was not "hot news." What did matter was that Fox declared Bush the winner prematurely.

Wasn't there some sophisticated polling analysis to justify this call? Only if you consider this phrase science: "Jebbie says we got it. Jebbie says we got it." That's what John Ellis, head of the Fox decision team, told his crew shortly after 2:00 am. Why would Fox be getting such an odd message from the Governor of Florida, Jeb ("Jebbie") Bush? Because Ellis was his first cousin. Fox made the call based on Gov. "Jebbie" and created a perceived advantage for Bush that remained unchanged even after Fox withdrew its irresponsible election call two hours later.

For the entire election, Gore had been on the defensive as a result of a media tear down that betrayed news reader and network loyalties to their corporate pay masters. It was the perfect lie to accompany the imperfect crime.

Moore and Dehaven-Smith offer much more in their well written essays, required reading for anyone who wants to know how election 2000 began the process of mindless war and torture and domestic neglect.

2002 Surprise Attack

Barnes, Cleland and Their Stunning "Losses"

Robert Kennedy Jr. tells the compelling story of the 2002 Georgia election where two popular incumbents, with solid leads four days before the election, lost in stunning reversals.


Atlanta Journal Constitution - WSB TV Poll, Nov. 1, 2002
Change from Nov. 1 poll to Election Day.


How could two popular incumbents, in the same state, with leads like these, both experience rarely seen reversals?

Under pressure due to uncounted votes in the 2000 election, the Georgia Secretary of State virtually turned over the election to the state's touch screen e-voting vendor, Diebold. Chris Hood was a Diebold technical consultant who bravely reported that he and others applied a software "patch" to Diebold voting machines just before the election.

This patch was so important that the president of Diebold, Bob Urosevich delivered it in person to Diebold technical personnel in Georgia. State law required that any changes to e-voting machines be cleared by the state. This was not done. When questions were raised after these highly improbable election results, Urosevich claimed the patch simply changed the clock on the voting machines, a claim deemed not serious by whistle blower Hood. The state failed to mount a thorough investigation and the Democrats were largely silent.

This bold move in the Georgia elections was a major alarm that was ignored and dismissed by the press and Democratic leadership.

The Beginning of the End for Don Siegelman

There was another 2002 outrage that also failed to gain the attention of the national media and federal authorities. Larisa Alexandrovna and James H. Gundlach provide the narrative and analytic proof that incumbent Democratic Governor Don Siegelman's 2002 election night win was, in fact, just that. On election eve, state wide results showed that Siegelman taking a narrow victory in a hard fought campaign.

That wasn't good enough for heavily Republican Baldwin County. Election officials there recounted the votes in the very early morning after Election Day. The wee hours recount reduced Siegelman's Baldwin County total from 19,000 to 12, 000 votes, just enough to give the Republican challenger a 3,000 vote victory. Gundlach efficiently deconstructs the improbable election and turns it into a case study of high probability election fraud.

2004 Sealing our Fate

Bush Wins it in the Big Cities

Miller reveals a more sophisticated election theft in 2004 I wrote the chapter, "Election 2004: The Urban Legend" (by Michael Collins, see disclosure*) based on research by Internet poster " anaxarchos " who discovered some remarkable anomalies in the final exit poll for 2004: Bush won reelection in the nation's "big cities" (500,000 > pop.).

The national exit poll is sponsored by the Media Consortium consisting of the Associated Press ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC, and CNN. It provides the acknowledged source of national data on who voted, where, and why. There was great controversy generated by the unintentional release of a late Election Day exit poll showing Kerry winning by 3%. The official version, released the day after the election had Bush winning by 3%.

We examined the official exit poll and discovered data that casts serious doubt on the claimed vote totals. According to the official version of the exit poll:

2004 was not a red versus blue election, as reported. The rural sector in 2000 was 23% of the total vote but in 2004, it was just 16%. Bush total votes were down by two million in 2004 compared to 2000 in that segment. Bush lost significant ground in red states in 2004 and started the election in the hole.

Bush made spectacular gains in "big cities" (pop. 500,000 or greater) going from 26% to 39% of the total votes in that segment. According to the official exit poll, he picked up these gains largely with the help of four million white big city voters, ghosts so to speak, who rose from their graves and other hiding places to hand the election to Bush.

According to the official exit poll, the Bush big city magic took place amidst a 66% increase in big city voter turnout compared to a more modest 16% national turnout increase using reported vote totals.


There was no 66% increase in big city turnout. Actual big city vote totals, available election eve or shortly thereafter, show big city turnout slightly below the national average. The exit poll's 66% turnout increase and the four million white ghosts were the only way to make the poll agree with the election results, neither of which was accurate.

According to the official exits, Bush became the first president to be re-elected while both losing significant ground in his base and, at the same time, making it up in hostile territory, the nation's big cities. The same people who gave us this mess did the exit polling for the 2008 primaries and will conduct the 2008 national exit poll in November.

Electronic Ballot Box Stuffing

On a more pragmatic level, Miller includes two chapters that define how things were done at the state and local level. Activist John R. Brakey was so shocked at what he saw on Election Day 2004, he began gathering extensive data. The more he saw, the more he was convinced that there was systematic election manipulation in Arizona's Legislative District 27 located in Pima County, Arizona.

When the distinguished research physicist David L. Griscom came on the scene, he had more than enough data to demonstrate the specific techniques that switched votes from Kerry to Bush. The model on "how to stuff an electronic ballot box" is sufficiently detailed for application across the nation in case anyone in the government is interested. Credence for The Griscom-Brakey findings was just provided by recent events in Pima County.

Making Nevada Safe for Touch Screens

2004 also featured the state of Nevada as a demonstration project to legitimize the now totally discredited touch screen voting devices. Brad Friedman and Michael Richardson tell us how touch screens were introduced to Nevada with claims of accuracy and federal certification, when neither claim applied. This is a cautionary tale repeated across the country in the era of elections out sourced to vendors and unelected bureaucrats. Ironically, in the gaming capitol of the world, the voting machines were not nearly as secure as the slots.



Bush drive-by at the Jan 20, 2005 inauguration Image


"Mission Accomplished"

By Nov. 2, 2004, the mission of returning the extremists to power and retaining their agenda was complete. The process of distortions began with the smears of Kerry by the "swift boaters," Bush partisans who mounted a relentless campaign against Sen. John F. Kerry. This wasn't new. Marginal groups attacking candidates are common in our elections.

Full cooperation by the mainstream media with the vicious attacks was a first. The worst elements of partisan politics were willingly incorporated into the national dialog by the network talking heads and the shouting cable clones. And they treated it as business as usual instead of an unfair but devastating attack on the core character issue of Sen. Kerry's campaign, his service to the nation.

At the same time, the 2004 reporting of the networks and press consistently ignored the obvious signs of looming election disasters around the country. Coverage of the partisan set up in Ohio for an Election Day melt down was inadequate. Little attention was paid to the biased Department of Justice handling of voting and civil rights violations. And, of course, there had been no correction whatsoever of the problems of Florida 2000, which were characterized by 175,000 spoiled ballots, largely in minority precincts.

When it came time to vote on Nov. 2, 2004, the forces working for a perpetuation of illegitimate power swung into action and sealed our fate without even bothering to consult us. We were guaranteed four more years of decline and debasement, all enabled through election fraud on a scale never seen. It became the new business as usual with a bonus of more war, more torture, and a yet to be delivered economic melt down that would affect us all.

Miller's latest effort bears witness to his ability to inspire others to investigation and action after looking into the abyss of extremist corruption that he has observed so well in the past.

He provides an elegant framework for the collection of essays with his ongoing commentary forming the articles into a persuasive whole. If you want to understand how the tragedy of the last eight years began and developed into the current crisis, this book is one of your key resources.

In part 2 of this series, we'll see how "Loser Take All" unmasks the real surprise of the 2006 elections and provides a cogent warning about what awaits us in 2008.

END

Permission granted to reproduce in whole or part with attribution of authorship, a link to this article, and acknowledgement of images.


* Disclosure: I received no payment for the use of "Urban Legend: The 2004 Election" in "Loser Take All" and I do not receive any financial benefit from book sales or other uses of the material provided.

"Loser Take All" contributors:

Larisa Alexandrovna * Michael Collins * Lance deHaven-Smith * Bob Fitrakis * Brad Freidman * David L. Griscom * James H. Gundlach * Jane Kaczmarek * Robert F. Kennedy Jr. * Paul Lehto * David W. Moore * Bruce O'Dell * Steven Rosenfeld * Michael Richardson * Jonathan Simon * Nancy Tobi

*************


This story originally published http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0807/S00133.htm
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And please if you like this KnR it.

:kick:

Althecat


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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 06:04 AM
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1. Gnight kick...
:kick:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 07:03 AM
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2. Why am I up this early?
This is a record. It looks great. MCM has done another service to the country, one forfeited by
corporate media and others.

2008 is critical. The forces of the extreme right cannot be allowed to take this one.
Unacceptable.

Obama offers a unique challenge to the vote villains. It's called massive turnout.
If the campaign focuses on Virginia and Georgia the way they said they were, Ohio and Florida
are less of a big drama because those two states will.

Turnout, turnout, turnout - The New Electoral Math: Obama Wins
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 07:23 AM
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3. IMO. Turnout is not a problem, its the massive voter relocation (foreclosures, floods, etc) combined
with voting precinct changes, consolidations, etc. and efforts to consolidate reporting at the local levels that needs watching.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 08:12 AM
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7. That's absolutely correct. Turnout means massive registrations.
Edited on Mon Jul-14-08 08:12 AM by autorank
And you are dead on with the foreclosures. 40% minority, real targets for 'caging' - those non
forwardable letters that are 'proof' when the challenge goes down. There are ways arounnd it with
the right registration drives. The reason I like Virginia as an example is is just happened. There
was GOTV but not enough to account for the 100% plus increase in primary voting. In other words,
Virginia and other states were simply voters turning out, voters who show up for the general or some
elections qualifying themselves as registered. You put together a real campaign, which they
are, and that goes off the charts.

It requires a whole new level of election fraud to stop that.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 12:07 PM
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14. K & R'ed.
Coffee just taking effect. So is it true AutoRank, that Crispin Miller is citing your work on the cities in his book?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 07:30 AM
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4. Rec'd. Massive turnout seems to be the only way Dems won't be
robbed-again. I've got high hopes.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 07:44 AM
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5. That will happen
(regardless of any give or take here ;)

Virginia had massive turnout increases. These were largely people who don't vote on a regular basis,
people the party hasn't motivated for years. They showed up in the big mid-Atlantic push and they're
waiting to do it again. It's unalterable. They're pissed off and they're just listening to themselves.

The link above explains what I saw and apparently what the Obama campaign saw some time ago but announced just recently - GA and VA are key to their strategy. I hope they do it in NC and SC too.

Turnout turnout turnout
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 08:23 AM
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9. Agreed. I have a strong sense that voters are ready to do their part. Vote protection
and voting integrity is the name of the game now.
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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 07:52 AM
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6. Another early riser KnR.
Mornin' Auto! :donut:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 08:13 AM
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8. Morning to you!
Edited on Mon Jul-14-08 08:14 AM by autorank
I'm not mad, just a little disappointed ;) in the whole damn election mess, which should have been
fixed about 7 years ago... But wait, we got Help America Vote acting as a solution. Sorry

We've been down so long, it seems like up (Richard Farina, I think)
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 09:06 AM
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10. K & R
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 09:06 AM
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11. Just what the doctor ordered. Highest possible Recs!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 08:13 PM
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24. Hey Steve
Edited on Mon Jul-14-08 08:13 PM by autorank
Aren't you glad we took each other off of the ignore list ;)

All the techniques are on the table. They'll have to think up something new. I'm sure
they're working on it. So are we.

:toast:
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 09:38 AM
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12. Wow
K & R
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:55 AM
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13. Apparently repetition is going to have to be...
the way to get the word out here.

Over and over.

Eventually it will stick.

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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 04:22 PM
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18. Here's a great image....
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 01:47 PM
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15. Kicked and Highly Recommended!!!

Wake Up America! :kick:

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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 02:19 PM
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16. "Full cooperation by the mainstream media with the vicious attacks was a first."
but what stopped Kerry from being the one to complain about this? Kerry could have demanded time in CNN (who aired most of the Swiftboat liars stuff) but "ignored" the relentless lying attacks for what Schrum said were "strategic" reasons. Who's strategy? Then Kerry concededs without contesting Ohio and refuses to participate in the suits brought by Nader against Ohio. My point is this may be worse than even what Miller documents.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 04:26 PM
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19. Miller discussed this with John Kerry...
http://www.democracynow.org/2005/11/4/mark_crispin_mill...

Mark Crispin Miller: Kerry Told Me He Now Thinks the Election Was Stolen
New York University professor and author Mark Crispin Miller says in an interview on Democracy Now!: Kerry] told me he now thinks the election was stolen. He says he doesnt believe he is the person that can be out in front because of the sour grapes question. But he said he believes it was stolen. He says he argues with his democratic colleagues on the hill. He said he had a fight with Christopher Dodd because he said theres questions about the voting machines and Dodd was angry.

extracts

"Speaking of John Kerry, I have some news for you. On Friday, this last Friday night, I arranged to meet Senator Kerry at a fundraiser to give him a copy of my book. He told me he now thinks the election was stolen. He said he doesnt believe that he is the person who can go out front on the issue, because of the sour grapes, you know, question. But he said he believes it was stolen. He says he argues about this with his Democratic colleagues on the Hill. He had just had a big fight with Christopher Dodd about it, because he said, you know, Theres this stuff about the voting machines; theyre really questionable. And Dodd was angry. I dont want to hear about it, you know, I looked into it. Theres nothing there.

AMY GOODMAN: Did Senator Kerry say, when he said on Friday night, according to you, that he does think the election was stolen, did he say why he raced out the next day after, for months, the Democratic candidates had assured the voters that they would make sure every vote was counted? I mean, Mark Hertsgaard says in his own piece in Mother Jones, It didnt help that Kerry conceded immediately, despite questions about Ohio. The American press is less an independent truth seeker than a transmission belt for opinions of movers and shakers in Washington. If the Democratic candidate wasnt going to cry foul, the press certainly wasnt going to do it for him.

MARK CRISPIN MILLER: Well, thats true. That was a real body blow to the democratic system, and it demoralized a lot of people when Kerry pulled out. Its hard to forgive him for that. Why did he do it? Well, according to my evidence and Ive got this in Fooled Again, Kerry was swayed by the brain trust around him. These are people like, you know, Bob Shrum, Mary Beth Cahilltheyre, you know, Democratic Party war horses. I dont think they have a stellar record of winning campaigns, and I dont really understand how it is that they were hired to do this, but they persuaded him up in Marthas Vineyard that he should pull out, otherwise, he told John Edwards in his call, Kerry said, They say that if I dont pull out, they are going to call us sore losers, as if theres

MARK HERTSGAARD: I think Mark Crispin Miller has given us a major news flash here and kind of buried the lead. If Kerry thinks that the election was stolen, that is big, big news. And I think that it is very unfortunate that it took him 12 months to come around to that conclusion, because, you know, I want to stress this. In my pieceIm an investigative journalist. I am going to deal with the facts, and Im sorry, I am going to be kind of picky about the facts. Thats my business. But at the conclusion of the piece, I say repeatedly, it is smelly what happened in Ohio. It is entirely plausible that this election was stolen, and above all, that what we need is a real investigation both by the mainstream media and especially by people with subpoena power.

John Conyers, God bless him for pushing his own investigation, but he was stonewalled by Ken Blackwell, the Secretary of State of Ohio and other officials, including the Triad Computer Company, who basically refused to answer his questions. Had he or another agency with subpoena power should go back and get that, because I agree with Mark entirely. Look, this is the essence of our democracy. We deserve to have a persuasive answer to what happened in 2004. We probably would have gotten it if Kerry had shown the courage to say, on Election Dayon the day after Election Day a year ago what he apparently told Mark Crispin Miller the other night. If he had said then that I suspect this election was stolen, believe me, even the corporate media would have investigated this. Its too juicy a story, but because Kerry dropped the ball there, you know, its now a year later, and its only the outsiders who are talking about it.

AMY GOODMAN: Are you saying, Mark Crispin Miller, that John Edwards didnt want to concede?

MARK CRISPIN MILLER: Absolutely not. I spoke to someone, a relative of his who was with him when the phone call came from Kerry. This is this in the book, Fooled Again. Kerry called him on the cell phone, and dont forget that Edwards himself, four hours before, had just been on national TV promising righteously to count every vote, got a big hand. Now he felt he was being made to look like a fool, and he argued with Kerry vehemently. He said, Its too soon, you know. Wait. Kerry, you know, said this thing about how they will call us sore losers, as if thats worse than the country, you know, going fascist, whatever. And Edwards said quite understandably, So what? You know, So what if they call us sore losers? I mean, they are going to call them names in any case. But its true, Mark is right, Kerrys caving in like that gave an enormous gift to the right wing. They could now claim, Well, even their candidate doesnt think it was stolen. And they left, you know, the American people hanging out to dry there.


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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 04:42 PM
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20. thanks for that
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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 09:55 PM
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28. Edwards for AG
This just makes me even more certain that John Edwards would be absolutely the best Attorney General in the Obama Administration. I used to want Robert F. Kennedy Jr., and I'd still support him; but I think Edwards would fit perfectly.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:10 PM
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30. Kerry, the decorated Vietnam vet, was afraid they were going to call him and Edwards sore losers!!
If that isn't the biggest crock of shit, I don't know what is.

John Kerry, who as a United States Senator, had seen up close and personal how Bush's fascists were taking over the country and destroying our democracy. Remember, Democrats were in the minority in BOTH houses of Congress then. The man who was running for the highest office in the United States of America and the most powerful position possibly in the world. This man actually bowed out of the Presidential race without contesting voter fraud that was already being speculated upon because of the disparity between the exit polls and the election results. This man GAVE GEORGE W. BUSH HIS SECOND TERM without so much as a complaint.

I hate to say this, but either this is pure fabrication or Kerry took a dive.

I heard Mark Crispin Miller speak a couple of years ago and he essentially told how Kerry got pissy with him when Miller tried to talk to him about the election fraud shortly after the election. I guess he had a "road-to-Damascus" style conversion somewhere between then and his 180 turnaround.

No fuckin wonder we Democrats can't get power in this country. That is pathetic.

And everybody who thinks that a huge turnout is going to change anything is crazy. These fascist Repig bastards have been working on undermining this election for more than eight years. And WTF OUR DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS HAS BEEN HELPING THEM. We can't even get them to pass an election law requiring voting machines that produce a paper trail.

If you want to read more about this and see how it's being facilitated by high-ranking Democrats, read Armed Madhouse by Greg Pallast. Be prepared to be very disgusted and angry.

Enough ranting from me. The question is: knowing that all of this has occurred in the last two elections, what are our Democratic leaders doing to prevent it in the '08 election?? Somebody please give me a comforting answer.


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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 08:12 PM
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23. Preach brother!
"strategic reasons" - If Kerry had slammed these guys for being the swift liars, he would have
carried the day, more so than he did.

"My point is this may be worse than even what Miller documents." YES

That's the real election fraud - a contest carried out according to rules that defy the urgency
we experience as a nation and individuals; by a political class that has little or nothing to lose
because of their privilege; socialism for the rich, free enterprise for the rest of us.

This isn't a point about Kerry specifically, who I voted for, worked for, and to whom gave a few bucks. It's about the entire system. Failing to address the real issues represents a fraudulent election.

We're facing extinction as a species due to climate change. Anybody talking about that?

Bush-Cheney and their crew started a war that was guaranteed to cause massive civil strife.
One million plus dead Iraqi civilians are dead due to that strife, 5.0 million are orphaned.
Any body talking about that. It's huge and the much of the world knows about this.

Speculators jack up the price of oil and corner the market on heating oil for the North East.
This is possible due to a loophole created by Phil Graham, McBush's campaign manager. But
what's the issue with Graham - he called us whiners. How about the fact that the loophole
can be closed tomorrow and prices will plummet. Where's the action there? Where's the discussion
and debate?

The biggest issues just fade to black while trivia about this or that is pushed forward.

Let's hope that there's a record turnout increase, well above the 16% from last election and
there's simply no option to steal anything.

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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 04:08 PM
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17. Good Morning... tis 9am in NZ - are there any other reviews of the book online yet?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 08:00 PM
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22. Hoist the mainsail. We're headed for Isle Saint Marie!

Mark did a great thing with this volume. He acknowledged CITIZENS as contributors to the most
fundamental task that occurs in a democracy, citizens as critics, analysts, and watch dogs.

:toast:Three cheers for Miller :toast:
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:30 AM
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35. I saw two on Amazon.com, both favorable, high stars.
I was there buying the book.
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DeeDeeNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 07:05 PM
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21. K & R
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 08:36 PM
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25. Kicking it for AutoRank and MCollins! :)
:kick:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 09:14 PM
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26. The two of them thank you!!!!
Ola cat_girl25!

:hi:
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garthranzz Donating Member (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 09:20 PM
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27. ELECTION FRAUD - THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT STORY OF THE LAST 8 YEARS

and perhaps the most unreported.

There were those who knew that '04 was stolen months before the election, and because of Eisenhower's (!) military-industrial complex, metastasized into the military-"information" complex, nothing could be done about it.

MCM is right - Obama will need a 10% or more landslide to win. Already the false narratives (young people won't vote) are floating.
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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 09:59 PM
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29. You can see it happening already
The media is pushing Obama backwards, and McLame forwards. The majority of the nation believes this horseshit. And it's going to be a self-fulfilling prophesy if we don't donate more money and get more involved now.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:36 PM
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32. They've destoyed all confidence in any numbers, including their own . . .
I don't see why anyone is even tuning in for this garbage . . . ???
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:34 PM
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31. Americans have to understand that this has been going on since the mid-1960's . . .
when the computer counters began coming in and "media" were using them for the counts . . .

some were suspicious --- and some investigated ---

See http://www.constitution.org/vote/votescam__.htm

So like 9/11, we don't exactly have an innocent "media."

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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:07 AM
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33. K&R for longevity of the thread. Will read later! nt
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:09 AM
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34. Reporting for duty, sir!
:patriot:

K&R, for excellent work, done in conjunction with other excellent people.

:yourock:
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 05:12 AM
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36. k
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 07:56 AM
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37. kick (and would recommend but too late)
I aujthored a royalty-free chapter in this book, along with Michael Collins, Larisa Alexandrovna, RFK, Jr, and others....
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 03:23 PM
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38. ..
:kick:
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 04:23 PM
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39. errraaa...
:kick:
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 02:26 AM
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40. Why not.....
:kick:
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