No one deserves to die in pain.

[amitten]

That's all.

[PresidentObama]

1. Agreed. No matter WHO it is.

[EbenezerMcIntosh]

2. "Deserve" has got nuthin' to do with it.

Quote from "Unforgiven." We all have it comin', kid.

[Gman]

3. Colon cancer is one of the most excruciatingly painful ways to die

no one deserves that. You spend your last 6 months to 1 year on morphine. Once you start on morphine, they tell you you'll be on it the rest of your life. The pain gets worse, the doctor increases the prescription strength of the morphine. More pain, more morphine. Chemo, radiation then they tell you there's nothing more they can do. They tell you to go home and be as comfortable as you can be. More pain, more morphine, then you die.

[Radio_Lady]

8. A sad ending for any human being. My ex-husband had bladder and lung cancer.

He got the news on his birthday, March 23, 2006, and he died on December 1, 2006, our grandson's birthday. Solomon turned six years old the day his grandfather died.

We had many fights over our divorce, common property, custody issues, and child support. However, when he died, I was quite traumatized by the descriptions of a death from cancer.

I know little or nothing about Tony Snow's family, but whoever they are and whatever political views they hold -- our common nature gives us a chance to at least sympathize over this or any other death.

[EFerrari]

47. Someone in my family has just been DXd with colon cancer.

I'm so tired of losing my friends and family to cancer. Don't know how many more times I can do this.

[Fovea]

4. One step farther.

No one deserves to live in pain, either.

[alarimer]

18. Yet Snow was among those Republicans who refuse the call for universal heath care.

He had great health care, all the treatments that were possible for someone in his condition. We should save our pity for those uninsured millions who WILL die painfully because Republican assholes like Tony refuse to consider that health care is a basic human right.

[amitten]

21. I pity anyone who dies in such pain. I don't care who.

And Tony was not a policy maker--his opinions never killed anyone.

[Th1onein]

31. HELLO? WAKE UP!

Tony Snow HAD excellent healthcare, so he probably DID NOT die in pain. However, he would condemn the rest of us, who aren't lucky enough to have that kind of healthcare, to die in pain.

Get it NOW?

[Pamela Troy]

32. Uh, no.

Having excellent healthcare does not guarantee that you will die without pain.

You do know that, right?

[Th1onein]

34. It DOES guarantee that you will have excellent pain management!

I'm sure that Mr. Snow had the best that money could buy, when it came to pain management. Ulike the rest of us plebes.

[Pamela Troy]

35. So what?

Death by colon cancer is not someone I'd wish on anyone -- even anyone with access to excellent pain management.

The title of this thread is correct. Nobody deserves to die in pain.

[leftofthedial]

5. really?

hmm.

[Pamela Troy]

33. Really.

[JI7]

6. i just read that Snow's mother died of Colon Cancer when he was 17

that must have made it even harder dealing with it since he knew what could happen and how painful it is not just for him but family.

he was married for about 20 years so his kids are either about the same age or younger.

[Radio_Lady]

9. My goodness. With that history, they should have been screening him more aggressively.

How sad. This happened to Katie Couric's young husband also.

[Clovis Sangrail]

7. disagree

there are many who are richly deserving of death ... and some who are richly deserving of slow painful ones.

That doesn't mean I would choose for somebody to die that way, but with some people I'm not going to be bothered in the slightest, and I might comment on how karma caught up with them.

[LeftyFingerPop]

10. What a fucking hero.

[MonkeyFunk]

11. No matter what he was in life

he's only one thing now, and that's dead. It seems silly to keep hating him because you disagreed with his politics.

[SeattleGirl]

15. Word.

[Clovis Sangrail]

20. nice ASSumption there mf

I didn't metion anybody specically, I didn't say anything about feeling that way because I "disagree with their politics", and I didn't say anything about "hating" anybody.
Your assumptions about how I feel and attributing words/feelings to me are insulting.

Since were assuming, though, what should I assume about you?
... should I base it on what you have or haven't said?

[MonkeyFunk]

26. relax

it was a generic "you".

If you don't like brussels sprouts, you shouldn't eat them. That's true no matter how YOU as an individual feel about brussels sprouts.

I'm sure you've seen the word used that way before.

[Clovis Sangrail]

29. I apologize if I mistook your comment

as it was a reply to me I *ass*umed it was directed at me in particular.

;)

[leftofthedial]

27. unless we ensure the record is made clear,

the subsequent fascist functionaries will just continue getting worse.

by allowing the crimes to die with the person, we allow the evil ones to set a new threshold for evil. then the next wave of scum just ratchets it a little (or alot) further.

they did it with raygun, with lee atwater, with william j casey . . .

the truth didn't die. a neocon thug did. don't let them kill the truth and bury it with the corpse of their dead soldier.

[KurtNYC]

13. when you say "karma" it seems to assume that life is fair

it isn't.

[skooooo]

46. Not life..

...the universe. If you believe in Karma, you almost have to believe that this one life isn't the be all and end all.

Not saying whether I agree with that or not, just saying.

[KurtNYC]

48. the universe could be fair in the aggregate but sure isn't fair

in the individual

[amitten]

22. Well, unless you've directly caused someone to die slowly and

painfully, you didn't earn that "karma".

This man never did anything to directly change policies or hurt people. He was a mouthpiece only.

[Clovis Sangrail]

30. I didn't say I thought that way about Tony Snow

he was a piece of shit, but I don't think he earned that either.

some people, however, do deserve to die in excruciating pain
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/06/nyregion/06rape.html?ex=1370491200&en=bc60cf51266f5a15&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

[dawgman]

12. A co-workers brother in law

recently decided to end his life due to chronic pain.

After numerous joint replacement surgeries and chronic, debilitating arthritis that had left him semi-ambulatory and with constant visits to the chronic pain specialists.

He shot himself in the head with a .38 and was found by his 13 year old step-son.

People, even Tony Snow, should be able to choose the death they want and avoid having to put their families and themselves through things like this.

[Gman]

17. Hunter S Thompson killed himself over chronic pain

[dysfunctional press]

38. if it comes to that point, so will i.

if something happens societally that prevents me from being able to medicate my pain, i'm outta here.

[SeattleGirl]

14. I couldn't agree more

There are some things in life I would never wish on anyone.

Dying in pain is one of them.

[MrSlayer]

16. I don't know about that.

There most certainly are people that deserve to die horrible deaths in agonizing pain. I must disagree.

[amitten]

23. Well, someone might think the same of you. But it doesn't make

it so.

[Pamela Troy]

28. Hitler, Stalin and Pinochet disagree too.

You're in good company.

[arcadian]

19. "deserves" doesn't even play into it.

Simply, some people die in pain and some people don't. Are you saying you are going to start a crusade to end all pain and suffering in the world? Good luck with that. And how do you know he died in pain?

[amitten]

24. No one wtih cancer gets out of the pain. It is excruciating.

Even almost deadly amounts of morphine don't quell the pain. I've had several relatives die this way, and I wouldn't wish it on any living being. If Tony didn't die in pain, he most certainly was in pain prior to death.

[Greyhound]

25. Yet nearly all of us will. n/t

[exothermic]

36. Maybe not but some deserve to live that way

:shrug:

[Pamela Troy]

37. And you figure you know exactly who these people are?

The notion that some people "deserve" to suffer excruciating pain or die painfully was what made the policies of people like Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Rios Montt, etc. what they were.

[dysfunctional press]

39. actually no one deserves to LIVE in pain.

nt

[Imagevision]

40. No one derserves to blow their brains out because of war either...

[Fox Mulder]

41. Except those who deserve it.

[Pamela Troy]

42. And those would be...?

[Fox Mulder]

43. I'm not going to bait you.

You're obviously around to cause trouble.

[Pamela Troy]

44. Actually, I'm just endlessly curious about the rationalizations people offer

for despicable behavior.

You don't want to examine your own premises real closely, do you?

[Lars39]

45. Tony Snow probably had excellent hospice care.

Which means he was on oxycontin. Given right, you don't die in pain with oxycontin.