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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 01:37 AM
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Now we know how badly Fitz wants Cheney: Cheney's Suspected Role in Security Breach Drove Fitzgerald
WP: BEHIND THE PROSECUTION
Cheney's Suspected Role in Security Breach Drove Fitzgerald
By R. Jeffrey Smith
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, March 7, 2007; Page A06


Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald speaks to reporters about I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby's guilty verdict. Fitzgerald said Libby's lies kept him from learning about Vice President Cheney's actions in the administration's campaign to undermine Valerie Plame's husband. (By Gerald Martineau-WP)

In a small room on the third floor of the D.C. federal courthouse in late March 2004, Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald stood before I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby and asked him three separate times whether his boss, Vice President Cheney, had discussed telling reporters that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA.

The question was not insignificant for Fitzgerald, who saw his mission as revealing the full chain of events behind the security breach involving Plame's work as an undercover CIA officer. Fitzgerald was unconvinced by Libby's response that even though he "may have" had such a conversation with Cheney, it probably occurred after Plame's identity had been revealed in a newspaper column.

Fitzgerald would respond with great frustration in his summation at Libby's trial almost three years later, saying that Libby's lies had effectively prevented him from learning about all of Cheney's actions in the administration's campaign to undermine Plame's husband, Joseph C. Wilson IV, a critic of the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

More than he had previously, Fitzgerald made clear in those remarks that his search for the truth about Cheney was a key ambition in his probe and that his inability to get it was a key provocation for Libby's indictment. Although Cheney was the target, Fitzgerald's investigation could not reach him because of Libby's duplicity....

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At the trial's close, Fitzgerald expressed his concern in unusually blunt terms. After Libby's lawyers complained that he was trying to put a "cloud" over Cheney without evidence to back it up, Fitzgerald told the jury on Feb. 20, "We'll talk straight."

There was, he said, "a cloud over what the vice president did" during the period before Novak's column was published, and it was created by testimony about Cheney directing Libby and others at the White House to disseminate information on Wilson and Wilson's criticisms.

"We didn't put that cloud there. That cloud remains because the defendant obstructed justice and lied about what happened," Fitzgerald added....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/06/AR2007030601969.html
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 01:48 AM
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1. Mr. Libby, how badly do you want to be the fall guy?
>More than he had previously, Fitzgerald made clear in those remarks that his search for the truth about Cheney was a key ambition in his probe and that his inability to get it was a key provocation for Libby's indictment. Although Cheney was the target, Fitzgerald's investigation could not reach him because of Libby's duplicity....<

If anyone here is interested in reading Mr. Fitzgerald's summation, please click on the following. It's a thing of beauty.

http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/20/libby-live-fitzgeralds-rebuttal/#comments

http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/20/libby-live-fitzgeralds-rebuttal-two/

Sing, Scooter, sing. Sing for the future of your country.

Julie


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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 01:54 AM
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2. Thanks for your post, and the links to Fitz's summation! nt
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 09:56 AM
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3. a.m. kick
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 10:29 AM
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4. 2 things:
1) Libby is willing to take the fall for a big pay day and a pardon.

2) Because the obstruction was so complete Fitz was unable to go
after where the case should have led ... Cheney.

So now the ball is in John Conyers' court. This must be followed up
with with a total investigation by the House Judiciary Committee.
Lying to start a war, outing a CIA agent who was keeping us safe from
real WMDs, and using a compliant media to cover these crimes all of
which cross the threshold for high crimes and misdemeanors.

I hope the Wilson/Plame civil suit results in more information coming out
and we can put an end to this group of thugs.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 11:00 AM
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6. John Conyers' court...
As I mentioned yesterday in another thread, it is now incumbent upon Fitzgerald to give Conyers his files on the entire investigation, so that the House Judiciary Committee can follow through on an investigation into the impeachment of Cheney. If it starts now we may be rid of Cheney within the year. If not, we may be stuck with Cheney for another 2 years.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 11:23 AM
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10. Fitz can not give any information to Conyers that was not discussed ...
... in open court. Fitz is not an agent of Congress and as such he
must operate with restricted parameters.

But there is tons of stuff that was discussed in open court that
Conyers is able to have. John Conyers also has subpoena powers
now (unlike Ohio 2004).
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 02:47 PM
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24. He has a 3pm hearing today on Election Irregularities. Sure wish he's subpoena Blackwell
Do you believe Blackwell now has a talk show on our old AAR station. Pisses me off.

I believe I read that Conyers could subpena Fitz to reveal other info.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 03:06 PM
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38. Is it a call in show?
:evilgrin:
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 10:33 AM
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5. kick
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 11:06 AM
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7. Am I missing something?
Was asking Libby the only way to get to Cheney? If his target was Cheney, shouldn't he be looking for another line of evidence?

Not to denigrate what he has accomplished. Just confused. :crazy:
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 11:12 AM
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8. I believe he has another line of evidence on Cheney but Fitz is meticulous
and obsessive about making sure he has everything that he needs before he will bring charges. When he brings charges, he KNOWS he is going to win most or all of it. I believe he needs a bit more information, evidence, informants before he can/will go forward. What's he waiting for? I would guess he is waiting for Libby to cut a deal and spill the beans, the Wilson's civil suit to uncover some of it, and/or a Congressional investigation.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 11:22 AM
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9. Thanks
Edited on Wed Mar-07-07 11:23 AM by wryter2000
:hi:

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WhaTHellsgoingonhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 11:25 AM
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11. How long before Gonzales relieves Fitz of his duties...
Edited on Wed Mar-07-07 11:26 AM by WhaTHellsgoingonhere
...and replaces him with a Rovian hack?
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 02:43 PM
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22. Just a little bit sooner than they are all impeached.
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xkenx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 11:35 AM
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49. Probably soon, unless they are actually happy Fitz didn't go further.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 11:32 AM
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14. But isn't Libby's credibility shot now?
How can you get a convicted perjurer to testify for the prosecution? The Defense (i.e. cheney's defense) could impeach scooter's testimony that way.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 11:33 AM
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15. Not gonna happen. Libby will wait dutifully for his pardon and rewards. Then, end of story. nt
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Loge23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 03:15 PM
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27. agreed - with regret (eom)
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exlrrp Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 10:06 AM
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31. Agreed: If Fitz was after Cheney we'd know by now
This is as far as it goes--this is Fitzmas--and what a disappointment it is.
Fitzgherald never went after Chneye or how the war was sold, or anything really important.
This is the end of it for Cheney and this is the most ridiculous part of it:
"...Fitzgerald would respond with great frustration in his summation at Libby's trial almost three years later, saying that Libby's lies had effectively prevented him from learning about all of Cheney's actions in the administration's campaign to undermine Plame's husband, Joseph C. Wilson IV, a critic of the U.S. invasion of Iraq...."

Fitzgerlad could have very easily learned about Chneye's involvement right from the horses mouth-- Cheney (or horse's ass, as the case may be) Fitzgerald was trying to learn about Cheney's role--and never called him to testify?
Mission accomplished, Fitz!! You dragged an investigation out almost 4 years. after it would have affected the '06 elections. You only nailed a 2d tier player and kept all the heat away from Cheney and Bush. You kept all the talk away from the administration and how it sold the war and all on the media. Instead of putting the perpetrators of the outing of Valerie Plame behind bars, you put in jail a mere 2d rank perjurer and a NY Times reporter
Heckuvajob, Fitz!! I can see why you didn't get fired when all the rest did.
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xkenx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 03:00 PM
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36. exlrrp, you are right on. I started a similar thread and got lots of flamethrowers.
But I willl stick to my guns about the weakness of Fitz. And you too.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 04:16 PM
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43. I have one word for you: Greymail
Look it up. Look up the ramifications if the original crimes were charged in court.

Congress has to take the ball on this one.

Please do some reading on the case before you make up your mind that Libby was all.

www.firedoglake.com

Julie
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 12:48 PM
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19. Sun Tsu!!
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 12:54 PM
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21. The case is now "inactive" and Fitz has gone back to his "Day Job" per Fitz...
... so he's done unless he trips over some new evidence
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 11:26 AM
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12. My guess is the obstruction was so complete that Fitz could ...
.... not get to Cheney. Both bush & Cheney hired criminal lawyers in the summer
of 2004 about the Plame outing.

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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 11:29 AM
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13. I guess Emperor Cheney got away on this one.
Maybe Libby will be rewarded for falling on the sword.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 11:33 AM
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16. If the Democrats do not start hearings for Impeachment
because after all of this, they are going to run a real risk of having a big "WEAK & IRRELEVANT" tattooed on their foreheads. At least that's what occurred to me after watching things yesterday.

Just imagine it's two or three months before the 2008 election and Bush's term is being counted in days. Imagine that Joe and Valerie Wilson have been given their day in court with the civil suit and testimony is given that further exposes Bush/Cheney. Imagine CourtTV (and possibly others) are airing the trial live. Then, the moment comes with explosive testimony from a WH insider who was witness to 'What did the Vice President DO and when did he tell the President he DID IT?'

In a moment of opportunity, every Republican running for elected office would be at the nearest microphone blaming the Democrats for not holding hearings. Over and over, we would be hearing how the Democrats are too afraid to go after criminals; how can the American people trust them to go after terrorists when they can't even have the 'strength of character' to investigate Bush/Cheney and let the chips fall where they may? The echo machine will be in hyper-drive excoriating the Democrats and their failure of leadership to the the 'right thing'.

Democrats need to set the table.
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xkenx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 12:53 PM
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20. You are absolutely correct. That will be the script. Rethugs will distance
themselves from Bush/Cheney and blame Dems. But I criticise Fitz for not going after Cheney. There was an abundance of information and testimony to tie Cheney (and others) to the treasonous violation of the Espionage Act or Intelligence Identities Protection Act. Read fmr. Fed. prosecutor Elizabeth de la Vega's explanation of how to successfully go after Cheney et al.

Published on Friday, August 12, 2005 by TomDispatch.com
How to Prosecute the Plame Case
by Elizabeth de la Vega

Pundits right, left, and center have reached a rare unanimous verdict about one aspect of the grand jury investigation into the Valerie Plame leak: They've decided that no charges can be brought under the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982, because it imposes an impossibly high standard for proof of intent. Typically, writing for Slate on July 19th, Christopher Hitchens described the 1982 Act as a "silly law" that requires that "you knowingly wish to expose the cover of a CIA officer who you understand may be harmed as a result." Similarly, columnist Richard Cohen, in the July 14 Washington Post, said he thought Rove was a "political opportunist, not a traitor" and that he didn't think Rove "specifically intended to blow the cover of a CIA agent." Such examples could be multiplied many times over.

Shocking as it may seem, however, the pundits are wrong; and their casual summaries of the requirements of the 1982 statute betray a fundamental misunderstanding regarding proof of criminal intent.

Do you have to intend to harm a CIA agent or jeopardize national security in order to violate the Intelligence Identities Protection Act? The answer is no.

Before presenting any case, a prosecutor like Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald in the Plame case has to figure out "the elements of the crime"; in other words, the factors he has to prove under whatever statute he is considering. If a grand jury finds probable cause to believe that each element has been proved, it may then return an indictment. At trial, the judge instructs the jury about these same elements. Parties can argue about whether the elements have been proved beyond a reasonable doubt, but neither side can add, delete, or modify the elements even slightly to suit their arguments.

Why can't you change the elements? Because they come from the exact wording of the statute. This then is what the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982 says:


"Whoever, having or having had authorized access to classified information that identifies a covert agent, intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to received classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the U.S. is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent‘s intelligence relationship to the U.S. ."
To figure out the elements that must be proved, you simply break this run-on sentence into subparts in the following manner:

A defendant must:

(1) have authorized access to classified information that identifies a covert agent;

(2) "intentionally disclose" the information;

(3) disclose it to one not authorized to receive classified information;

(4) know the information he is disclosing identifies the covert agent; and

(5) know that the U.S. is taking affirmative measures to conceal the covert agent's intelligence relationship to the United States.

Proof of these five elements -- and no others -- is what's required under the 1982 legislation.

So what, exactly, does the prosecutor have to prove about the defendant's state of mind under this law? Element 2 says the defendant must "intentionally disclose" the information. To determine what "intentionally disclose" means, you must follow some basic rules of statutory construction. First, you look to see if the word is specifically defined within the statute itself. For example, the term "disclosed" is defined in the Act to mean "communicate, provide, impart, transmit, transfer, convey, publish or otherwise make available."

The word "intentionally" is not defined in the statute, so you have to turn to the second rule of statutory construction, which is to see if it is defined or interpreted in applicable case law. There is little case law on the statute itself. But there's a wealth of case law interpreting the term "intentionally," because it is a term of art found in nearly every criminal statute. Its meaning is well-established and straightforward. It simply means "on purpose, not by mistake or accident." So If someone runs off the bus and accidentally leaves behind papers that expose an undercover CIA agent's identity, no crime has been committed because Element 2 can't be proven. On the other hand, if someone were speaking purposefully, as opposed to, say, drunkenly popping off at a bar, Element 2 would be satisfied.

Nowhere does this statute require proof that the defendant "wished to harm" an undercover agent or jeopardize national security. Why someone disclosed the information -- whether to prevent the publication of a story or to harm the U.S. -- is an issue of motive, not intent.

Merely semantics, you say? In criminal law, it's nonetheless a key distinction. Motive is why someone acts; intent is the person's purposefulness while doing so. If you accidentally take home your neighbor's Gucci bag from the block party, there‘s no crime because you didn‘t act intentionally. (You do have to give it back, though.) If you grab your neighbor‘s bag on purpose, you‘ve acted intentionally and you could be guilty of theft. It matters not a whit whether your motive was to get revenge on your neighbor for making too much noise or to get extra cash to hand out to the poor. Evidence of a bad motive is usually admitted as background in the proof of a criminal case, but it is almost never an element of the crime; and evidence of a good motive is usually not a defense once the intent specified in the statute is proven.

The other elements that relate to state of mind are Elements 4 and 5. To prove a violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, the prosecutor has to prove that the defendant knew the information he or she was disclosing "identifies" the covert agent and that the government was taking affirmative measures to conceal that agent's intelligence relationship to the U.S. Both of these elements relate only to what the leaker knows; they don't require that he convey all of this knowledge to the unauthorized leakee.

What then does "identify" mean in this statute? Well, there is no specific definition and no case law to look to. So you turn to the third rule of statutory construction, which simply says that you apply the everyday meaning of the word. Perhaps in a through-the-looking-glass world someone could decree that to identify means to "name" and nothing else, but the statute doesn't say that; nor is that how ordinary people would use the word. There are obviously myriad ways to identify a person besides naming them, but unless a man were a polygamist, a reference to his wife -- as in Karl Rove's identification of "Wilson's wife" in his conversation with Time reporter Matt Cooper -- would certainly suffice to direct the listener to a single, specific person.

How does all of this play out in the context of the ongoing grand jury investigation into the Valerie Plame leak?

None of us can presume to know the universe of facts so far uncovered in the investigation. On the contrary, at the risk of sounding like Donald Rumsfeld, we can be quite sure that there is much that we do not know, and that some of what we think we know is surely wrong; nor can we presume to know the workings of Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's mind. It would then be presumptuous to declare that the Intelligence Identities Protection Act is definitely still under consideration in the grand jury proceeding. But it would be no less presumptuous -- and illogical -- to declare that it is not under consideration, especially since that judgment is based on mistaken assumptions about the requirements of the law. (Interestingly, with each new commentary in the press or on TV, the statute only seems to get harder to prove.)

It is also worth remembering that prosecutors analyze evidence with a view towards presenting it in a trial, and even in the post 9-11 world, trials are not like talk shows. The parties at a trial do not hurl scattershot attacks as if they were partisan guests in the drive-by shoutings that have become the stuff of so many news programs. In a trial, both sides present evidence according to established rules that are meant to weed out rumor and opinion. Almost inevitably, over the weeks if not months of a trial, evidence that may appear persuasive on a TV show, but is actually false or misleading, loses sway when viewed in the context of the larger picture.

In painting that picture, the prosecution is not required to present its evidence so narrowly as to lose the context of the alleged crime. Right now, it's as if, when it comes to the Plame case, most of us are in the front rows of a movie theater and have no way of fully seeing what's on screen. Away from the daily drumbeat of news, rumor, and self-interested leaks, however, the picture may make a lot more (and different) sense. Within limits, the law allows the prosecution to prove its case with the wide screen that's necessary for a clearer view.

If the prosecution were attempting to prove that Karl Rove's July 11, 2003 conversation with Time's Matt Cooper violated the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, for example, it would obviously present Cooper's testimony about the conversation, and possibly the notes and e-mails that documented it. Since criminal law allows a jury to use common sense to draw reasonable inferences from the facts presented, a prosecutor could then argue that Cooper's testimony goes a long way towards proving all of the elements of the crime. (A prerequisite for any violation would, of course, be proof that Joseph Wilson's wife Valerie Plame was indeed a covert agent, but as former State Department counterterrorism expert Larry Johnson's July 22 congressional testimony makes clear, there is abundant proof of that fact.)

When it comes to the Cooper-Rove conversation, a prosecutor would assumedly argue, first, that there's no doubt Karl Rove provided information to Cooper intentionally; that is, not by mistake or accident. It strains credulity to suggest that a seasoned political operator like Rove ever says anything to a reporter that is not calculated, and Rove's purposefulness can also be seen in the details of the call. Rove knew he was talking to a reporter, not a person authorized to receive classified information. Since Cooper called Rove and was put through only after the call was screened by a secretary, we can infer that Rove made a conscious choice to speak with him. Cooper also began the call by identifying himself. Finally, Rove provided information on "deep background," a term of art which, to a reporter, means that the information can be used but the source cannot be identified. This fact alone precludes a finding that Rove was speaking accidentally or by mistake.

In addition, the prosecution would likely argue that there's no real issue on the question of whether Rove "disclosed" information. Cooper says that Rove told him Wilson's wife was a CIA agent who worked on weapons of mass destruction and that it was she, not George Tenet or Dick Cheney who was responsible for sending Wilson on his mission to Niger. He also says that Rove told him the information about Wilson's wife was "going to be declassified soon." Affirmatively providing information obviously constitutes "disclosing" it, as the term is defined in the statute. So if the jury accepts Cooper's testimony, the issue of whether Rove "intentionally disclosed" information is settled. But it could also be settled even if the version provided by the "sources close to Rove" -- that he simply confirmed information Cooper provided -- was accepted as accurate. As Rove would certainly know, a confirmation by a senior administration official conveys information to a reporter and makes it available to him for use, even if under slightly limited circumstances. Both "conveying" and "making available" are terms used to define "disclose" in the Intelligence Identities Protection Act.

Common sense precludes any serious argument that a reference to "Joseph Wilson's wife" does not constitute an identification, so the jury could reasonably infer Rove's knowledge from the nature of the information he disclosed. In other words, a jury could infer that Rove knew Wilson's wife's status was covert and that the CIA was taking affirmative measures to conceal her intelligence relationship to the government, because he said it was going to be declassified soon. Obviously, information does not need to be declassified if it is not currently classified. That the information is classified means that the government has been taking affirmative measures to conceal it.

Rove's revelations about Valerie Plame's specific work on weapons of mass destruction, as well as the claim that she was responsible for sending her husband to Niger, also give rise to the reasonable and necessary inference that he had access to detailed classified information about her work at the CIA. The only commonsense interpretation of the comment Cooper imputes to Rove -- "I've already said too much" -- is, finally, that he knew he was imparting classified information he was not supposed to impart.

Why believe Cooper? As a start, because most of what he says about the conversation is not in dispute. He is also clearly a man of principle who was willing to go to jail to protect his source. He has no motive to falsely incriminate anyone, least of all Karl Rove or Vice President Cheney's aide Lewis "Scooter" Libby. He has clearly been careful to include all the details he can recall regardless of their implications for either side -- and his account is corroborated by writings he made at the time. Perhaps most important, Cooper's version of the July 11, 2003 conversation with Rove makes sense when viewed against what we already know of the background of the entire case. That context not only supports Cooper's testimony, but also strengthens the case that Karl Rove had access to and knew that Valerie Wilson was a covert agent whose status was classified.

That is why the jury would likely hear, among other things, that Wilson's July 6, 2003 op-ed piece in the New York Times, which contradicted the administration's story about Saddam Hussein's search for yellowcake uranium ore in Niger, catapulted the administration into a frenzy of activity which appeared to have two overlapping goals. The first was the preparation of a CIA response to Wilson's revelations; the second, the undermining of Wilson's credibility. As New York Times columnist Frank Rich has so aptly described it, the eight days between the July 6 op-ed and Robert Novak's July 14 column outing Valerie Plame were characterized by "mounting desperation" on the part of the administration.

It is likely that only a fraction of what happened during that time has been made public, but the credible evidence that has been reported indicates that senior administration officials Rove and Libby were in close contact with each other, as well as with the State Department and the CIA, in order to carry out their two-pronged attack. The jury would likely hear evidence about their e-mail communications. The jury would also probably hear that, within 24 hours of publication of the Wilson piece, Secretary of State Colin Powell and White House Press Spokesman Ari Fleischer were seen holding a State Department memo requested by Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage on the day the Wilson op-ed appeared; that, when seen with the memo, Powell and Fleischer were on Air Force One with President Bush and National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice on the way to Africa; that the State Department memo contained a paragraph about Valerie Wilson's work at the CIA marked "secret"; that on July 8th, Karl Rove talked about Valerie Wilson's work at the CIA with Robert Novak; that, at about the same time, another senior administration official told Robert Novak about Valerie Wilson's work at the CIA; that, on July 12, the day after Rove talked with Cooper, Lewis Libby, speaking "on background," told Cooper he "had heard" the information about Valerie Wilson's CIA status and possible involvement in sending Wilson to Niger; that, on the same day, a "senior administration official who was not Libby" told Washington Post reporter Walter Pincus that "Wilson's trip to Niger was set up as a boondoggle by his CIA-employed wife"; and that, just the day before on July 11, CIA Director George Tenet had taken the fall for the inclusion of the infamous 16 words that, inserted in the State of the Union Address, had started the whole ball rolling. So once Robert Novak published his story outing Valerie Plame and undermining Joseph Wilson on July 14, 2003, it would appear that the administration had achieved both of its goals. Hardly the work of "senior administration officials" who know not what they do.

If charges were brought, it would certainly be in light of this background evidence, and more (as they say on the infomercials) that a jury would be asked to decide whether a violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act had been proved. That jury would, of course, be free to draw whatever reasonable inferences it found appropriate based on this chain of circumstances.

Circumstantial evidence? Yes, contrary to popular belief, direct and circumstantial evidence have equal weight under federal criminal law. So one very strong permissible inference from the evidence of the administration's post-July 6, 2003 conduct could be that, given the damaging nature of the Joseph Wilson story and the urgency with which the State Department memo had been requested, it is impossible to believe that Powell simply tucked it into his briefcase and began watching an in-flight movie. Precisely who saw it or heard about its contents is not publicly known, but it is known that Lewis Libby and Karl Rove had been tasked to work with CIA Director George Tenet to craft the mea culpa Tenet would deliver on July 11 taking responsibility for those sixteen words in the State of the Union. As has been widely reported, their involvement can be proven by evidence of an intense exchange of e-mails between the two. It would be difficult to work on Tenet's statement without knowing about the information in the July 7 memo, as well as much other classified information about the Wilson trip, so it would not be unreasonable to infer that they too had been recipients of the information in that memo.

Whether charges will be brought under the Intelligence Identities Protection Act or, if they were, what a jury would decide, we cannot possibly know. But we do know that it is not a law under which guilt is nearly impossible to prove -- as the pundits, citing each other, have led us to believe. It also bears mentioning that experienced prosecutors never underestimate juries. Most juries are like the special grand jury described by Matt Cooper: thorough, highly-engaged people who are absolutely committed to applying the law only to the evidence they have heard in court as they are instructed to do. They are not easily fooled. They have common sense. And they are firmly rooted in the reality-based community.

Elizabeth de la Vega has recently retired after serving more than 20 years as a federal prosecutor in Minneapolis and San Jose. During her tenure, she was a member of the Organized Crime Strike Force and Chief of the San Jose Branch of the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Northern District of California.



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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 10:45 PM
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30. Beautiful output by Elizabeth de la Vega
It makes it easier to imagine the entire Bushevik crew in chains.
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xkenx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 03:01 PM
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37. Yeah, trouble is, who's going to go after them?
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 03:17 PM
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28. Yes, "Worthless and Weak" will be the Death Mantra for Dems
When something like that "rings true" with the electorate, there's no consultant strategery that can stop it.

And this is another impeachable offense that needs no further investigtion (like the torture and spying, which they admit and rhetorically "defend).

Fitz could not "get cheney" because he's bound by rules of evidence. If Libby wants to take the fall, that's all she wrote. But Impeachment IS NOT a legal procedure. They already know Libby's protecting bushcheney's coverup of the Worst Terrorist Act in history -- the "bomb threat" of "Mushroom Clouds!!" that terrorized the nation.

All the DC Dem "leadership" is required to do is act on their oaths -- to remove bushcheney to protect the nation -- before they rollup any more CIA operations, or worse, in furtherance of their ongoing war criminal activities.

If they continue to protect bushcheney -- which incidently is arguably a war crime in itself -- they are doing so at great electoral risk.

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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 11:46 AM
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17. If Libby can hold out...he will be rewarded by Cheney's industry friends
Edited on Wed Mar-07-07 11:47 AM by bleedingheart
with a cushy salary and he won't even have to show up for work.

As long a he doesn't turn on Cheney...he is probably guranteeed a pardon and a job.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 12:03 PM
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18. It's important to remember that Wilson was correct
There are lots of important issues here. The Vice President of the United States of America revealed the identity of a covert CIA operative. The operative whose identity was revealed was working on a project involving plans by terrorists to use weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear weapons. The Vice President's actions destroyed that operation, weakening our supposed "war on terror."

Another issue is that the Vice President and his staff, and the President's staff and spokesperson, repeatedly lied about their actions and interfered with the investigation of this crime.

While keeping each of these separate outrageous violations of law and ethics in mind, Democrats need to keep one other issue in mind. The President *did* lie to the world about evidence involving Iraq and uranium. Ambassador Wilson knew that the President lied, and he spoke out. Because Wilson told the truth, the Vice President and President attempted to destroy him. They succeeded in destroying his wife's career, and an important operation against terrorism along the way. The fact that they were willing to do this to cover up their lies about Iraq and the motivations for going to war is very important.

Wilson was right. That's why Cheney went after him.
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WatchOutBelow1 Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 02:16 PM
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35. The facts don't support your logic
only Libby was convicted of lying about how he knew about Plame, not outing her.

The State Dept's Armitage was the actual 'outer', not Cheney. I don't like these guys any more that you do. I can see the forest for the trees, though.

Armitage was a war critic as well. Not a neocon

A NOC was not outed - all CIA employees are classified also NSA, DIA, NRO, and the rest of the alphabet soup.

The CIA did not think Wilson was correct, as to the op-ed. They actually found that his trip bolstered the claim.
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lizbitchwitchy Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 02:45 PM
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23. What about the others?
Even the one juror that was willing to talk to the press wondered where in the hell was Rove and Armitage and others. Why didn't Fitz go after them. According to the juror they were the ones that needed to be sitting in Libby's chair as well. No justice was served - Lying to a grand jury and obstructing justice is not treason - and the penalty of being convicted of either will wind up in a pardon. There is no justice in this country - it seems.

And Conyers and the dems will NOT impeach - they will not do anything for us - and they haven't. It's all a song and dance and I am sick of them singing the same ole tune over and over again. They side step - backs step and dance around important issues - it's blatant -
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 02:51 PM
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25. Wish I could answer your question, liz -- but I can welcome you to DU!
Thanks for your post!
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 02:59 PM
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26. If Cheney were to be impeached, Bush would replace
Edited on Wed Mar-07-07 03:00 PM by DemBones DemBones
him with someone like McCain or Giuliani who could then campaign for the presidency as a sitting VP.

If Bush were to be impeached, Cheney would be president and would choose someone like McCain or Giuliani to be his VP who could then campaign as a sitting VP.

And remember impeachment doesn't mean jack w/o a conviction. Clinton was impeached but not convicted, as was Andrew Jackson.

No president or vice president has ever been impeached and convicted.


Edit: It would be nice if an investigation was at its peak during the 2008 election.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 04:24 PM
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46. I can answer your questions, lizbitchwitchy
It's as simple as the following.

The reason why the group you mentioned were not indicted is as simple as the fact that Libby obstructed the investigation. Period. He was the firewall. Armitage came forward to the FBI three months before Patrick Fitzgerald was appointed Special Counsel. Rove most likely had an immunity deal in return for future testimony. We've never seen the "I'm not charging him" letter his lawyer says he received from Patrick Fitzgerald; there's a reason for that.

Any charging of the original crimes would have the case graymailed out of court. Immediately.

Any further action will need to come from Congress, who has the authority to hold hearings. Rep. Waxman's committee will hold a hearing next Friday, March 16th. They can remand the findings to Congress to begin impeachment hearings.

Please go to www.firedoglake.com and read two years of research and writing on the CIA Leak Case.

Julie
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Babel_17 Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 03:43 PM
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29. An important point that deserves repeating and a K&R (NT)
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IWantAChange Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 11:22 AM
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32. Close your eyes and imagine the outcry from the RIGHT if this was a Dem problem..
if consensual sex with an adult was worthy of 24 hour coverage for months on end what might this have evolved into??
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WatchOutBelow1 Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 02:08 PM
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34. exactly my point
Look back to the clinton impeachment and think of what you felt
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sobanos Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 03:31 PM
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40. Look back to the clinton impeachment and think of what you felt
Not comparable.

Clinton lied under oath about sex. Period.

Fitzgerald HAD to indict Libby, as it was his only leverage that he could potentially get "honest" responses from Libby.

Please don't forget what Fitzgerald was originally investigating....... and Libby was convicted for perjury and obstruction of justice.

Now, why would he have committed these crimes if the TRUTH didn't go further up the chain?

The bottom line here is--- Fitzgerald couldn't flip Libby, but the congressional hearings that will result are worth his having gone after Libby.

And the TRUTH appears to be one hell of a lot more damnng to Republicans than Clinton's TRUTH was for him...........
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WatchOutBelow1 Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 02:06 PM
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33. please try not to be too hypocritical - if you hated what they did to Clinton
I sat through the special prosecutor investigate Clinton for 5 years and thought what a bunch of political clap trap. There was no underlying crime for having sex with that woman, Ms Lewinsky. It was a private matter for Bill to work it out with Hill and Chelsea. The whole special prosecutor thing was out of control. Hence that is why I joined move-on.org. I am seeing the same thing with Libby and it disturbs me to see Democrats being hypocritical. If the Libby trial was not political theater I do not know what is. The goal was to get Karl Rove, and they tried mightily. It would have helped if Plame was actually a NOC. This is a subject I know about. I also know that Brewster Jennings was outed by Aldrich Ames to the Russians. That effectively killed what Brewster Jennings was doing. It closed up shop. Plame was called back to CIA HQ 8-9 years ago, where she analyzed from a desk. Aldrich Ames set back WMD intelligence about 12 years.

Facts that cannot be disputed:

Wilson was suggested for the trip by his wife.
Wilson confirmed that the Iraqis had been in Niger and requested yellowcake.
Iraqis were not sold any.
The CIA said that Wilson's report bolstered the president's contention that Iraq was seeking large quantities of yellowcake.
Wilson responded with an OP-ed in the NYT saying the exact opposite of what the CIA gleaned from his report.
1.7 metric tons of yellowcake was found in Iraq by the Iraq Survey group.
A centerfuge was found that could be used to enrich uranium - unclear since parts were missing.
Libby was convicted of lying about how he knew about Plame, not leaking her name.
Per Fitzgerald, a NOC was not outed. The whole reason for the circus. (my employment is classified as is everyone at the CIA,NSA,DIA,NRO,NGIA,and many more).
Richard Armitage was known as the source by the FBI three months before Fitzgerald was appointed. the only reason for the investigation.

Put the shoe on the other foot for a moment -- I am not defending Bush and CO!!!! --
You have a war critic that is trying to undermine what you are doing with spin and half truths. What do you do? Is it really a smear campaign if it is true? I thought that the truth was being sought not avoided.
I think the truth is much simpler. The Dems wanted payback for the Clinton fiasco and they wanted Rove and Cheney. They only got Libby in the same fashion as Clinton, lying about a non-crime. Even then, do you all really believe that Tim Russert did not know about Plame when his subordinates (Andrea Mitchell and David Gregory) both knew long before then? I don't buy it. I am not saying that Libby learned from Russert. The conversation that matches what Libby said was actually Bob Woodward conversation with Libby. Again, you guys can be sensitive, I am not saying Libby is not a lying sack o' crap. His statements on Russert match up with Woodward's conversation not Russert's.

please try not to be too hypocritical
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sobanos Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 03:22 PM
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39. Oh, bullcrap
Clinton????

Please........... apples and oranges.

It's about "proportionality".

Clinton lied under oath about sex.

Not even REMOTELY comparable to the myriad of egregious actions this administration is VERY LIKELY guilty of.

Have the damned hearings. Investigate thoroughly, and let the public review the findings as well.

If the evidence that comes out is weak, THEN you can bring up your Clinton crap again..................
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xkenx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 03:38 PM
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41. Are you a freeper lurking here? Almost nothing of what you just wrote is accurate.
Edited on Thu Mar-08-07 03:44 PM by xkenx
1. Read Larry Johnson's accounts of Valerie Plame. It doesn't matter where she physically sat the part few years. CIA confirmed her covert status to Fitz. Her network was compromised. Her outing was treason. Read my post above about fmr. Fed. prosecutor Elizabeth de la Vega's account of how Plame's outing could be prosecuted.
2. Fitzgerald's prosecution had nothing to do with Democrat payback. He was/is a Federal prosecutor appointed by a Republican, and assigned this job by former Bush Attorney General, John Ashcroft. And lots of Dem. criticism for Fitz not going after the bigger perps.
3. Wilson was not suggested for the trip by his wife. Dick Cheney's office asked the CIA to investigate the Niger issue. They selected Wilson. His wife MAY have confirmed to them later that Wilson would be a good choice, but she did not have the power to make the decision.
4. All accounts of Wilson's trip report were that there were NO indications that Iraq was trying to buy forbidden materials, which was exactly why his report was so damaging. In fact, if Wilson's report supported Cheney, Cheney would have miraculously dug it up rather than deny that he ever got a report back from Wilson.
5. Fitz did not say a NOC was not outed. He said Libby's lies and obstruction prevented him from learning the truth. Fitz did say that they had confirmed that Valerie Plame was covert. He just couldn't prove in court who outed her and the circumstances surrounding her outing.
6. Neither yours nor anyone else's employment security clearance has nothing to do with Valerie Plame's status. Note the flight on Air Force I when word of Wilson's op-ed piece went around, and there was a State Dept memo in which Valerie Plame's covert status was highlighted as highly classified and not to be divulged.
7. If the identical circumstances had occured on Bill Clinton's watch, the investigations and prosecutions would have dwarfed what went on with Libby. Here we have a crime of treason, not likely to be punished. Scooter Libby was a willing participant. He may be the fall guy for those who are equally or more complicit; so what? Here's my sympathy for Libby: "Boo fuckin' hoo."
8. Welcome to DU. Would that you would stay away, so we don't have to waste time responding.
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sobanos Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 03:47 PM
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42. What's a "freeper"?
??
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xkenx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 04:24 PM
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45. Right Wing FreePress web/blogsite
No Democrat or anyone with some awareness of what's been going on could have written that stuff. But unlike some Dems., DUers don't turn the other cheek. Attacks are responded to in far less time than even the proverbial first news cycle. RWers like to assault and smear, but they seldom actually engage in a dialog; they just cut and run because the truth is not on their side.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 07:44 PM
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47. A "freeper" is a right-wing troll trying to cause trouble
on a liberal website like this one. It's a term the regulars at Free Republic use about themselves, and we picked up on it too.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 03:20 PM
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50. Yes, apparently that was a freeper!
Emphasis on the past tense, as he's been tombstoned!
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 04:21 PM
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44. Ok, but what about Rove. Rove directly told Novak ...that's when all hell broke
loose. Someone posted an article saying that Rove was given a last time to come clean to the grand jury and correct himself. So why wasn't he prosecuted for leaking Plame's name.

Something just doesn't feel right with this whole thing. Hopefully Waxman's investigation will allow all of the facts to see the light of day.
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xkenx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 08:58 PM
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48. That is why I'm so critical of Fitz for not going after the other traitors.
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