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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:26 PM
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"Campers" at resturants.... what's your opinion?
I have to ask this question because I need to know! By day I am an anything but mild mannered school teacher, but by night I wait tables (most teachers have to have second jobs.... I'm sure you know). I wait tables at a trendy little place in the Ghent section of Norfolk, Va. Some of you Navy or Hampton Roads DUers may know the area. The Green Onion has 6 tables outside, 11 inside. Most of our customers are great. Do their thing and go. BUT SOME think we're starbucks..... get an appetizer and water and sit for three or more hours. In other words they CAMP! I have no problem with people who come in and wish to make an evening of dinner or an afternoon of lunch/brunch. They have desserts, coffee, MORE LIQUOR! BUT the campers!!!!! I hate them. AND they rarely tip well after taking up your table for most of the night. I eat out all the time and NEVER do this annoying shit! Is it only people who have never done this type of work who do this?

Are my feelings on this matter out of line?

What are your thoughts?

AND have YOU ever done this work?
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loveable liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:28 PM
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1. Campers suck. You are right.
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:29 PM
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2. Good, I'm not alone.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:09 PM
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200. God forbid you visit Europe
where you can stay as long as you want. The wait staff does not bring you your bill until you ask for it.

I absolutely hate dining out in the US. There you are, 1/4-way through your meal when the rude-assed waiter slips you the bill in that faux-leather binder and leaves with "if you need anything else, I'll be glad to add it to your tab." So, there it sits like a fart nobody wants to take credit for, adding back that element of tension you had hoped to leave at home.

The American dining experience is a study in rudeness.
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Huskerchub Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:42 PM
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236. and in Europe
this is the custom and expected, as is the automatic adding on of the tip to the bill. NOT so in the U.S. servers are expected to turn tables so that they can make enough tip money to live on. Cuase god knows that they aren't payed enough to live on.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:51 PM
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239. They don't automatically add on to the tip.
Tipping over there is very meager...in Germany it's called "Trinkgeld"...or "beer money" (more exactly: drink money) and is usually no more than a couple Euros. Another custom is that the wait staff will add the bill right there in front of you, by hand. It's only here in this country where tips are not only mandated by some semi-codified rules, but are expected.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:30 PM
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3. I can see why they annoy you. Its costing you money, but its up to management to manage.

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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:16 PM
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78. Yup. It's a management issue.
Server needs vs. customer needs is always a management issue.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:30 PM
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4. I think that for a waiter or waitress to make $$, they have to turn over tables,
that is, get tables of people in and fed, and on their way, so another table of folks can be seated, and so on. That's how tips are made and tips are a big part of the money made.

People who order a glass of water and an appetizer and tied up a table for hours SUCK.

The only time it doesn't bother me too much is if the place is quiet and there are plenty enough empty tables.



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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:30 PM
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5. Oh I hate restaurant campers
Well, a diner is one thing; not that the wait staff there don't work as hard (or harder) but there's kind of the social compact that you can sit in the diner drinking coffee until you sober up.

But wait staff (and line cooks, bus staff, etc.) get paid by the seating, and I've seen obnoxious people camp through not 2 but 3 seatings just sitting around and talking.

I'm a reasonable guy; I cut slack on some occasions: shitty weather? yeah, some lingering can be excused. And of course, a huge check, a huge tip, or being a reliable regular brings some slack with it too. But otherwise, it's inconsiderate to the staff and to your fellow customers who want a seat.
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reflection Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:31 PM
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6. I waited tables to get myself through college.
Edited on Thu Jul-03-08 02:31 PM by reflection
Campers indeed suck. But there's not much you can do about it, except ask them every 30 seconds how they're doing until they get the hint. :)
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:13 PM
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Clearing away their dishes and ashtrays and napkins etc., as you
do it. Staring at an empty table they generally do get the idea.

It's been a couple decades, but I remember the drill.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:33 PM
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7. Often, it's just pure ignorance
because these folks don't realize they're preventing a restaurant from making enough money to survive by taking a table out of service for three hours or so.

If they "camp" during mid afternoon when things are slow, it's not that big a problem. However, campers who insist on taking tables out of service during the rush should be politely escorted to the bar or otherwise removed.

It's not like they're going to tip, anyway.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:34 PM
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8. your feelings are not out of line
and i think management should devise some sort of policy to protect you from people who do that. it's not a starbucks, it's not a library, it's a restaurant, and you need to be able to earn your tips.

i've worked in fast food. never as a waitress. i always knew i wouldn't be able to tolerate the way people treat the help. i have however known waiters and waitresses who loved their jobs.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:34 PM
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9. campers?
is that restaurant code for people who dont want to be rushed? im sick of waitstaff trying to rush me through my meal and out the door.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:39 PM
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10. Yes. It's for people who just lounge around after ordering water
and an appetizer without regard for the fact that it's a business, not your dining-living room.

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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:42 PM
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13. waitstaff need to get over themselves
youre there to serve regardless of the amount of food a table orders and regardless of how long they take to eat it.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:45 PM
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19. I have empathy for the working people
trying to make a few bucks off of tips and rarely for people who feel others need to "get over themselves."

Bet you are a big tipper too.

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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:46 PM
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21. how would you know?
you are another who needs to get over themselves, you aint all that.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:47 PM
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24. LOL.
easy



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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:47 PM
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22. Asshole customers need to get over themselves
Just because you shelled out $10 for a sandwich doesn't make you King God. I can't stand the attitude some people in this country have; that service people exist to be shit on.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:48 PM
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26. interesting but i didnt say that
i said waitstaff are there to serve people, not run them through an assembly line trying to achieve maximum customer per hour.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:52 PM
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36. Yeah, how rude of them to want to make money!
So selfish. They should be grateful for the opportunity to keep refilling the water glasses of cheapskates for 3 hours for that 25 cent tip they leave behind. :sarcasm:
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:02 PM
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53. Some do rush you though...
I've been brought my check while I was still chewing. I really hate that.

I understand the need to change dance partners, but shit!

I tip 15 - 20%... unless I'm yanked from my chair with the napkin still on my lap.

I think this issue swings both ways.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:07 PM
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61. Only time that happens to me is when the place is packed.
Which I completely understand because you are making other customers wait up to an hour to be seated. Otherwise, I've never felt hurried by waitstaff. Then again, I'm not one to dawdle.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:23 PM
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88. I really don't care if it is packed...
I'm paying for a service. And I don't dawdle. When there are six people at a table and three of them are still chewing, it really pisses me off when waitstaff interrupt every three minutes with "can I get you anything else?" I won't be back.

I'm a damn fine cook... I can stay home and have a great meal if that was all it was about.

If the place is packed, people are making money anyway.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:28 PM
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157. I agree.
I agree. Illustrating a little bit of courtesy and civility to other patrons lets me feel a lot better about myself than sitting on my butt an extra fifteen minutes.
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Blue Diadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:02 PM
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136. Oh I agree with that, it does work both ways
I've been hurried in restaurants as well, still have 1/2 plate full and they ask about dessert. Then bring the bill while you're still chewing and even though they say they'll take that up whenever you're ready, they keep walking by eyeing the bill and it's little folder or ask if it's ready yet.

I'll never forget the one who came and actually picked up my plate saying "I'll take that for you" and I had the fork with food still in my hand going to my mouth. That place had excellent food but they didn't remain open for long and I suspect that was one of the reasons.

On the other hand, I've worked as a cashier in a restaurant. I've also seen the people who come in and order the minimal, just to set and talk and talk and talk as if it was a coffee shop and not a restaurant.

There has to be a happy medium somewhere.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #136
161. I blame management:)
It's not all black and white, and I think it's up to management to train waitstaff to know what is appropriate and what is not. There must be a very "Emily Post" way of getting the message across when very little has been ordered and people have been there for hours.
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JANdad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:22 PM
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87. Ummm...
Actually...they are...how wlese is the business supposed to make money?
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:50 PM
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32. Yes I wonder why it's always so easy to find a sales/service job
Must be becase the pay and benefits are so wonderful that people just feel bad at taking all of that easy money for nothing. :eyes:
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:48 PM
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27. Yes they are worthless slaves who should be happy for the nickels you deign to throw on the floor
And at your job you should put up with whatever your boss wants you to and be happy for whatever he/she wants to be pay you. You worthless sack of shit, just be glad that the rich are kind enough to give you a job and provide you with the possibility of feeding yourself!

This country was built by the rich! All workers are worthless loafers who deserve our contempt! Pass the caviar please. This conversation has left me with a tad bit of hunger.

Tut Tut!
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:49 PM
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28. Spoken like someone who has never waited tables.
n/t
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:50 PM
Response to Reply #13
33. Yes master...

"Keep those quarters coming."
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #13
44. I seriously hope you get to spend some time as a waitperson before you die.
It will be a terrific education for you.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:55 PM
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47. that will never happen
i made sure to learn a trade, maybe you waitstaff should try that.
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #47
54. You should arrange to trade your supercilious attitude for something worth having.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #47
65. I'm guessing your trade is something that doesn't require much human interaction
Because I'm guessing your social skills leave a lot to be desired.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #47
90. Wow that was a really shitty thing to say
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JANdad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #47
91. Oh...
How about a big FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #47
126. Well la di fucking da!
Excuse me if I do not bow to your alleged superiority.

I waited tables WHILE I was in college. Most of the time it wasn't a terrible job. There were times that, quite frankly, sucked elephant dick.

Like the time I served a table of 14, and ran my ass off for an hour and a half for this table. They spent well over $300. My tip? $1.50. Meanwhile, I was taxed on the tips as if I had received 10% of the sale (some $30+), so I took a net LOSS from that table.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:55 PM
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132. "Are there no prisons? Are there no poorhouses?"
Back in your hole until Xmas, Mr. Scrooge!

:spank:
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #132
135. im amazed
no one has called me a freeper yet.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #135
137. No, but you are either a liar or a food-bolter.
Aren't you supposed to be at lunch?
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #137
139. how do you know im not?
Edited on Thu Jul-03-08 04:18 PM by Howardx
laptop, wifi, you must have heard of those.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #139
144. Leave a 5 minute break in the timestamps next time.
Because timestamps do not lie!
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #144
146. restaraunt next door
try again!
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #146
151. Great, take a pic and post it!
Then we'll all be convinced that you managed to shut down or hibernate your system, walk out of the office, walk into a nearby restaurant, be seated, order, re-open your laptop, re-establish WiFi, load DU, and post...all nearly instantaneously!

If you can do that, I think the folks at the Large Hadron Collider would like to talk to you about the possibilities of FTL travel.

:hi:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #137
141. Out to lunch.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:32 PM
Response to Reply #135
159. I amazed you haven't been called
I amazed you haven't been called 'crass', 'callous', 'rude', 'uncivil', or... wait, I bet you have.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #135
163. Well, you have been called an asshole. Not much difference between the two, really.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #47
160. A trade? working for Asshole Inc., Mr. Pink?
Edited on Thu Jul-03-08 04:40 PM by gatorboy


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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #160
164. youre exactly right
we'll be over saturday between 11am and 8 pm to get your head out of yours.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #164
166. Those are pretty lousy hours.
You should learn a real trade there, Mr. Pink! :P
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #47
180. You are a condescending douchewipe
I have nothing but disgust and contempt for people who don't respect the working class. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on you black-hearted tiny-dicked Republican piece of shit.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #180
185. have a nice day
maybe you should try and relax after work, you seem tense.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #47
199. Very progressive attitude
"I learned a trade so I'm better than you."

I think you're on the wrong website.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #199
204. actually
i said i had learned a trade and suggested that if waitstaff arent happy with what they are doing they could do the same, but by all means deliberately misinterpret me and pile on. the more the merrier!
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #204
207. "i made sure to learn a trade, maybe you waitstaff should try that."
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #207
211. yep thanks
it was my post, i remember it well.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #211
217. BS, the one I replied to says otherwise. Here, to compare...
"i said i had learned a trade and suggested that if waitstaff arent happy with what they are doing they could do the same"

"i made sure to learn a trade, maybe you waitstaff should try that."
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #217
220. im sorry you dont understand
perhaps your anger with me has momentarily blinded your obviously brilliant intellect.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #220
224. I copy/paste your 2 quotes and you say I don't understand.
They are your 2 quotes, directly copy/pasted, showing similar but different things. Very Orwellian of you.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #13
66. I can tell you've never been in the..
restaurant business. Those waitstaff are actually working for a living. Not only is it impossible to hold on to staff that doesn't make money, but if the staff isn't making money neither is the restaurant. If you want to hang out and bullshit go to a bar or stay home.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #13
69. Great attitude to have about people who handle your food.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #69
81. What did you do to the tomato bisque? I'm staying far away from the meringue.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #81
83. Your salad sir, with fresh Ranch dressing.
Bon apetite!
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #83
85. Please don't let it be a tossed salad...please don't let it be a tossed salad.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:24 PM
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92. There is something remarkably tossed about it.
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CBGLuthier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:43 PM
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119. Wow
I am stunned at the sheer inanity of this comment. I would expect some fool like Barbara Bush to make a comment like that but not anyone around here.

You do understand that if one group takes a table all night they are hurting the "waitstaffs" earnings don't you? Or is that concept beyond your "beautiful mind."
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #119
122. am i supposed to have that uppermost in my mind?
"oh jeez i better bolt this food down so i can hurry up and leave, never mind how much its costing me, that poor waitperson isnt making any money"

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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #122
124. No, just quit being an asshole towards working people.
Edited on Thu Jul-03-08 03:49 PM by uppityperson
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #124
128. yes
because i dont appreciate being rushed out by pushy waitstaff, im an asshole to working people.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #128
130. No. Because you denigrate waiters as a group. That makes you an asshole.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:55 PM
Response to Reply #130
131. actually i said waitstaff
that includes waiters AND waitresses. ;)
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #131
138. So? Doesn't make you any less assholish.
I use the term as a generic, rather than separating by chromosomes. Rather like asshole is generic.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #138
140. im actually trying to be MORE assholish
thanks for your concern!
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #140
173. I don't think that's possible. n/t
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #173
175. sure it is
try me.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #175
177. I have no desire to "try" you, but why don't you show us?
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #177
179. considering the number of times
you kind empathetic loving democrats have called me an asshole in this thread, i assumed i had already done that.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #179
181. "try me", show us. "I already did".
Edited on Thu Jul-03-08 04:57 PM by uppityperson
Nope, you said you could be more. Prove or shut up. Chicken.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #181
183. im not going to "shut up"
whats with the urge to censor me? sorry you cant handle opinions different from your own.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #183
187. You're not going to prove up either, are you? "try me". OK, show us.
chicken. If you can't do what you say you can, you are either lying or censoring yourself.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #187
190. chicken?
hahaha what is this 3rd grade?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #190
192. Still won't, or can't prove what you said.
Edited on Thu Jul-03-08 05:04 PM by uppityperson
1) you can't, you were lying
2) you won't, you are chicken

"sure it is. try me."
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #192
193. seriously bud
do you think im lying about my ability to be a bigger asshole? your chicken remarks are lame and undeserving of a response.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #193
195. "bud"? And yes, I do. And yet you can't help yourself and respond.
sad
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #128
169. You're being an asshole, period.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #169
172. another exemplary progressive
calling names from the safety of the mob, good thing you could clearly see which way opinion was going on this, you might have had to figure it out for yourself and been unable to say anything for fear of offending the group.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #172
240. Seek help. You have severe persecution & aggression issues.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #13
156. I imagine most people complain and vent concerning our jobs
And it seems waitstaff have indeed "gotten over" themselves, do the job, do it well, and then, after the shift is over complain to friends or an online community about it.

I imagine most people complain and vent concerning our jobs. I certainly do-- yet I still do my job well. The two are not exclusive. Maybe you're unique and have never complained about your job. Yet I find this much more likely-- you have complained about your job, but justify to yourself why your complaints are righteous and moral while the OP's complaints are not. I'd presume it's nothing more than six of one and half a dozen of the other.

Having said that, I see no problems at all about customers of any establishment being held to a little peer pressure to act in a civilized manner.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #13
162. Not if it's just an appetizer and water. It's not like they are ordering four-course meals.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #162
170. shh, be nice, you're talking to a former cook, may have cooked that water.
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #13
191. So Howardx, do you enjoy ingesting body fluids and dirt?
Edited on Thu Jul-03-08 05:03 PM by Neo
Because i'm sure you've been served it unknowingly in restaurants. Never piss off people who handle your food.
oh, and you're an asshole and you should kill yourself.

have a nice day.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #191
198. gosh
thanks for the advice! i hadnt thought of that! youre a real lifesaver! boy i really see the light now!
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #198
206. I doubt you've seen any light in years
social retards prefer the solitude of their parents' basement
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #206
210. oh the old "parent basement" insult
you forgot to mention cheetos and the fact that im in my pajamas.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #9
12. I see you've never waited tables
Campers suck. Waiting tables is hard work, and sometimes you hardly make anything at all because of shitty customers who sit around all day and don't tip when they leave.

Waiters don't make a livable wage almost anywhere in the country. They live off of tips. Camp all you want but pay rent for the space.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #12
16. ive never waited tables
i was a cook, i did the real work in a restaurant.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #16
20. Heh you've definately never waited tables n/t
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #20
29. because
carrying food out to people and doing a little cleaning is such hard work.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #29
48. It's easy to see why someone with such great social skills and empathy...
Edited on Thu Jul-03-08 02:58 PM by Blue Belle
was tucked away back in the kitchen. I bet you were really nice to the servers too and loved it when an item was brought back because the meat wasn't cooked enough or they wanted greener lettuce on their hamburger.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:58 PM
Response to Reply #48
49. why should i waste social skills
on a bunch of whiners?
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #49
51. Work the front lines with grouchy customers...
with screaming kids who trash your tables and change thier order 20 times then get back to me on how hard it is. You wouldn't last ten minutes.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #51
55. maybe chuckie cheese isnt right for you
perhaps another situation is in order.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #55
95. Perhaps you're right...
just because it works for you doesn't necessarily mean it's a perfect fit for me.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #16
25. Gee, there's a surprise. nt
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:50 PM
Response to Reply #16
31. "i did the real work in a restaurant"
Wow, how really pretentious of you.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. thanks
good to find out that apparently every asshole on du is a waiter/waitress.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #34
45. Never been a waiter
and I am only an asshole when another person is being one. You think that the cook is the only important job in a restaurant? Maybe you would have liked to deliver that food after you cooked it.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #34
57. I thought you said you'd never waited tables
:shrug:
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Madrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #34
59. Nope.
Some of them were cooks!
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #34
107. Not every. Obviously. nt
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:32 PM
Response to Reply #31
158. Thats code for pot scrubber
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #158
168. youre not denigrating dishwashing are you?
im sure youre not, that would be being an asshole to working folks!
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:52 PM
Response to Reply #16
35. Putting french fries in the fryer and pulling them up when the beeper goes off isn't cooking.
Although that would explain why you don't understand the concept of waiting tables.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #35
38. you know all about me eh?
you dont know shit.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #38
43. You squirted mayonnaise out of a gun.
I can read you like a book, kid.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #43
62. really
because from here you seem illiterate.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #62
70. And you seem like you just got pwned by the 'hooligan, French Fry Boy. nt
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #70
74. pwned?
did i also "epic fail" nice lingo jerky.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #74
80. Thanks, Ronald McDonald. nt
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #80
82. im guessing
you rarely have original thoughts and quite often just tag along with what someone else has said.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #82
86. And I'm guessing that you're in a bad mood because the shake machine jammed up again.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #86
89. yes im on the internet
while working at mcdonalds today, get a grip.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #89
96. Good point. Did the manager send you home early because of your bad 'tude? nt
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #86
93. Yeah, c'mon. Get a grip.
He says he "was" a "cook."

McDonalds has at least some standards.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #93
97. And just between you and me, there's nothing wrong with working at McDonalds
Only people like Howie get upset at the suggestion that they work(ed) there.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #97
101. im not upset
i couldnt care less what any of you thinks about me.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #101
103. Then why make things up about being a cook?
You ain't gotta lie to kick it.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #103
110. how have you arrived at that conclusion?
my first job was as a cook, unlike a lot of you i figured out then food service work wasnt for me.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #110
112. Your disdain with the wait staff.
Any real cook would reserve their disdain for customers.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #112
114. oh ok sherlock
nice deduction work there.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #110
117. Gee, I can't imagine why, esp with a Top Wonderful job like Cook
not merely an underling like a waiter. How long did you last before being fired?
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #101
106. Are too.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #93
98. well im off to go eat lunch
where in honor of this thread and all you whiners i will order fries and a water and hang around for 3 hours.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #98
99. That's fantastic.
Please, make it longer.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #99
102. just for you, i'll do that
and you can sit here and think about how its your fault the poor waitperson isnt making any money.
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Sheets of Easter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #98
104. Here's hoping you don't choke to death on the lemon wedge!
:toast:
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #104
111. thanks!
heres hoping you dont have an aneurysm trying to think of scathing insults
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #104
133. Here's hoping he finds a well-deserved surprise in his fry sauce...
Edited on Thu Jul-03-08 03:57 PM by Blue Belle
:)
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #133
143. youre very progressive arent you
we disagree so you hope i get poisoned. lovely!
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #143
213. who said anything about being poisoned?
project much?
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #213
216. what would the well deserved surprise be then?
enlighten me
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #216
223. You don't need me to enlighten you...
Edited on Thu Jul-03-08 05:26 PM by Blue Belle
I'm sure whomever gets the pleasure of waiting on you will do it for me.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #223
231. sure i do
cmon spell it out for me, im slow. if you didnt mean poisoning, what exactly did you mean?
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #35
40. Nice!
:rofl:
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #16
58. I'm guessing you didn't get tipped out
otherwise you would have a direct interest in how much that wait staff was able to earn in tips.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #58
67. youre guessing wrong.
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #67
108. your attitude is a bit surpising then
Edited on Thu Jul-03-08 03:35 PM by Clovis Sangrail
I worked as a bartender and how much I got tipped out from the wait staff was more than trivial.
The more they made the more I made.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #16
84. LOL. NOW I get it.
Every cook I ever worked with was an asshole.

You fit right in.

I've worked from truck stops to 5 star restaurants, and it's always the same. And the cooks ALWAYS hate the waitstaff. Probably because they keep bringing the food back from the floor saying "They don't like this."

Prima donnas.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #84
94. having to deal with whiny waitstaff does that.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #84
100. Yep.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #16
105. Bwahahahahaha! Oh you slay me. I thought you were series!
"Was", got it. With people skills like you have, "was" makes sense.
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CBGLuthier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #16
120. OK, now you are just
being stupid.
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #16
134. Whoa dude, that is out of line
You stood behind the stove and grill. The wait staff ran back and forth at least 4 times per table served, First to take orders and serve drinks, second to serve soups, salads, appetizers, third to serve the entrees, and fourth to clear table and ask if the customers needed anything more. That is not to mention the little runs back and forth because the customer just had to have "Choulula" instead of "Tabasco"

:eyes:

I can tell you have absolutely no capacity for empathy and I am so done with you.

(red minus sign) CLICK
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #9
68. did you read the post?
It's not about people who linger after a meal - it's about people who think the place is a European sidewalk cafe where they can just sit down and hold the space indefinitely without compensation.

You, apparently, have never depended on tips for your income.
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Magrittes Pipe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #9
121. I've never waited a table in my life.
And yet I still know that you're an arrogant, selfish, bigoted (yes, looking down on people who have a job you think is "not real work" is bigotry) asshole.

I sincerely hope that some day you find yourself waiting tables. The way this economy is going, this "trade" you're so proud of may well end up giving you nothing. And on that day, I hope the campers at your table tip you for shit.

Fucker.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #121
125. it feels good doesnt it?
being able to insult someone from the safety of the mob, hope i made your day!
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #125
127. You are the Master.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:39 PM
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11. It's up to MANAGEMENT to do something about it.
And how do you know that these people only *camp*? They may come in earlier in the day and order full meals - or they may even bring parties from their business when you are not around.

Having both waited tables and been management as well, it sounds as if you might want to look for a different restaurant, or perhaps get out of waiting tables altogether. No offense, but waiters/waitresses suffer from burnout. And no, it's not just people who *don't* work in the field who do it.

Did you ever think that your *aversion* to campers might just be WHY they don't tip well? Customers do pick up on rising snark levels in the wait staff, and tip accordingly. :eyes:
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:54 PM
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41. Maybe its the economy, or maybe people are too stingy to tip.
Either way, loitering is loitering.

Did you ever think that your *aversion* to campers might just be WHY they don't tip well? Customers do pick up on rising snark levels in the wait staff, and tip accordingly.
Or perhaps the customer didn't consider the rising cost of every-fucking-thing and figured the waitress would still be okay with a $1 tip like she was last year.

When management doesn't do their job, the employees suffer. Maybe instead of her getting another job the management should get off their asses and do theirs, or maybe they should get another job.

Of course, since there are no jobs, maybe the customers should show a little consideration for people in the service industry.

Times are tough for everyone, don't take it out on the people serving you your food.

I have a rule of thumb: if I cannot afford at least a $7.00 tip minimum, then we don't go out to eat.


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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #41
79. I tip 15 - 20%... more if I'm treated well...
When I'm rushed out, that goes waaaaay down. And I don't come back.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:36 PM
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109. I used to conditionally tip, but found...
Edited on Thu Jul-03-08 03:38 PM by ColbertWatcher
...that service is never really that bad to warrant no tip.

Many years ago, I used to work in an office and the old timers would order pizza from some place down the street and they would go through this procedure where they would weigh the service against some standard and then calculate a tip.

When I started working there, I tipped $5.00 regardless. The guys were shocked and protested, "Why are you doing that, ColbertWatcher!?"

I explained to them that after doing it my way for a few times, the drivers would fight each other and race to our shop to get the guaranteed $5.

And sure enough, every time I ordered, the pizza was delivered in less time than when any of the other guys ordered, and I got napkins, plates, packets of cheese and peppers, the whole nine yards.

I expect good service; I tip expecting good service.

I might not get EXCELLENT service the first time, but I can guarantee you I get it every time afterwards.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:13 PM
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148. I think you misunderstand...
I will always tip. If waitstaff is rude, including giving me the bum's rush, I tip a minimum. If they are gracious and helpful, they get the top amount. I won't return to an establishment that has rude waitstaff.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:20 PM
Response to Reply #109
215. You are SO Right
My first job in high school was as a pizza delivery driver. Drivers quickly memorized the repeat customers who were good tippers and you can believe those pies always arrived piping hot with extra everything. We also quickly memorized all the frequent no-tippers and their pies arrived when it was convenient for us to get them there, although they often had "extra" stuff too...
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #79
118. Yes... but everyone's version of being treated well is different.
Edited on Thu Jul-03-08 04:05 PM by Blue Belle
Some people want you to be asking them if everything is okay every few minutes. Seriously. I could usualy tell the tables that wanted to be left alone, and I would let them linger, but then there are the other guests who need to have you running back and forth for them to feel you earned your tip. Most of the time, the campers fall into that catagory. There's a difference between lingering over the meal and setting up camp.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #118
150. If I have six people... and I'm spending $100+
And I'm being rushed out while three of us are still chewing... that is fucked up service.

I'm not a hard ass... I don't care if they are checking back all the time, as long as they come when I wave, or at least acknowledge the wave and get there when they can.

If they roll their eyes or act in any other way that they are annoyed by having to do their basic job, that's rude.

If I'm spending a lot of money entertaining, I expect to be able to stay until we are ready to go.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:24 PM
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221. I can understand that...
Being rushed is fucked up service and most servers don't mind when you linger. They do mind when when your table of six is splitting and appitizer and screaming for more water for the next three hours when a server walks by. Like I said, there's a difference between lingering after a meal and camping.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:16 PM
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77. Hear, hear!!!
I just said the same thing, but not quite so well.

I'm a good tipper... if I'm not rushed... I've been given the bum's rush after spending $100+ and still chewing.

Not only did I NOT tip but a couple of bucks, but I never went back.

When I dine out, part of what I'm paying for is service. I can cook really well myself! And I always get my fucking order right too!


:rofl:
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:42 PM
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14. Okay, I'll be the lone dissenter on this issue
It sucks for wait staff because they are not payed a reasonable wage with the excuse that they make tips. Wait staff, like all other laborers should be paid a living wage.

I have worked for tips (therefore I tip well when I go out :)), but I am also a consumer. One of the main reasons for me to spend more money on a meal or drinks out is to be social, to linger over the food/drinks and enjoy the company and atmosphere--it is also how many other cultures/countries socialize.

Now I do tip well, but if I feel attitude from wait staff that they want me to vacate so they can turn the table to make more tips, that negatively effects the amount of tip I end up leaving.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:50 PM
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30. I'm with you-- wait staff should be paid a living wage...
Edited on Thu Jul-03-08 02:50 PM by mike_c
...and folks should be able to enjoy the social aspects of gathering in a restaurant or a cafe without being expected to eat a large meal or drink lots of booze if the management is willing to let them do it. I think it should be a management issue primarily-- if the house is willing to provide a money losing table to keep its customers happy then that should not affect the wait staff unless they're partners in setting that policy.
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yellowdogintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #14
129. big difference between having a meal w/ friends lingering over coffee
and desserts and maybe extra drinks....

and having an appetizer and a glass of water and reading a book for a couple of hours, or doing computer work on the laptop.

That truly is more appropriate for Starbucks or other coffehouse type places where you are just supposed to be hanging out than for a dinner establishment.

To be fair I have taken the light snack and book route when I am caught with some time to kill between appointments or something. But I wouldn't dream of doing it during peak hours because another customer may need that table, and I sure wouldn't short the waitress on the tip anyway. I have also been with friends when we really wanted to hang out and gab all evening but the place was so busy we didn't want to hog the table so we ordered, ate and left. Did our gabbing elsewhere.

Regarding the bringing of the check, I don't care when it comes. If it comes with the food, I can go ahead and pay then leave when I am finished. Particulary handy if I am on a tight schedule, or the place is getting busy because I don't have to find my server to get the check. I don't feel pressured to leave in any way just because the check has come. In fact I will usually ask for it for just those reasons.

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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:43 PM
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15. i understand what you are saying
but this is usually the case when places have outdoor tables in the summer...

don't worry; if i stop by, i'll give you a tip! :)
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:44 PM
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17. I have done the same thing
sometimes, but mostly when the restaurant isn't overcrowded, and there is little to no demand for the table. And I would never do it in any fancier restaurants, just the equivalent of fast food ones, like Friendly's, Papa Ginos or their like (West Coasters read Coco's, Carrow's, El Pollo Loco)

I know it can be annoying, but I have physical limitations, and can't walk very much, very far, and often times, it's all I can do is sit until I've collected myself. Other times, I might stay longer waiting for someone to come. And I have to sit in a chair because I would need strong arms and lots of them to get up from a lower position!

If you are having problems with such people who are hogging a table and there are customers waiting, I would suggest telling your manager, and having someone higher up the food chain to ask the people to move on because someone is waiting. A gentle hint might be all they need--some people are so into their conversations and discussions that they are oblivious to the needs of others around them.

I have also found from my own going out that sometimes I wait forever for a bill, and somehow get ignored for the longest time. I do need to make note that I always leave a good tip (at least 15%, or 20% or more if I felt the service warranted it) and will quite often have both an appetizer and a dessert (there are always a couple of us).

That's my spin on the subject!
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Retrograde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:23 PM
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154. so have I
once at a lunch with co-workers that turned into a productive work session: we asked the manager if we could stay, and he agreed. Ended up there for over 3 hours - and left a good tip (this was an all-women group, BTW)

It depends on the place: if it's crowded, and it's prime meal time, I don't hog the space. If it's past the rush or the place isn't full, I may linger if I feel like it. If the staff is putting up the chairs it's definitely time to leave!

I've never been a waiter. It's hard work, being on your feet constantly, carrying -and not dropping - loads of food and drink, clearing tables, dealing with picky customers, and should be paid accordingly. I like the French idea of service comprise: tips are included in the price of the food. I typically tip 15-20%: the service has to be spectacularly bad for me to leave less than 15%.

I also try to tell the management about particularly good service or food.

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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:44 PM
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18. I've camped before
One of the things that I noticed after returning from trips to Italy and Mexico a couple of years ago was how anxious staff were to get us out of the restaurant when we finished our meal, sometimes to a degree that was rather off-putting, even though we hadn't been hanging around for long after our meal. It's quite different in Italy, where you might have to work hard just to get the waiter to bring your check, and if you aren't assertive about it you could easily sit around for a couple of hours, because they're in no hurry to get rid of you.

I'll admit to having camped in restaurants before, but never when the restaurant was crowded, so I don't think I was really costing anybody money. If there are people waiting for a table (or even if the place were close to full) I wouldn't do that, and I tend to increase my tip for the extra time.

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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #18
37. Yeah the main difference is that waiters are paid a living wage in those countries n/t
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:01 PM
Original message
yep n/t
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #18
73. and that is perfectly acceptable..
unless you're one of those hateful latefuls. The kind that walks in the door one minute before closing, and stays there for hours.
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Phentex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:39 PM
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113. I would say it depends also.
I would not purposely camp if I knew people were waiting for a table. However, I'd stay a little longer after a big meal if I wanted to have coffee and dessert and talk. And I'd tip well for good service and for taking my time.

I hate being rushed in a place where it's not necessary. We were out once and planned to have dessert but the waiter was super pushy and ended up bringing us the tab before we could even ask for a dessert menu. I think he was new.

We took the kids out for dessert once at a regular restaurant and we told them up front we weren't ordering dinner. The guy was quick, but friendly and not pushy at all. He got an extra tip!
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:41 PM
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165. Yeah, but in Italy or France,it's different.
Most of those four-hour meals consist of several courses...not an appetizer and water.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:08 PM
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196. even if you just order an entree you can pretty much hang out as long as you want
or longer than you want, if you're too shy to ask for the check a few times :)

As for folks here in the states ordering appetizers and water and then hanging out for hours while it's at all busy--I can certainly understand why that would be irritating to the staff ...
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:47 PM
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23. I've waited tables and campers suck...
They usually have you running to get them more water during a rush too and usually the first to bitch about the food/service no matter how good you are to them. Some people are just oblivious to anything that they are doing. I hope that in the next life they are forced to wait tables.
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Ayesha Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:53 PM
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39. Mixed feelings
If I order a meal, I don't appreciate being rushed through and pushed to leave. I'm not a lingerer, though, except when dining with friends or family from out of town. If there are tables available, I don't think it's appropriate to push people out. However, when a restaurant is busy and people are waiting to be seated, it's common courtesy to not sit around after finishing a meal.

I always tip well, except when the service is extremely awful. I never penalize the server if the problem was due to kitchen staff...in fact I'll give them an extra tip if they handle the situation well. My mom waited tables as a young adult to get through college and save to travel to Europe, and she impressed upon me what a difficult job it is. I always treat restaurant workers with respect, and smile and say hello to busboys etc. who often go unnoticed.

Oh and remember that you never know who it is that's serving your food. I'm pretty sure that the singer Patty Griffin was my waitress at a Pizzeria Uno in 1994. Back then she was singing for tips in Harvard Square; now she's a famous musician and songwriter. Your server could be a future movie star, Senator, or the doctor that cures your cancer. Or s/he may be a hard-working teacher like the OP, just trying to make ends meet. In any case, they deserve your kindness and respect.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:54 PM
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42. Most of the restaurants I worked at had subtle and not so subtle ways of getting customers
out when they had overstayed their welcome. Water drinkers and snackers were not seated during rush hours unless some of the people in their party were actually eating meals. Asking them if they wanted the lunch menu usually weeded them out. " Sorry, but only people who will be ordering lunch will be seated during the busy hours." Presenting the bill and clearing the table after they have eaten usually does the trick to move people along, but some just have to be asked to leave when they are done. Also, asking them to go to the bar, if your restaurant has a bar, clears them out of the dining room. Campers know which restaurants will tolerate them and which won't. Establishing yourself as not tolerating this, will keep them out of your restaurant altogether. I don't think you will miss their business.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:55 PM
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46. Some restaurants have a time limit on tables or
require meals to be ordered in the dining room.. Appetizers-only people must sit in the bar..
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 02:58 PM
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50. Often in Europe, people sit for hours with just coffee and a pastry
Edited on Thu Jul-03-08 02:59 PM by Fuzz
or at least they used to.

My grandmother and great-aunts were featured in a picture book of Stuttgart in a cafe where they would go every Wednesday, sat at the same table, for over 40 maybe 50 years. My father has the little reservation sign they would put on the table for them. They would just sit and have coffee and talk for hours. I remember doing that as a child, minus the coffee. :)

Edit

I guess I'm saying don't stay too long, tip well, and over all, relax a bit more.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:01 PM
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52. 40 to 50 years! Now that's camping! n/t
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:04 PM
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56. Heh, tell me about it!
I guess my grammar was off there? ;)
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:07 PM
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63. HEY! Can I be a smart ass for once without someone pointing it out!?
:P
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:11 PM
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72. Yes, this European habit is far better for all, imho
I used to frequent a family operated pub in Orange, CA. We'd roll in with half a dozen or so people, eat a few brats, drink a few pitchers of ale... the proprietors treated us like family, and we were never rushed, regardless of how much or how little we'd eat. We were usually there for three or four hours before heading to the next pub. It was a full Saturday affair.

And they knew they would see us again, and again... some people in our group were such regulars that they had personal beer mugs on the shelves behind the bar.

The proprietors were more concerned about giving us good service, making sure we had a good time (probably for the return service, but gee, it sure was nice) and made sure they greeted us coming and going.

The only reason I'm not still doing that is because the older gentleman, the original family owner, broke a hip and had to slow down. This was last summer, I believe.

I think rushing people out is rude as hell. I've spent $100's on meals and have been rushed anyway. Sucks.

Yes, there are two sides to this tarnished penny. No question.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:42 PM
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167. Not in a restaurant. In a cafe, sure, but not a restaurant. They order multi-course meals.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:13 PM
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205. Not necessarily.
I grew up in Bavaria. it was very common to visit the local restaurant (which can be very fancy), order a beer every 1/2 hour or so and just chill the fuck out. No rush, no nasty body language, no rude waitstaff.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:06 PM
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60. If people are waiting for the table..
they need to be told. Do you have a bar they can move to? I used to work at a jazz club where we had minimums at the tables. You didn't have to buy, but you had to pay regardless.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:13 PM
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75. I've done it for work-related meetings, but
I stay conscious of how much time we're taking, and I tip extra to make up for the money he/she has lost to my party. They probably do less work and have less hassle, but they still need that total amount for turning that table two or three times.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:14 PM
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76. My wife did. Passively aggressively make them uncomfortable.
Take them things constantly. Place menus in front of them. Repeatedly ask them if they need...and use this language...."anything else?" That signals that they ARE done.

They are stupid and need to be given an opinion/answer/what they are in the mood for by you.

Let them sit happily for the first 30 minutes or so---comfortably able to talk, and finish what they ordered. Hell, give them 10 minutes to enjoy the "afterglow."

Then start moving them out the door. Passively aggressively let them know that their time is up.

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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:08 PM
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142. I would indeed be done if I were treated this way
I would never return to a restaurant that treated me in the way that you described--and I would make sure that the owner/manager knew why they lost my busine$$.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:21 PM
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153. Yes.
That sounds downright pushy. Perhaps the guests are in the midst of a suddenly important conversation - who knows?

I understand people who haven't really ordered anything - that's also rude: if you've come to a restaurant, you've come to eat, right?

But if I'm there to eat, give me time to order, then give me time to relax over my meal and perhaps even for a bit afterwards. How the waitstaff can help? Be available and attentive if you see something is needed. Bring the check when asked. And then come back for it!

That said, with kids, we rarely do anything but come in, eat and get out. Faster diners in the place, usually. And often the best tippers, especially at our regular places.

Maybe someone can answer this one: often, we'll get the check and then either wait for days for someone to come and collect it, or wait for days for someone to come back with our card or change. Drives you crazy, especially when you can see the place has people waiting to be seated! Um, we're done, you can get rid of us now, just bring back the darned card/change!
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:09 PM
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201. what? By great service?
By your server paying attention to you and asking you if you need anything else?

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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:41 PM
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115. Unless I see a line forming, I don't think it's wrong to camp.
I paid, there are empty tables for more customers, and where the hell else am I supposed to conduct business? If Burger King lets me sit around and make deals for buying $3 worth of stuff, my $10 plus $2 tip ought to merit similar consideration. If I see I'm preventing other customers from being served though, I know it's time to move on.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:41 PM
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116. I just remebered the only thing worse than campers are Euros
They camp, and often don't leave ANY tip!
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 03:47 PM
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123. they never seemed to bother me all that much when i waited tables...
except for the ones that lingered long after all the other customers were gone, and you just wanted to close up and go home.

what REALLY cheesed me off were the people who'd come in two minutes before the kitchen closed, and want to order a full meal- and then linger over it in an otherwise empty dining room.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:10 PM
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145. A lot of restaurants have a policy about this
You have to spend a certain amount per hour.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:12 PM
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147. SOUNDS LIKE WATERS NEED TO GET COLLAGE AND A SKILL!!!11111
SERIES!!!1111
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:14 PM
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149. there it is!
because we all know that anyone who doesnt agree with du groupthink MUST be a freeper.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #149
152. YOUR RITE!!1111 THEY NEED TO TAKE PERSONILE RESPONSTIBILITY!!11111
IT'S OFFICAL!!!1111
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #152
171. you should take personal responsibility
and make up something original, mocking freeper talk was old in 05.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #171
174. maybe to you
but it's unending font of humor to many people.

kthxbai
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #174
176. Perhaps only to we uneducated types without Real Jobs.
Not to our Superiors?
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:53 PM
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178. especially people with a "trade"
yeah, that's the ticket
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #178
182. its a ticket
out of being stuck in a dead end job you hate.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:57 PM
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184. i haul ass and get paid steinmetz
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:00 PM
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188. thats nice
you should use that money to buy some original material
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #188
194. maybe i could use some and chip in on a sense of humor for ya
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #188
203. So what do you do for a living?
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #203
208. i work with homeless people
helping them get jobs and apartments and get back on their feet.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:19 PM
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212. Sure you do honey, you have a "trade", unlike waitstaff!
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:22 PM
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218. yep
went to school and learned a trade, good to see your reading comprehension is a-ok.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #218
222. Yep, more unproven claims.
You claim all sorts of things.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:27 PM
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226. im sorry guy
perhaps after you give me all your personal information i would be more willing to share mine.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:29 PM
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228. "guy". Sure thing hon. After all, you have proven yourself trustworthy here.
Why not.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:23 PM
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219. Lol.
C'mon man, seriously. You've braved the thread this long. What do you really do. Are are you just a kid out for the Summer?
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #219
225. im 44 years old
and i work for my local county helping homeless people. believe it or not.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #225
227. Sure you are hon. And you could be more of an asshole.
And you complain when I copy/paste your posts that I don't understand. OK hon.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #225
229. You have the punctuation of a kid.
Obviously, you don't tutor the homeless.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:32 PM
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230. Aw, come on.He's saving the Caps and apostrophes for the homeless.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:35 PM
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232. oh man what a sidesplitter
i bet all your pals tell you you should do stand up.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:39 PM
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235. No, they tell me I should learn a trade.
"i said i had learned a trade and suggested that if waitstaff arent happy with what they are doing they could do the same"

"i made sure to learn a trade, maybe you waitstaff should try that."
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #235
238. Did he split?
Guess it was past his bedtime...
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #230
233. Now that's worth TWO Duzies.
Edited on Thu Jul-03-08 05:39 PM by gatorboy
Did I ever tell you you're my hero? :rofl:
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:23 PM
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155. I'm voting this as the thread most likely to get locked that you would never think award
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:59 PM
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186. When you make people feel at home, that draws other people.
And yes, I've waited tables.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:01 PM
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189. Campers Suck
As a former food service employee (manager and waiting tables), it sucks when people do that and shows they have no consideration for the wait-staff. Waitstaff are people doing a job, NOT servants.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:08 PM
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197. This thread continues to entertain!!!
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:10 PM
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202. It's very rude to people waiting to get seated too
Edited on Thu Jul-03-08 05:10 PM by Neo
I see it more often in metro cities where self absorbed yuppies like to camp and talk about themselves and be really condescending to the staff. They know there's people waiting and couldn't care less.
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:17 PM
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209. I don't see why it would be a problem if no one is waiting to be seated.
I've very frequently had the opposite experience, in which I'm ready to go, but the waiter/waitress takes forever to come pick up my credit card so I can pay and leave.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:19 PM
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214. I hate sitting in restaurants for longer than it takes me to eat!
I'm usually eating out, not for an experience, but to save time. I really appreciate it when the bill lands on my table while I'm still chewing my last bite.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:38 PM
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234. Turns out there actually is a Starbucks three blocks down!
BUT SOME think we're starbucks.....

not to mention a local coffee house even closer! (Yahoo! Maps is your friend.)

So NOW what's their excuse??!!
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:42 PM
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237. When I camp, I tip by the hour....
If I need a nice place to just hang out and visit for a few hours with a friend who is just passing through or something, I might camp out after the meal, but then I tell the waiter, and I tell them we won't need much attention from here on out, but I'll be tipping as if he had turned the table 3 times. At that point, they're happy to have me stay as long as I want.
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My Good Babushka Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 06:13 PM
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241. All this fighting with HowardX
is amusing to me. I don't even remember what his first incendiary comment was. But it's all too much.

I try to get in and out of restaurants as fast as I can because I have two small children and I care about the other diners. If I am on my own, though, I like to take my time and maybe have a cup of coffee or two at a leisurely pace. Actually, I rarely get to go out, and even a small meal out is a very special occassion to me. I would hate to be rushed.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 06:20 PM
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242. locking
This has no political content and has degraded into a flamefest.
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