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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 07:32 AM
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Reagan removed solar panels from White House
You can just about always count on a repug to do the wrong thing.
Did I just say "just about"?
:eyes:

White House Solar Panel Goes on Display at Carter Library
1979 Effort to Encourage Alternative Energy Sources Became Road Not Taken

Atlanta, GA. In June, 1979, President Jimmy Carter proposed a new solar strategy to move our
Nation toward true energy security and abundant, readily available energy supplies. In an effort to set an
example for the country, Carter had solar panels installed on the roof of the White House West Wing. The
panels were used to heat water for the staff mess and other areas of the White House.

At the time, President Carter warned a generation from now, this solar heater can either be a curiosity, a
museum piece, an example of a road not taken, or it can be a small part of one of the greatest and most
exciting adventures ever undertaken by the American people; harnessing the power of the Sun to enrich our
lives as we move away from our crippling dependence on foreign oil.


On Friday, March 30th, the White House solar panel will in fact become a museum piece at the Carter
Presidential Library and Museum. The solar panel will be a new addition to the museums section on
President Carters energy policies.
I think people will be surprised to learn how modern Carters statements on energy were when the
panels were put on the White House roof, Carter Library Director Jay Hakes said. It was clearly ahead of
its time.

The White House solar panels were a symbol of the Carter Administrations commitment to reduce
Americas dependence of foreign sources of energy, according to Hakes, who was the Administrator of the
Energy Information Administration at the U.S. Department of Energy during the Clinton presidency. Behind that
was a whole package of tax incentives, research and development and loans that made it much more than a
symbol, Hakes added. There was actually a very substantive attempt to move ahead the expanded use of solar
energy.

President Ronald Reagan took the solar panels down in 1986 when the White House roof was being
repaired.


President Carters goal of getting 20% of the nations energy needs from the Sun by the end of the
Twentieth Century remains unrealized. Today, only 6 % of the countrys energy requirements come from
renewable sources. Thats the same as it was when Carter entered the White House.

I think if you are looking for the one pivotal moment in the history of renewable energy in the United
States, this would probably be it, Hakes said. This new display may help people imagine that if the road
had been taken to use more renewables that the current problems of dependency on unreliable sources of
oil and climate change would probably be much less than they are today.
http://www.jimmycarterlibrary.org/newsreleases/2007/07-...
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 07:34 AM
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1. go over to E/E and tell me that there isn't some over there who wouldn't do the same thing
that is the scary part for me.
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 06:54 PM
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25. Some or one?
And I'm sure you know who I mean.
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 07:37 AM
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2. Reagan thought solar was 'voodoo' technology...
the only voodoo he believed in was voodoo economics...
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 07:38 AM
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The bastard dismantled more than the solar panels that
Pres Carter put up. He dismantled the middle class and labor among many other things.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 07:38 AM
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3. Carter was ahead of his time.
If the Iranian hostage situation hadn't happened, I wonder what this country would look like now.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 01:02 AM
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27. Carter might've won that one, if Reagan's goons hadn't promised Iran missiles to stall
the hostage release

There really isn't any other good explanation for the facts: Carter negotiated constantly, all the hostages survived, the release occurred while Reagan was swearing his oath, and then Reagan sent Iran missiles
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 07:41 AM
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4. Ronnie and his blushing bride trusted the stars more than the Sun.
:eyes:
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 10:39 AM
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11. If only Nancy's astrologer had said solar panels on a roof focused her readings.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 12:16 PM
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18. And that is the definition of irony
Why did the Reagans hate our star?
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 07:53 AM
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5. Carter was right 30 yrs ago.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 08:16 AM
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6. St. Ronnie
dismantled most of what was good and progressive in this country. A huge push for advancement in many things were stopped dead in their tracks.
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 08:20 AM
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7. Reagan removed DEMOCRACY from the White House.
:puke:
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 08:25 AM
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8. What a sad story.
Why do they hate science?
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 08:28 AM
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9. Regan probably thought they would attract signals from UFO's
or some similar crap. No wonder Repubs idolize him-he believed a lot of nonsense, loved his nuclear capability and was losing his mind.
See: McCain.

mark
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 09:14 AM
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10. The problem with the early solar panels was that they were so expensive that
they would wear out (especially in areas that freeze) before they reached economic payback./
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 12:14 PM
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15. Perhaps not much economic Payback on the White House But the symbolic payback would have been HUGE!
Edited on Wed Jul-02-08 12:14 PM by calipendence
It would have perhaps stimulated more investment into this at a time that we could have really limited a lot of the harmful effects that global warming have wrought since then.

And also note that when Bush took office he slashed the investment in solar and renewable energy programs by more than HALF (from $376 million to $186 million!). There's the cost of "oil men" in the White House! The SLIME! This was done at a time even when California was having its energy crisis!

http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=1045...
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 11:55 AM
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12. Jimmy Carter's The "Crisis of Confidence" Speech:
Good evening. This is a special night for me. Exactly three years ago, on July 15, 1976, I accepted the nomination of my party to run for president of the United States.

I promised you a president who is not isolated from the people, who feels your pain, and who shares your dreams and who draws his strength and his wisdom from you.

During the past three years I've spoken to you on many occasions about national concerns, the energy crisis, reorganizing the government, our nation's economy, and issues of war and especially peace. But over those years the subjects of the speeches, the talks, and the press conferences have become increasingly narrow, focused more and more on what the isolated world of Washington thinks is important. Gradually, you've heard more and more about what the government thinks or what the government should be doing and less and less about our nation's hopes, our dreams, and our vision of the future.

Ten days ago I had planned to speak to you again about a very important subject -- energy. For the fifth time I would have described the urgency of the problem and laid out a series of legislative recommendations to the Congress. But as I was preparing to speak, I began to ask myself the same question that I now know has been troubling many of you. Why have we not been able to get together as a nation to resolve our serious energy problem?

It's clear that the true problems of our Nation are much deeper -- deeper than gasoline lines or energy shortages, deeper even than inflation or recession. And I realize more than ever that as president I need your help. So I decided to reach out and listen to the voices of America.
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We were sure that ours was a nation of the ballot, not the bullet, until the murders of John Kennedy and Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr. We were taught that our armies were always invincible and our causes were always just, only to suffer the agony of Vietnam. We respected the presidency as a place of honor until the shock of Watergate.

We remember when the phrase "sound as a dollar" was an expression of absolute dependability, until ten years of inflation began to shrink our dollar and our savings. We believed that our nation's resources were limitless until 1973, when we had to face a growing dependence on foreign oil.

These wounds are still very deep. They have never been healed. Looking for a way out of this crisis, our people have turned to the Federal government and found it isolated from the mainstream of our nation's life. Washington, D.C., has become an island. The gap between our citizens and our government has never been so wide. The people are looking for honest answers, not easy answers; clear leadership, not false claims and evasiveness and politics as usual.

What you see too often in Washington and elsewhere around the country is a system of government that seems incapable of action. You see a Congress twisted and pulled in every direction by hundreds of well-financed and powerful special interests. You see every extreme position defended to the last vote, almost to the last breath by one unyielding group or another. You often see a balanced and a fair approach that demands sacrifice, a little sacrifice from everyone, abandoned like an orphan without support and without friends.

Often you see paralysis and stagnation and drift. You don't like it, and neither do I. What can we do?

First of all, we must face the truth, and then we can change our course. We simply must have faith in each other, faith in our ability to govern ourselves, and faith in the future of this nation. Restoring that faith and that confidence to America is now the most important task we face. It is a true challenge of this generation of Americans.
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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carter/filmmore/ps_crisis....

pnorman
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 11:56 AM
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13. K&R n/t
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 12:07 PM
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14. He was _such_ a poophead
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 12:15 PM
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16. He also eliminated all the tax credits and research funding grants.
In the late 1970s I lived in Michigan and there must have been 12 or 15 solar homes constructed or under construction in the rural western Michigan area.

I have been all over the country since and have never seen another. Some panels, yes, but no homes DESIGNED to benefit from solar energy.

I know of one geothermal house built in Ohio in the late 1990s.

Of course, this is purely anecdotal.
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dembotoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 12:15 PM
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17. we need to rehab the carter image
perhaps a button with his picture and the saying
"I told you we needed an energy policy you dumb ass"
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 12:21 PM
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19. Must've been a strong bloke at his age to take 'em down by himself...
:hide:

In seriousness, at least they were up for 7 years.

Pity about cutting funding to those programs... there's no reason why anyone would be hurt by implementing these alternate energy sources.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 01:01 PM
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20. I'm glad they'll be at Carter's library. Some should go to the Smithsonian, where more can see this
What Reagan did was a calculated act of contempt for Carter, imo. Who needs solar panels when you have the sunny optimism of Reagan's "Morning in America"?

Hekate

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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 01:30 PM
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21. But mCCain said Carter was a lousy President....
oooo I like the mCCain....like Carbon Copy....
lol
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 01:39 PM
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22. For what it's worth...
Edited on Wed Jul-02-08 01:40 PM by Terran
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/solar.renewables/page/prel...

Apparently renewables account for 7% as of 2006, up from 6% in Carter's time. :eyes:

Somewhat better: electricity generation is now up to 9% (also as of 2006). I'm betting it's increased since '06 because of the some recent new emphasis on wind power.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 01:44 PM
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23. I will never understand the "Saint Ronny" BS. He was deeply evil.
The solar panels were just one of many disgusting acts Reagan committed. Iran Contra was treason. "Ketchup is a vegetable." "Pine trees pollute." Reagan's era was the Evening of America. The light is growing dim indeed, and Reagan would be proud to see how far we've sunk.
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bigmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 06:48 PM
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24. I wish I remembered where I saw this.
I read this in the "living" section of a newspaper, I think in the early 90's. A U.S. science teacher was musing about those solar panels, and wondered if they might be surplus govt. equipment, and so available for use in his classroom. He traced them to a particular warehouse, they were govt. property, and he applied to use them. He got the use, but here's the kicker - the feds made him sign a non-disclosure agreement to not reveal where they came from! It seems they were embarassed by the misuse of taxpayer funds to remove the things from the White House roof. Nowadays I assume it would just be a state secret. :sarcasm:

Of course it makes no rational sense to remove them, once they're up, until they've at least paid for themselves. The initial cost is the major reason it's not a more popular solution, although the costs have come down significantly since the 70s.

Unfortunately, this is just from memory, but it was reported in the newspaper article as factual.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 07:10 PM
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26. I remember when Reagan had those panels taken down. I took it as a big "Fuck you!" to those of us
who wanted to see our country move toward a more ecologically sustainable way of life.

The Reagan era was when the course to destroy all hope and progress toward a humane future for common humanity was locked in.

He was an evil fuck surrounded by even more evil fucks.

sw
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 01:58 AM
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28. One of many
"Fuck You's" that started when he delayed his inaugural parade so he could fire the air traffic controllers instead of negotiating.
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 10:19 AM
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29. Jimmy Carter was the greatest recent president, not Reagan
his gentle demeanor was projected as weakness by the hawkish press. I remember noticing how his face was always lit in the most unflattering way on TV for his speeches, compared to the hollywood polished image that Reagan handlers pulled off. He was ruthlessly smeared and still is, because he is peaceful. He was a farmer, and loves the Earth and people.

Jimmy Carter's vision and policies would have reduced America's carbon footprint, and we would not be in the mess we are in now. He should get a lot more respect for his presidency and the work he does as an ex president!!
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